Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

Well lets see it. All I see is a couple of blurry photos of unidentified objects in the ocean that are yet to be retrieved. The press conference was just video footage of planes and boats looking helplessly into the vast ocean with lines like "we can only assume" sprayed around...

reply to post by CharlieSpeirs


I tend to agree. Who knows? Maybe this info will be retracted tomorrow. The zigzagging info about transponders, arcs, pings, and abrupt left "turns" puts this into the realm of an epic clusterfrak.

reply to post by DrHammondStoat


No doubt pal...
I'm not saying they're not being genuine...
Maybe they are!!!

I'm just suspicious & feel it's highly improbable that they're being as honest as they could be!

I go with instinct in times like this, so I won't give them the benefit of the doubt on this occasion!

Peace Dr!

reply to post by roadgravel


I've worked as an accountant, so my Mathematical skills are actually decent!

But you'd be right to assume it am no Data analysis expert!!!

I just don't see how that equates to my suspicions & opinion!

This is far from the whole story, even if they're being 100% genuine, so I hold my reservations until a later date!


Peace Road!

Wow, all you have to do on this site is scream conspiracy and reject the evidence and stars rain down on you

Sky just had INMARSAT on briefly and sanely outlining how they came to these new conclusions

reply to post by 2BORNought2B


My comment was in support that using information to find answers to a different problem then the original one might take time.

People who think instant results from satellites, sea searches, human behavior, cell phones in these situations should go work in those industries so if this happens again they can solve it in a couple of hours.

reply to post by CharlieSpeirs


I suppose we will have to see what evidence there is in the end. My feeling is that other countries have been holding back information that could have helped.

The Malaysians were left with some very scant 'clues' to work out where the plane was and everyone is pointing the finger at them (especially China!)

Peace to you Charlie!

reply to post by CharlieSpeirs


they sent a text message to all the families informing them that the plane went down in the Indian ocean.... my news was questioning that they would handle it like that instead of having a real person to talk to them

So I go to bed w/ the news China had spotted something, but 8-9 hours later there is confirmation that it ended in the Indian Ocean even though there has been no debris found... Curious...

I think once they realized the plane went back across Malaysia at such low altitudes(12k or below), they finally started to actually check cell phone & WiMax data for the first time in the investigation. They probably were able to see that phones and laptops tried to connect and they walked that trail back across the Malaysian peninsula and added it to the Southern ping data.

Just an idea though I don't know that to be true...

OatDelphi
So I go to bed w/ the news China had spotted something, but 8-9 hours later there is confirmation that it ended in the Indian Ocean even though there has been no debris found... Curious...

I think once they realized the plane went back across Malaysia at such low altitudes(12k or below), they finally started to actually check cell phone & WiMax data for the first time in the investigation. They probably were able to see that phones and laptops tried to connect and they walked that trail back across the Malaysian peninsula and added it to the Southern ping data.

Just an idea though I don't know that to be true...

There have been ships and planes in the area for days with the capability to look under the water...they probably have a good idea of what that debris is.

reply to post by DrHammondStoat


they are saying on the tv the objects are circular and rectangular....objects on and in the water....they have been dropping buoys in area to track the currents......they get waves up to 100 feet in that area

reply to post by research100


That's disgusting to be honest!
I feel for them families greatly!

Thanks for the update!

Peace Research!

reply to post by drwill


It's been confusing to say the least!

As with everything they've released it's more questions & less answers!
That theme has been consistent more than anything else!


Peace drwill!

This is what I don't get.... the plane has been missing for what? 2 weeks?
So they find a piece of wreckage but how do they know they know that's where it went down? That wreckage may have been drifting for 10 days or more... miles and miles.

There's a lot of odd things going on in this case.


Mostly technical issues regarding ACARS and transponders and location/flight path.


There will probably always be a lot of suspicion around this incident.

It stinks of the stinkiest fish you can imagine multiplied by a million !

reply to post by blupblup


that's what the tide current tracking buoys are for, they can use that info to back track

reply to post by CharlieSpeirs

I just don't see how that equates to my suspicions & opinion!

I was only about that using the data in a different way might take time. You being a money numbers person, think about how looking at those numbers and sources over time in a different way might lead to learning of fraud or a better way to make investments or utilize funds in business.

I doesn't explain how it began, just where it ended. The real question is of course why or how.

Here's a recent article trying to explain how Inmarsat approached tracking down the path of the missing aircraft:

LINK

..."Effectually we looked at the doppler effect, which is the change in frequency, due to the movement of a satellite in its orbit. What that then gave us was a predicted path for the northerly route and a predicted path the southerly route," explained Chris McLaughlin, senior vice president of external affairs at Inmarsat.
"What we discovered was a correlation with the southerly route and not with the northern route after the final turn that the aircraft made, so we could be as close to certain as anybody could be in that situation that it went south."
"Where we then went was to work out where the last ping was, knowing that the aircraft still had some fuel, but that it would have run out before the next automated ping. We don't know what speed the aircraft was flying at, but we assumed about 450 knots."...

This happened to today with another flight from Kuala Lumpur to China, not sure of the make of the airplane or if the issue is related?

RSOE EDIS

A Malaysia Airlines flight from Kuala Lumpur to Incheon Airport in Seoul was forced to make an emergency landing in Hong Kong last night after an electricity generator failed. Flight MH066 took off from the Malaysian capital at 11.37pm on Sunday and landed at Hong Kong airport at 2.53am Monday morning. Hong Kong's Civil Aviation Department confirmed the aircraft had experienced problems with its generator. A statement from Malaysia Airlines said: "Malaysia Airlines confirms that flight MH066 from Kuala Lumpur to Incheon on 23 March 2014 was diverted to Hong Kong due to an inoperative aircraft generator which supplies normal electrical power. "However electrical power continued to be supplied by the auxiliary power unit. The aircraft was then diverted to Hong Kong for rectification and landed uneventfully. "All 271 passengers from MH066 have been transferred on other carriers. "The return flight MH067 from Incheon to Kuala Lumpur is cancelled and passengers have been transferred on other carriers as well as subsequent Malaysia Airlines flight to Kuala Lumpur."

reply to post by roadgravel


Yeah that makes a lot of sense, I agree fully pal!
I'm not questioning the data itself, rather the way it's being presented to the masses & the timing of it all!!!
With that said I am being overly skeptical, as time passes and more details flood through I'll no doubt feel this conclusion is suitable!

Not to drift but I could start a few threads about NHS corruption & fraud with what I saw & analysed over the years!!!
I'll save that for another day I guess!!!


Peace Road!