Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

From Inmarsat

This information was relayed to Malaysian officials by 12 March, but Malaysia's government did not publicly acknowledge it until 15 March, according to the Wall Street Journal. Malaysia began to redirect the search effort that day, to focus on the areas the information described. However, some officials involved with the probe warned that the lost days and wasted resources could impede the investigation.

Malaysia, ego versus science. Ego won. Seems most of Malaysia search was lost days and wasted resources.

I imagine that there should be an inverse flight path that follows the equidistances from the satellite that goes along the northern corridor. Anyone see a mockup for that?


Edit, from CNN:
Experts said they weren't surprised by the news that the flight traveled along the southern track -- one of two possible paths revealed by satellite data last week. The possible northern track toward Pakistan would have been heavily monitored by radar. Pakistan had said it found no evidence of Flight 370 on its radar systems. "It was very difficult to believe that no watch captain" along the possible northern path "would've seen a burning or distressed aircraft in the sky during the course of their watch," said McLaughlin.

So in actuality, Inmarsat is saying that either it went straight to Pakistan or into the middle of the ocean, and are ruling out Pakistan because they say they didn't see it, and so it must have crashed because there's no landing strips in the middle of the ocean. Just seems odd that a week ago that US General Tom McInerney was certain it was there.

No explanation for why it would go there, or consideration for the fact that if a human was in control they'd much more likely be going in the Pakistan route. Simply, 'we were left with middle of ocean death, or path to Pakistan, and are ruling out the later because they said they didn't see it'.

ikonoklast
I'm sorry for the families to hear that Malaysia is officially announcing that the flight crashed in the Indian Ocean.

That sure leaves some unanswered questions. I haven't seen a good explanation (that doesn't include foul play) of how an airliner heads northeast from Kuala Lumpur towards Beijing, makes an unexpected turn to go west-northwest (possibly to try to make an emergency landing due to some on-board catastrophe and possibly programmed on autopilot) but then winds up allegedly crashing into the Indian Ocean west-southwest of Perth, Australia.

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Exactly how utterly bizarre is that, if they were attempting to land after an emergency how in heavens name does it end up 2000 km off Coast of Australia, going off last ping on the image it's made a further turn, why fishy fishy fishy!,,

Gregor Peter ‏@L0gg0l 3m
China demands Malaysia to provide all information leading to its "judgement" of #MH370 having crashed in Indian Ocean -- Xinhua

Looks to me like the Chinese are having a hard time believing the "Judgement" also?

Edit to Add: Or they're just pissed off that the UK beat them to the punch...

reply to post by roadgravel


I'm not sure what you might be concluding or implying from the various satellites described. Do you mean to point out that possibly they could have used more than one satellite to triangulate the flight's position? That would have definitely made the calculations far more accurate.

They could be venting the south route to get the hijackers engage in an error.
If the plane could make it to where they say, it could have made it to Iran
circumventing the south of India outsaide radars.
Flying less knots it could get further too.

They could be venting the south route to get the hijackers engage in an error.
If the plane could make it to where they say, it could have made it to Iran
circumventing the south of India outsaide radars.
Flying less knots it could get further too.

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I thought the same thing. The flight path is baffling. 16 days ago, I assumed the plane had crashed. Then the whiplash began. Was it a hijacking? Theft for nefarious reasons? Fire? Blah blah blah. At one point I wondered if debris would show up, and, being a 5th generation Doubting Thomas, I could imagine myself wondering if it would be _the_ debris. But I never suspected that the search would converge in a remote, little traveled place Southern Indian Ocean. It could happen in a Tom Clancy novel, though some critics would likely call it "too pat."
But in real life? Why, it's strange and eerie.
16 days later, I'm all out of theories. The longer this mystery continues, the less I know. The less I understand.

This doesn't add up.
I try to think of a scenario that leads to the southern route.
1 fire in the cockpit kills all the electronics. No communication etc
2 Pilot wants to turn off fire, decompresses the cabin.
3 Goes to 45000 feet to kill the fire while trying to change route.
4 flight attendants with their oxigen bottles tell pilot that oxigen masks did not deploy, passengers are dying.
5 Pilot rapidly descends to 23000 feet to get oxigen in the cabin and save the pssengers
6 Flight attendant mentions all passengers are dead.
7 Pilot can't cope and decides to disappear the plane with themselves.
8 Flight attendants agree.
9 gone south.
10 crashed in Indian ocean.

drwill
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But in real life? Why, it's strange and eerie.

Either they have made this announcement because they have run out of options to search for the plane, or...
there IS something eerie going on here that they don't want to release to the public.
You all will think I'm crazy, I'm sure, but I have felt like this plane flew into a time warp ever since it was first reported.
No way of proving something like that because quantum physics is still in the early stages of being proved.

No explanation? Let's just say it went into the depths of the ocean and may never be recovered.

dethfromabuv
Just seems odd that a week ago that US General Tom McInerney was certain it was there.

I was just wondering what his stance will be if they find some wreckage in the Indian Ocean. Will he say his sources were wrong or will he keep saying no it's in Pakistan? That will be an interesting conversation.

OatDelphi

dethfromabuv
Just seems odd that a week ago that US General Tom McInerney was certain it was there.

I was just wondering what his stance will be if they find some wreckage in the Indian Ocean. Will he say his sources were wrong or will he keep saying no it's in Pakistan? That will be an interesting conversation.

He had said: Embarrassment is a big factor in most statements from most sources.
He said: Boeing turned on the componentry while the plane was still in the air.
Hence they know it is in Pakistan.

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My thought was that the different beams might given a better angle toward the target since some cover a smaller area.

puntito

He had said: Embarrassment is a big factor in most statements from most sources.
He said: Boeing turned on the componentry while the plane was still in the air.
Hence they know it is in Pakistan.

I know what he said, and I think he truly believes it is Pakistan. And at this point I'm not inclined to say he is wrong considering we still have nothing. His track is just as plausible as the south track.

But in the event actual confirmed wreckage is found in the Indian Ocean, is he going to call it fake? Is he still going to stand by his sources and not buy the official story? That I would find very interesting... If a decorated General comes out and says something like that, you have to step back and at the very least re-assess everything one more time.

I'm still going with the Maersk Alabama connection. The ex-Navy Seals working for the Trident Group on board the Maersk Alabama were killed to keep the mission secret. Maersk Alabama sails between Kenya and United Arab Emirates. Malaysian Airlines has a flight between Dubai and Kuala Lumpur. MH162 KUL to DBX, and MH163 DBX to KUL. This flight uses a 777-200. Todays flight MH162 leaves KUL at 3:15 pm local and arrives at DBX at 6:45 pm. www.google.com...:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb#chan nel=fflb&q=kuala+lumpur+to+dubai+flights+malaysian+airlines&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial

The ex-Navy Seals were found dead aboard the Maersk Alabama on 02/28/2014. So by checking these flight times on Flightradar24 for the days prior to 02/28/2014 I'm sure that the flight will be found that carried the "weapon" from Dubai via the Maersk Alabama can be found. Something must have gone wrong with the final mission while MH370 was loaded with the "weapon". It might not be way down in the south Indian Ocean. The plot may have been thwarted by the crew on MH370, and the responsible plotters were forced to shoot down the aircraft in the area due west of Malaysia tracking towards Diego Garcia.

CharlieSpeirs
Couple questions...

Does this Data show that it's in the Ocean, or that that's the last place it was tracked to?

& can the pings be turned off like the rest of the communication systems?

Some news sources have said the pings/handshakes cannot easily be turned off, that it would require accessing the transmission equipment and that it is not easily accessible from the cockpit or passenger compartment. Assuming that location is true, it might also need to be battery powered. It's not clear whether there is a breaker that would have shut off the pings/handshakes.

Without seeing the data, we don't know what it shows. They claim it shows the plane took the southern corridor, but that may be more because of a lack of reported radar sitings to the north. They assume it did not land and/or refuel anywhere secretly and that it therefore flew until it ran out of fuel. There are unconfirmed reports of debris that may or may not be from the flight. The possible debris is allegedly near where they believe fuel would have run out.

Malaysia Airlines at least probably doesn't know much more than this, including why the flight would have flown so far off course in this direction. But they may never know more, and may need an excuse to wind down the search. And they may even be right about that, it's hard to say.

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Thanks for that pal...
Appreciate the insight greatly!!!

I had heard about the debris, we'll see if it's related soon I guess!


Peace Ikon!

The was no engine performance tracking by Boeing and none to Rolls after ACARS went down.

reply to post by roadgravel


Good point, that would definitely help. Unfortunately, if the original curve for north and south corridors came from one satellite, though, it doesn't look like the beam was very narrow.

Just been doing abit more digging on the net, and after my chat with mikeultra last night, I have found out that two of the GA Telesis purchased ex Malaysian B777's are kept stored at the following places 9M-MRI is at Lourdes Airport France, and here's the interesting one - the ex Malaysian and now N-105GT is staored at Tel Aviv airport Israel.