Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by schmae

 

I've been looking on ustream and livestream for any live feed coming from inside.

Try this it is supposed to be reporting from Crimea.

www.atr.ua...

But it seems they are having a little technical difficulties at the moment,( and I can't imagine why ) but keep checking with it.

Thank you ! I am patient enough to wait out the tech. trouble. Let's hope it comes back !

reply to post by Echtelion

But all what happened is that Russia has sent troops to Crimea, and they aren't doing anything aside from guarding some areas.

My question is what are they trying to guard against, because as far as we know there wasn't anything happening in Crimea that would warrant such a troop movement.

And what areas are Russian other than the naval base which I am sure has adequate security. Now if things were getting real sketchy in Crimea then yes they do have the right to protect their interests and that being only the naval base.

reply to post by schmae

Thank you ! I am patient enough to wait out the tech. trouble. Let's hope it comes back !

I have been letting it run all morning, so I am going to say there may be a little problem with the server once people find out about it they will watch it, although I do wish I could understand them.

I do hope they come back up, as they seem to be the only ones I could find reporting from Crimea.

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by Echtelion

 

But all what happened is that Russia has sent troops to Crimea, and they aren't doing anything aside from guarding some areas.

My question is what are they trying to guard against, because as far as we know there wasn't anything happening in Crimea that would warrant such a troop movement.

And what areas are Russian other than the naval base which I am sure has adequate security. Now if things were getting real sketchy in Crimea then yes they do have the right to protect their interests and that being only the naval base.

What are they trying to guard against? Anyone in Ukraine who has an opinion about Russia that they dont agree with.....IE protesters of any sort......

Nothing like having a nice Russian boot on your throat to keep you from having an opinion!

The protesters in Lugansk, the most eastern city of Ukraine, have seized the city administration building and made an address to Russian president Vladimir Putin to send troops to the city, reports Ukrainskaya Pravda newspaper.

The demonstrators have also called the self-proclaimed government in Kiev illegitimate.

rt.com...

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


well it's local who call the for help from the Russian army

It appears (this is RT news) that Ukraine's Chief of the Navy has jumped sides and sworn allegiance to the people of Crimea?

Also, according to this article it seems the local Ukraine military posted in the Crimea region has all either abandoned, resigned, or put down their weapons and joined the Russians in Crimea. The article mentions these Ukraine military men taking new oaths as they switch sides... Apparently Ukraine forces in the Crimea and disbanding and writing resignation letters en masse. It seems there are possibly abandoned weapons depots/military bases that are now being protected from looting only by civilians??

Anyways, take it for what you will could just be Russian propoganda....however in the article there appears to be pictures of Ukraines Naval Chief making those statements pledging allegience to Crimea.

Source

The true face of the new government in Kiev:

Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov promised not to ignore treatment of Ukrainian Nationalists leader Dmitry Yarosh to terrorist Doku Umarov asking about the organization of terrorist acts in Russia . According to the Chechen leader , the statement of the Ukrainian nationalists demonstrated around the world the true face of the Ukrainian revolution , REGNUM was March 2 at the press service of the government and the region.

" We clearly saw America and Europe who believe and opposition political force. Yarosh publicly calls for terror , but he helped the country that supposedly against terror. U.S. recognized Umarov one of the main terrorists of our time , and for them Yarosh nice guy " - commented head of state policy of double standards of Western countries.

In addition, the head of Chechnya , drawing attention to the recognition Yarosha about his participation in the ranks of illegal armed groups in the country, promised : "The words of Dmitry Yarosh that he fought in Chechnya , we will not leave without attention . Doku Umarov went with our help whence no one has yet returned . We write the ticket and there Jarosch "

regnum.ru...

The column of dozens of cars under the Russian and Crimean flags is moving in the streets of the Crimean capital of Simferopol .

The column has passed Lenin square where the people gathered to protest against Ukraine’s new self-imposed government and to call for a referendum on the status of Crimea.

People were shouting “Russia!” and “Crimea is Russia.”

still from the same rt feed keep in mind pro-Russian

Dolby_X
reply to post by tsurfer2000h

 

well it's local who call the for help from the Russian army

True, but then why did they go in unmarked like independent contractors for hire? Why did they have to do it without letting anyone know their intent?

reply to post by majesticgent


ask Putin im not the leader giving order here all i can do is go outside and try to stop Mapple sirup export to the region !

reply to post by Dolby_X


I agree lol. I'm Sorry bro. Just a pet peeve when people use the whole "Chess thing". Im sorry.

Yes, the news…that is what we are all hear for and all watching. Thanks for continuing to help and share info.

MM

reply to post by nwtrucker

Putting the rhetoric aside. My personal measuring stick of this is the reaction of other ex-Soviet satellites. Poland, Belarus and the rest.

To be dead serious and no playing about it? I look at it precisely the opposite. If Poland and other area nations are loud and quick with rhetoric, then I'll not really worry because they aren't really worried.

If national governments in a shockingly SMALL area, geographically, start putting some distance out before actual units and military formations start getting over-run to be removed from maps? Then, it's about to pop.

The thing is...Russia isn't stupid. Never has been and we'd BETTER take them as our equals, at least, in every way for planning and thinking. They don't advertise or spend grand build up periods for action. They jump to move and fill the gaps quickly as they go. It's happened repeatedly and before Chechnya. There is Afghanistan and the other invasions by the Soviet and during the Cold War. Well, Putin is a literal product of and formed by the cold war out of the 1970's, when his KGB/Intelligence career began in the Soviet Union. His thinking by sheer life experience, is that thinking...

It's something no one seems to appreciate in the light banter about war. Iraq and the others acted in fear as much as bluster, and in the end, the whole world knows it for how it came out, if nothing else. Those nations knew before we entered...they were in a match-up beyond stupid for any concept of military win.

Russia is our equal. Period. Areas they don't match, they deliberately moved in others to compensate. Always measured against us and to a lesser extent, China. Not a regional Iraq measuring it's defense to Iran or Turkey. Russia is framed and formed militarily to fight us in a way we are no longer quite formed to fight back with. I think that makes all our advantages AND their advantages come to pretty much a wash and 'lets really not do this'...in the end.

reply to post by Dolby_X


I know, but we can speculate. That's what I do not understand. Why did they have to go about it the way they did?

Desperate times call for desperate measures..we all say things that we dont mean when we're mad...

This guy surely would'nt be stupid enough to generate terrorist acts within Russia, because if he DOES..it'll mean suicide for Ukraine.
Really, even saying it was tremendously stupid. Now the FSB can happily bomb their own metro, kidnap their own citizens and blow up buses...using the Ukrainian terrorists as the patsy's, after all, the Ukraine president called on him to do it, didn't he.

lightedhype
It appears (this is RT news) that Ukraine's Chief of the Navy has jumped sides and sworn allegiance to the people of Crimea?

Also, according to this article it seems the local Ukraine military posted in the Crimea region has all either abandoned, resigned, or put down their weapons and joined the Russians in Crimea. The article mentions these Ukraine military men taking new oaths as they switch sides... Apparently Ukraine forces in the Crimea and disbanding and writing resignation letters en masse. It seems there are possibly abandoned weapons depots/military bases that are now being protected from looting only by civilians??

Anyways, take it for what you will could just be Russian propoganda....however in the article there appears to be pictures of Ukraines Naval Chief making those statements pledging allegience to Crimea.

Source

Pics and Vids or it didn't happen. I don't like to be 'that guy', but the Russian propaganda machine is pretty awesome.

reply to post by majesticgent


They local authority (elected one) do not see the new Ukrain gouvernment as legetimate and have ask the Russian for protection against them... that how i see it well from the news we got in the Crimea region

reply to post by doompornjunkie


There you go Ukrainian news reporting it to translate.google.com...

"I Berezovsky Denis V., swear allegiance to the Crimean people and undertake to defend it, as required by statute," - said Rear Admiral, was appointed Acting Chief of the Navy decree President Alexander Turchinov.

reply to post by Echtelion


I can't say I'm up on the Belarusian political stance, but when it comes to Poland, I feel it's safe to say the lesser of two evils is the evil that was much closer to the present, that being the Soviet Union, than the Nazis.

Are you pointing this out as a reason for the west to get involved more than they are or just pointing out possible reservations they may have in supporting the Ukraine?

Either way, if they do end up supporting the Ukraine, then I'd be more inclined to support them. Likewise, the opposite holds true, it they don't we shouldn't...just my opinion.

Aggravated situation in Ukraine riveted the attention of world leaders. Many of them were quick to contact with the Kremlin to seek clarification . One of the first to call President Barack Obama . In a conversation with him ( conversation lasted half an hour ) Vladimir Putin warned that the propagation of violence in Crimea and eastern Ukraine Moscow would retain the right to protect the interests of the Russian-speaking population in these regions. The Russian president noted that there were " real threats to life and health of Russian citizens and compatriots numerous repositories on Ukrainian territory." Putin also drew attention to the interlocutor provocative criminal acts ultranationalist elements , in fact encouraged the present authorities in Kiev.
Obama also , according to Western news agencies claimed that Russia , having gone on announced measures to face the political and economic isolation . And even threatened by some sanctions from Western countries.
Also on Sunday night, the Russian president spoke with a call to Moscow UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and French President Francois Hollande , who called to find a way to solve the problem without sending troops . Putin assured them that the Russian side is set to solve problems in a peaceful way , but if the escalation of violent acts against the Russian-speaking population continues, Russia will not be able to stay on the sidelines and will apply the necessary measures in the framework of international law .