Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

MysterX

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all2human
reply to post by la2

 

I expect them to counter Russia, it's going to be a nail biter
Russia holds the energy card in Europe

edit on 2-3-2014 by all2human because: (no reason given)

And Putin was stupid enough to make his move just as the weather in Europe is going to start getting warmer, making an embargo on Russian gas easier day by day!

Think longer term and with a broader scope...there will be another Winter, and not all gas and coal are used for heating purposes...a large amount is used for electricity generation..electricity is needed all year round.

edit on 2-3-2014 by MysterX because: typo

If Russia cannot finish this whole conquest off by this summer, Putin will not be around next winter.

www.pravda.com.ua...

using a tranlastion engine:

A large number of unidentified persons stormed the headquarters of the Azov-Black Sea Regional Administration and Simferopol frontier.
This was reported in the State Border Service .
According to the report, the attackers broke down the doors, destroyed workstations and communications.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Putting the rhetoric aside. My personal measuring stick of this is the reaction of other ex-Soviet satellites. Poland, Belarus and the rest.

If they come to the aid of the Ukraine then they see this as a serious move on Russia's part. I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that they have no desire to become some domino effect and end up back in Russia's control.

If they don't react/join in the festivities, then neither should the "West".

That may be too simple, but it spares me headaches and hand-wringing....

reply to post by nwtrucker


I agree, why have those countries not come forward to offer help?

Updates from BBC News live feed:

BBC Monitoring 15:53: The Ukrainian State Border Service's HQ in Simferopol has been "captured", the service says in a statement circulated by UNIAN news agency.

Source: www.bbc.co.uk...

ad to the news

Ukraine says it Navy still has full fleet of 10 ships in Crimean port of Sevastopol, which have not disarmed and remain loyal to Kiev.
[Reuters]

reply to post by Dolby_X


Thanks Dolby

reply to post by deviant300


the real source of that info
www.pravda.com.ua...

dpsu.gov.ua...

The citizens of Balaklava, a part of the city of Sevastopol in the Crimean peninsula, are going to protect the military facilities abandoned by Ukraine’s naval border guards from looting, said Vladislav Belousov, an official with the city’s administration.

“After the Ukrainian naval border guards were relocated, the territory became occupied by the looters,” he said. “There might be some ammunition and weapons on the territory [of Balaklava].”

rt.com...

Dolby_X
reply to post by Trillium

 

cyber nah when you cyber war you'll see electrical grid go offline you'll seeUkrain Nuclear centrals in emergency shutdown.

Hacking a website is kinda kindengarden hacking in the war

Absolutely not. Spreading of views like these to a wide scale audience does multiple levels of damage to the enemy. 1) Shows weakness of Russia. 2) Implants the "Russia is Nazis" idealism into indoctrinated western folks. 3) Muddies channels of input, making critical thinking unstable and less possible.

No…this is not child's play hacking…nor is "Anon" a citizen based grass-root operation.

And…no…this is nothing like a Chess Board. You keep saying it, but in doing so you are falling for a famous blunder.

This is a very common fallacy, but "False Analogy", its common name, is very misleading. Analogies are neither true nor false, instead they come in degrees from near identity to extreme dissimilarity. Here are two important points about analogy:

No analogy is perfect, that is, there is always some difference between analogs. Otherwise, they would not be two analogous objects, but only one, and the relation would be one of identity, not analogy.
There is always some similarity between any two objects, no matter how different. For example, Lewis Carroll once posed the following nonsense riddle:

www.fallacyfiles.org...

In short…people who apply analogies to serious issues always fail to understand/describe the situation effectively. It also leads one to jumping to faulty logic and weak views that are very thin and/or baseless.

You keep saying this is Chess and keep quoting moves of the game…as a Chess player I must say, there is zero connection between Chess and the actions within Ukraine right now. This is war…not a board game that does not mimic modern "real world war".

MM

deviant300
Russia options are limited if they decide the invade Ukrainian without any unilateral agreements (which seems they already did) then simply it will be seen as an Act of Aggression by the international community. Act of War

Declaration of war upon another State.

NATO invention is a risky one.

edit on 2-3-2014 by deviant300 because: Error

But there wasn't actually one. The 6000-7000 troops they've sent is not enough to start a war against Ukraine. That's obvious.

Ukrainian media will of course call it that way, because they are begging for NATO to come fight their bloody war. But all what happened is that Russia has sent troops to Crimea, and they aren't doing anything aside from guarding some areas. No shooting, no violence. This is not war. This is POLITICAL DISPUTE.

Is this a violation of Ukraine's sovereignty? NO.

Because Russia already had LEGAL authorization to have troops in Crimea and use its ports. They had it since the fall of the Soviet Bloc.

Your mainstream media in the West is misinforming you. Do your own research. The Parliament in Sebastopol has already declared its negation of Kiev's authority, before Russia sent troops. Don't you remember?

Any democracy is based on Rule of Law, if treaties and laws are violated upfront, there is no longer a democracy. That's what happened in Kiev.

reply to post by Mr Mask


nice to have your point of view now let's focus on NEWS

24tv.ua...

"Hands off Ukraine": Cherkaser protesting against the Russian occupation

Asen, is there any estimate as to the numbers of loyal Ukrainians in the eastern sectors?
From what I gather the Russian support runs to 60% of the population...but what of the loyal Ukrainians who are opposed to the invasion?
Any ideas if they are arming themselves or pushing back yet?

Where is asen? Haven't seen anything from him in a while.. I was wondering just when Russia would cut communications from Ukraine.

We could just "HELP" Putin in his short term deployment of troops in effort to stabilize Ukraine. Get it stable then get out =). Would make things much better for humanity in all this...

nwtrucker
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Putting the rhetoric aside. My personal measuring stick of this is the reaction of other ex-Soviet satellites. Poland, Belarus and the rest.

If they come to the aid of the Ukraine then they see this as a serious move on Russia's part. I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that they have no desire to become some domino effect and end up back in Russia's control.

If they don't react/join in the festivities, then neither should the "West".

That may be too simple, but it spares me headaches and hand-wringing....

Well Bielorussia is well-known for its support to Russia, while I doubt Poland would give support to a political faction who's been defending the genocide of Poles in WW2 by Nazi supporters.

reply to post by schmae

I've been looking on ustream and livestream for any live feed coming from inside.

Try this it is supposed to be reporting from Crimea.

www.atr.ua...

But it seems they are having a little technical difficulties at the moment,( and I can't imagine why ) but keep checking with it.

reply to post by doompornjunkie


he may have a life to right now it's look like lunch time

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by schmae

 

I've been looking on ustream and livestream for any live feed coming from inside.

Try this it is supposed to be reporting from Crimea.

www.atr.ua...

But it seems they are having a little technical difficulties at the moment,( and I can't imagine why ) but keep checking with it.

Here is a live feed from Reuters too

www.livestation.com...

Will we see nato drag in or not ? meeting today

translate.google.com...

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said that Russia's actions towards Ukraine threatened peace and security in Europe.