Teen Dead After Alabama Police ‘Shoved Sharp Object Into Throat’ to Retrieve Drugs

originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: Meee32

So my question is why give THEM the benefit of the doubt?

Because simply being a police officer does not in any way, shape or form make them automatically a bad person who abuses the badge. Would it be fair for people to just blindly despise you simply because of your chosen career? By doing that, you are no better than "THEM".

Depends on the career... What if I was a hitman or made child porn? I'm not saying it does anyway, but they lie and cover up all the time... Seen it a million times before.

a reply to: Meee32

So it says in there that the lawyer took the job cos he'd get publicity? It says that they found drugs in his system? I didn't say EVERYTHING was an assumption...

Read the autopsy report. I am tired of repeating myself, and now you're just being ridiculous, grasping at whatever you can because you want to keep the hatred going so you can convince yourself that regardless of the facts, you are right. So good luck with that endeavor. Have a nice day.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

wow, so the kid was working undercover for them and they did this to him? I agree with you, this is insane stuff.

a reply to: shearder

This is just part of the problem that is becoming the Police State in a growing Totalitarian nightmare. I am usually on the other side of B Marketeer on things, but we seem to agree on this one.
I read Orwell's book 1984 as a teen and I have always known it was prophetic of what is to come. We are continually having to give up our liberties for the sake of safety in a manufactured crisis by those who want to dominate the entire world.

a reply to: skunkape23

Two more. Natural law.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

WTH did I just read?

I'm surprised this didn't happen in Albuquerque NM....isn't that where they forced multiple rectal exams on a suspect looking for drugs?

This is beyond out of control.

Sorry to say but NOTHING will happen to these "officers". Nothing.
We had a situation a couple years back in Southern MD where a young girl, who was working at the local fire station as a voulenteer was T-boned by a speeding sherif that blew through a red light killing her. The county ended up paying the family an undisclosed amount but all the parents wanted was an apology. An apology that NEVER came. The sheriff department never said they were at fault but she's dead.

This is MURDER! THEY MURDERED SOMEONE and should be TRIED FOR MURDER!

No payed leave, no dismissal, if it were my town or my child I would have them facing MURDER CHARGES!

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

They then set out to "probe" the kids throat with a sharp object, as he was "choking on a bag of drugs," (according to officers), only no bag of drugs were found on his person or in his throat.

Yes, there were two bags of Ecstasy found on his person, not including the stuff he sold to the "informant". One of the main points of the lawsuit is the complaint by the mother that she was not told beforehand that the police would be "setting up" an undercover operation to bust her son. Well, of course not lol...they don't catch drug dealers by announcing that they're coming...what would be the point?

The autopsy report rules out any trauma to the trachea or esophagus caused by a "sharp object". That is why they don't state what the object was or introduce it as evidence. It is solely the mother's word that a "sharp object" was used, and there is nothing indicating that anything sharp was introduced into the throat. There will be forensic photos in court to illustrate that as well as a transcription of the verbal dictation the ME records in real-time while performing each stage of the examination, and the entire thing will be on video too, as with all autopsies that are court-ordered.

Either way, it seems obvious that they stuck something down his throat because there was blunt-force trauma to the tissue, according to the autopsy report. It is entirely possible that he actually tried to swallow the bag, but was knocked to the ground mid-swallow and started choking on it.

Something that large would have been expelled on its own, but apparently they got overzealous and went looking for it in his throat without even checking to see if it fell to the ground, damaging his tissue and causing swelling that, combined with them kneeling on his back, was sufficient enough to asphyxiate him.

Had he actually succeeded in swallowing the bag, he would have died without emergency surgery to remove it because once the acid chyme broke down the plastic in his stomach all of the drugs inside would have gone directly into his bloodstream. And if they thought that it could be retrieved by sticking something down his throat they were sadly mistaken...the human digestive system simply does not work that way...once something enters the esophagus, peristaltic movement takes over. All they would have done is shove it further down his digestive tract.

Anyone with a BLS certification should know that already, so there is no excuse for the sheer stupidity of what they did. I would still like to know what exactly they did use to try and go fishing in his esophagus, because there is forensic evidence showing that they did in fact stick something in there...just not something sharp.

a reply to: abeverage

This is MURDER! THEY MURDERED SOMEONE and should be TRIED FOR MURDER!

Murder implies premeditation; that they arrived at his residence with the express intent to end his life, so that's not very likely. They wanted an arrest and to put a drug dealer out of business. However, it would appear that they handled the entire thing with reckless disregard for simple cause-and-effect, not to mention common sense. They used excessive force, with an extremely high probability that their actions strongly contributed to...if not caused...him asphyxiating and subsequently dying.

They should have been charged with aggravated assault and manslaughter, received a prison sentence and permanently had their right to wear a badge revoked, but of course we know that is not going to happen...especially in the Deep South. This kid was a felon, but he was also very young and might have had a fighting chance at rising above a life of crime and becoming a productive member of society. But he was robbed of that because of sheer brute stupidity. I feel for his mother most of all in this because no one should ever outlive their own child. I hope she wins her suit and finds some type of closure with this. It is just so tragic and senseless.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer
Coming from a police family I just want to let everyeveryone know all of you saying police should handle the corruption of theyre employer's, it isn't that easy ive seen first hand how if a regular cop even approaches a higher up about some of the problems going on they instantly lose theor job or they end up in the worst cop hating neighborhood for patrol, also you all need to remember had this kid not been breaking the law being involved with drugs in the first place this wouldn't have happened im in no way saying they were they justified in what they did but he was also doing something he shouldn't have been, police are just likr everyone else they come home to families and go to work and do their job and for the most part most cops are good but isn't there a few bad apples in every bunch? Dont hate all police because a few break some rules people forget about how many police are wrongly killed every year or assaulted just for being a police officer, not all police are corrupt if anything its their government superiors who tell them to do wrong and of they dont then they cant provide for their family because then they lose the job of bei g an officer and almost any case ive seen of an officer standing up to big brother they was sent to prison on a bogus charge or the was "shot by some thug in an ally" its all politcs, im just asking everyone please look st other perspectives before you hate all police thanks

a reply to: wrkn4livn

The county ended up paying the family an undisclosed amount but all the parents wanted was an apology. An apology that NEVER came. The sheriff department never said they were at fault but she's dead

That is one of the most heart-wrenching things I have ever heard. Why does it seem that the answer to everything these days is just to throw money at it? It would have cost them nothing to admit their wrongdoing and offer an apology. I am truly saddened by that.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
This is a story repeated time and time again, here's just a few from the last couple years starting with Kelly Thomas:

Two police officers, Manuel Ramos and Jay Cicinelli, are now on trial for the killing of Thomas, who suffered from schizophrenia. Cops used their fists and batons to beat Thomas. They Tasered him multiple times. Cause of death was apparently "mechanical suppression of the thorax."

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The death of a man with Down syndrome who was reportedly killed after lying face-down in police custody has been ruled a homicide.

WJLA reports that Robert Saylor, 26, of New Market, Md., was asphyxiated on Jan. 12, according to a medical examiner's ruling late last week.

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A 25-year-old suburban Detroit man who died after a confrontation with mall cops was captured in a cellphone video shouting "I can't breathe" after being pepper-sprayed and pinned to the ground during the altercation.
McKenzie Cochran died Tuesday night following the dust-up with guards at Northland Mall in Southfield, Mich., some 20 minutes outside of the city.

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Luis Rodriguez died after being held down by five policemen in the Oklahoma City suburb of Moore.
His distraught wife, who is recording the takedown on her cellphone, can be heard screaming, "You kill him! You kill him! You killed my husband!"

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Unarmed people, beaten and suffocated by overzealous, out of control animals with badges.

Eric Holder needs to call his dogs off

a reply to: Cerberus1219

Dont hate all police because a few break some rules people forget about how many police are wrongly killed every year or assaulted just for being a police officer, not all police are corrupt if anything its their government superiors who tell them to do wrong and of they dont then they cant provide for their family because then they lose the job of bei g an officer and almost any case ive seen of an officer standing up to big brother they was sent to prison on a bogus charge or the was "shot by some thug in an ally" its all politcs, im just asking everyone please look st other perspectives before you hate all police thanks

Very well said. This is exactly what I am trying to get across as well. There are many police officers in my family as well and they are good, honest cops who take their job very seriously...there are always two sides to every story and we would do well to remember that. Automatically hating every cop out there is no better than any other kind of discrimination... it is unfair to judge people by the actions of their peers, and it only breeds more hatred and violence. That is what is wrong with this world in the first place...too many people who feed off of hate and are looking for someone to blame. If we want things to change, we have to break the cycle. Otherwise, we are just part of the problem.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

wow, so the kid was working undercover for them and they did this to him? I agree with you, this is insane stuff.

No, he was the dealer they set up the sting to catch. The one working with them was a year older, according to the lawsuit. Not sure if they knew each other or not.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

they wont preserve justice, then what good are they?

No good at all.

Police today are so corrupt, so violent and so poorly trained it just doesn't surprise me anymore what terrible things they do. The majority of police are bad either by turning a blind eye, lying or outright violence and murder. I would not help a dying cop on the side of the road because I'd be afraid to get shot somehow and every time I hear of a cop getting killed now I will just think one more less thug. Totally brutal and people should stand up for each other or this will just continue.

a reply to: tigertatzen

I have to lump them together because unlike other areas of civil duty - police officers are fraternal order.
What one does the others are immediately aware of.
When the "good ones" do nothing out of respect for their "code" then at that moment they have
turned their backs on us. I don't care that s/he's a good man or a good husband/wife or that they love their children and wouldn't hurt a fly..They have turned their backs on us the people..The ones they are supposed to be protecting.
You need to stop with the illusion of believing there are good ones because if that were true these kinds of things wouldn't continue to happen at the ridiculous rates they do now.

I believe maybe 10-20 years ago there were those cops that knew their communities and cared for those within them.
Those cops aren't around anymore to properly train those that coming in to the force.
Instead what we're getting are trigger hungry under trained - under developed both mentally and emotionally low IQ soldiers with only "the mission" on their minds..They no longer care about about us.


They are rewarded for killing us and abusing us - www.theguardian.com...

a reply to: tigertatzen

Ok...Yes, yes brains must be measured here before my first cuppa o coffee...MANSLAUGHTER THEY MANSLAUGHTERED Someone...lol

Call it whatever lawyer term you want they KILLED an innocent human being, if it were you or I we would go to jail for this! They are not above they law, they are not the law, they should be arrested and charged.

Agreed?

This is insane.

This is very insane, and sadly becoming more and more the "norm", which I find very disturbing.