HUGE event just happened in Missouri !:13 pm 2/3/14

theabsolutetruth
reply to post by Arken

 

Suggesting that details are required is not ''arrogance''.

So you obviously are in denial that OP probably heard a sonic boom and seen a sun halo...right?

Those are my suggestions, and as for the burnt face go read my post again, I said it could be anything, or even a lie.

You might believe everything you hear, I don't, GET OVER IT!

'Bashing the unbeliever' then creating straw man arguments seems par for the course for threads of no substance.

This thread and details of an 'event' lacks substance, surprised how many are defending it, oh wait, not surprised, I guess it's to be expected.

Could it be a sonic boom...yes

Could it be a sun halo....yes

Could this alleged 'ufo' be imagined or identifiable....yes

Do we have any proof of a burnt face....no

Do we have to believe it.... no

Could it have been a lie.... yes

Could it have been an illusion....yes

Could it have been a misinterpreted rational event.... yes

Do we have the right to question something....yes

Do we have the right to disbelieve something.... yes

Is believing something a person said, despite all evidence pointing to a rational explanation, ignorance....yes

Is ATS motto Deny Ignorance.... yes

edit on 4-2-2014 by theabsolutetruth because: (no reason given)

yet nobody is forcing you too continue being part of this thread are they?....you have the choice to move on to something else that you desire....but for some reason you continue to want to put forward your own personal interpretation of what happened to the OP.......if it irks you that much just let it go,............................ yes we get it you dont believe her that is your opinion and you are entitled to it....

something happened out of the ordinary for this person and she obviously posted to try and get some help to understand what she saw....from reading her comments i believe it was something unusual and quite traumatic....if some of the bickering could be subdued hopefully some sort of an explanation can be resolved by the collective mind that is ATS

dragonridr


Dont panic it was Boeing again this isnt the first time.They periodically flight test new aircraft and do indeed break the sound barrier then play stupid. Here was there statement from last time the news tried to find out who did it. In sept of 2011. See even Boeing knows there not supposed to do that so they say well matter of national security.


Supersonic flight is a requirement for us to fulfill our contract with the United States government to provide important products for the defense of our country. The location and time of those infrequent supersonic flights are directed and approved by government authorities, and Boeing is compliant with this direction. If there is damage to property as a result of these flights, we ask that residents contact Boeing representative Pat Frost at 314-234-6996.

Exacty!


I dont get all the woo woo Alien nonsence.


Yes Antar likley saw something and it likley a very a earthly reason. IE test of some kind.

Good news if they cause your window to break Boeing will pay for it. Heres the link im sure there are others as well.

articles.kspr.com...

reply to post by crazyewok


Not with those two. But I am willing to bet something from Phantom Works is or was testing it.

antar
reply to post by Vasa Croe

 

Read up on my past history before making comments like that. Really.

If I lost you then you dont need to understand and put this together like I do right now, If I dont make that is normal for what I just witnessed.

2 Points here, the object that the jets were chasing and then the halo around the sun that burnt my face and quite frankly scared the living daylights out of me. I feared something struck the sun, or worse some kind of CMEwhich blew out a portion of the sun, I dont know!!!

did you think it was the end of the world?????? really folks this is ridiculous. I say pictures or it didn't happen. Please stop wasting our time with this baloney.

reply to post by Libertygal


The thread was moved to Gray area I asked for details before that.

Being in the gray area doesn't mean automatic belief.

I didn't ask for ''proof''.

Threads in the 'gray area' can and should be questioned otherwise they are pointless, it's a discussion forum.

I am questioning the thread, and rightly so, I have every right to do so.

If you or others cannot tolerate those that question things then perhaps the gray area or even ATS isn't for you.

Zaphod58
reply to post by crazyewok

 

Not with those two. But I am willing to bet something from Phantom Works is or was testing it.

you are pretty clued up with aircraft ....how long did they manage to keep the SR71A a secret and what do you suppose they have in the works in this day and age ?

Phew that took awhile to read from the beginning. The members certainly covered the whole gauntlet of replies. The believers, the believers because they stand by a friend with a good track record, the concerned, the inquiring minds, the members that actually tried to dig for actual answers while neither believing or disbelieving, the members sidetracked, by what appeared to me to be "semantics" of the title of the thread, and of course the trolls, just to name a few.

We had the redundency of pic or it didn't happen, we had people with their own experiences where they didn't have a camera, yet their experence was just as real and they will stand by it. We have had the huff and puff I will blow your story down, we have had the bricklayers keep the story together.

In short, without covering it all, we have pretty much covered the board in ATS fashion I suppose. Empathy has been strong and weak. Facts versus gut feelings. Pretty much just like how the world goes round... Makes me proud, makes me sad.

I for one understand the talking too it. Makes perfect sense to me. I know what I have seen myself, and yes, even though it was fast and no time for pictures, I talked to it and I was stunned at the same time. Do I believe the OP? Why yes I do. Something obviously happened. Was it a "Huge Event?" I guess that depends on where you were standing at the time. It was certainly huge to her, and from what she has said, I think that would have been a pretty big deal in my day as well if it had happened to me. Will I berate her on the semantics of the moment? No. Would I try it get more info from her to try and help? Yes, but most of my question have all ready been clearly asked. No sense in being redundant.

Will I add to the flags that some think are a bit bloated? Yes. This thread has intrigued me with the good the bad and the ugly, but mostly the loyal members, that know and respect quality over time and understand bennifit of the doubt. Water seeks its own level and I would like to think that over time, I can garner that same respect from showing that respect myself.

This may not have started in the gray area, but it has ended up here, so no need to be denying truth etc.. The woman's just asked for some help and hopefully we can provide that.

reply to post by hopenotfeariswhatweneed


The SR-71 actually went public before it flew. The A-12 is the one kept quiet for years. To this day a lot of people can't tell the two apart.

As for what's coming, it promises to be a very intrresting future. I know some of it and it's amazing.

reply to post by hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I'll believe pretty much anything, well that was until I came here. I'm wondering what this person thought we were gonna do- with no drawings, photos, video, sound, physical burns, other eyewitnesses. You know substantial evidence, the stuff you deny ignorance with. If you like preaching to the choir that's one thing but intolerance of questions in a place where you are supposed to deny ignorance is intolerable so you have no place here actually if you want to tell people where to go and what to think. This OP is nonsense in the sense that there is nothing to go by except a story, even if it WAS absolutely true so what? The witness should then bow down to whatever he saw and pray it doesn't kill him; not run to a social media website full of crazy people and expect real answers. I mean really how can anyone tell this person what happened and be believable? What kinds of answers was the op looking for anyway? What kind of person comes here for comfort and support?

Zaphod58
reply to post by crazyewok

 

Not with those two. But I am willing to bet something from Phantom Works is or was testing it.

That what i meant. If phantom works are nearby.

The jets could have been chasing it as a exercise or they could of just lost control of it and sent the jets to chase it down.

Dunno about the burned face though. Will go out on a limb and say this new method wont cause something like that?

Those asking about the cause of burns, I have come up with a couple of suggestions in my synopsis on page 23 and earlier on page 19.

I'd like to hear more about it actually. I suffer from a nuerological condition and know the effects nerve's can have. Sometimes my side feels like it's on fire and burning but I know it is not. If as I guess she had a blackout (tunnel vision causing a dark rainbow while looking at sun) the lack of blood can indeed cause sensation changes in the skin. (supporting link on my previous post).

She's had a tough day by the sounds of things, I hope she gets to my ideas and rolls them over her mind a bit, it may save her some stress and explain things in a rational way and give her comfort. An event as huge as this can't go this missed by the outside world this much (except some correlation with some boom sounds, which did not have the added personal halo/burn effects).

reply to post by bottleslingguy


That is why this information has wound up in the Gray area, where things can merely be reported as circumstantial, eye witness testimony, without the requirement for corroborative evidence like video, pictures, results of samples taken at a scene, or anything the hell else.

If this was posted in Aliens and UFO, then maybe I could understand all the drama which has been pointed at the OP, but this is not the forum for it. This is PRECISELY the forum for things that one cannot prove, but none the less must tell the world about.

reply to post by crazyewok


No it wouldn't do anything like that.

bottleslingguy
reply to post by hopenotfeariswhatweneed

 

I'll believe pretty much anything, well that was until I came here. I'm wondering what this person thought we were gonna do- with no drawings, photos, video, sound, physical burns, other eyewitnesses. You know substantial evidence, the stuff you deny ignorance with. If you like preaching to the choir that's one thing but intolerance of questions in a place where you are supposed to deny ignorance is intolerable so you have no place here actually if you want to tell people where to go and what to think. This OP is nonsense in the sense that there is nothing to go by except a story, even if it WAS absolutely true so what? The witness should then bow down to whatever he saw and pray it doesn't kill him; not run to a social media website full of crazy people and expect real answers. I mean really how can anyone tell this person what happened and be believable? What kinds of answers was the op looking for anyway? What kind of person comes here for comfort and support?

i suspect an answer more than just she is crazy based on lack of evidence

Zaphod58
reply to post by crazyewok

 

No it wouldn't do anything like that.

Likely just sum burn.

I have got sunburn in a matter of minutes when the suns been lensing,.

So solved for me:
Boeing phantom works test
Sun lensing thats caused halo and sun burn

theabsolutetruth
reply to post by Libertygal

 

The thread was moved to Gray area I asked for details before that.

Being in the gray area doesn't mean automatic belief.

I didn't ask for ''proof''.

Threads in the 'gray area' can and should be questioned otherwise they are pointless, it's a discussion forum.

I am questioning the thread, and rightly so, I have every right to do so.

If you or others cannot tolerate those that question things then perhaps the gray area or even ATS isn't for you.

edit on 4-2-2014 by theabsolutetruth because: (no reason given)

You just posted this on the previous page:

Do we have any proof of a burnt face....no

That is an implication that proof is a requirement.

By stating it was before it was moved to the Gray Area, you are misleading people into believing your statements are being taken out of context, which, they were not.

In the same post, you implied the OP was lying.

Hence, I said I felt it was stepping over the line of guidelines for this forum, and perhaps not the place for you.

The post was moved a LONG time ago, the excuse above is tired, and you have used it several times to explain attacks on people that were, in fact, made since it has been moved.

Then, you go on to further insult many members that support the OP, making inferential statements about it being "typical", and "to be expected". What, exactly, does that mean, if not an insult and an attack on people for believing her?

I was very polite and respectful, and will continue to be, as I refuse to be baited into a post ban, or worse.

Your behaviour in this thread, since it has been moved, has been addressed several times, and it should be obvious by now that you are certainly not winning friends nor influencing people here. More than enough hints have been dropped in that direction.

The one thing I do not comprehend however, is if you do not believe some parts of her story, and submit they are likely lies, why, then, so you believe any of it?

In my world, if I discount someone as possibly lying, or being deceptive, their entire story becomes highly questionable.

Yet, you allow total credence to a military test, or operation, without any supporting evidence, or "proof", and for the life of me, I cannit understand why?

Why are you cherry picking what you believe, and what you do not? Simply because she has friends that support her? Alluding to the cliquish like behaviour, it almost seems like jealousy or bitterness. There is no evidence of a military exercise, YET, than there is anything else, yet, you seem 100% willing to write it off as such, without question.

That seems very odd to me.

Dreadkor
Well, this looks to sum up the overall vibe I am getting from the site and I am sorry to say I am disappointed. I thought I was joining a site that had open discussion on a wide range of topics, from mainstream to fringe, and perhaps things might be open and intelligent, but this is not the case.

This subforum is called Gray Area. It means that people can post their personal experiences here even if they don´t have any solid proof to back them up.

It´s good that ATS have this kind of subforum, because people experience all kinds of things and often they cant offer solid proof. But they still want to describe their personal experiences with others, get support, get ideas and suggestions. What´s so bad about it?

I don´t have my cellphone with me all the time. Often I´m outside, in the garden, and mu phone is in the house second floor. If I suddenly see something unusual I certainly DON´T run inside to take camera, because I´d probably miss the show. These things happen quickly and unexpecedly.

I don´t get it whay is it so important to some people that other people´s personal experiences have been proven with pics and vieos? If it´s thruth or not, what does it changes anyway? Just interesting stories and experiences, interesting to investigate pssibilities or just talk about these things.

I know that internet is full of hoaxes and I don´t believe many claims, but if there is special forum (inside conspiracy forum) that is dedicated to personal experiences without proof, then what´s the problem? Why hang around and endlessly thrying to convince everyone that YOU don´t believe it?

It all sounds pretty heavy if I read the statements made. The enthusiasm when something big happens in front of you lets the emotion rule and clear thinking what to do next mostly lacks action taken. Like taking pictures or video the whole event . But also time frames are part of the essential rule to take the action needed to proof such event happening I guess.

But I'm still wondering what really happened? Ill hope some pictures or videos will show up .

Sorry if this has already been posted, but this is an enormous thread and I might have missed a previous posting. Came across this report of multiple booms over kentucky and illinois posted a few hours ago...



..and this report of booms over missouri from a year ago almost to the day...

I may have an answer to what happened.

At least, a place to begin.

Operation Red Flag.

Many Air Force installations, along with multiple other military units, have joined together for a Combat Training Exercise, and it appears to be covering many areas, and multiple bases.

I visited some military web sites, including the one in Missouri, where Antar lives, and will provide some links. It seems this exercise is ongoing, until Feb. 15, 2014.

Here are some links. Beware, they are gov sites, so if you don't like visiting them, don't clicky.

I will post some quotes.

www.australiandefence.com.au...

Air Force arrives in the US for
Exercise Red Flag

04 Feb 2014

Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) aircraft and personnel have arrived at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada in the US to participate in Exercise Red Flag.

About 250 RAAF personnel from around Australia have deployed to the exercise.

(snip)

The large scale exercise will involve experienced aircrews from the participating air forces flying strike, electronic warfare, tactical
transport, fighter escort, airborne warning and control and air-to-air refuelling aircraft against dedicated defensive fighter aircraft and an extensive range of simulated surface to air threats.

www.eielson.af.mil...

RED FLAG-Alaska, a series of Pacific Air Forces commander-directed field training exercises for U.S. forces, provides joint
offensive counter-air, interdiction, close air support, and large force employment training in a simulated combat environment.

www.nellis.af.mil...

Red Flag-Nellis

Red Flag-Nellis is conducted on the Nevada Test and Training Range and involves U.S. and allied forces from all brances of service.

www.nellis.af.mil...

509th Bomb Wing, 13th Bomb Squadron, B-2s, Whiteman AFB, MO.

Release Number: 021113

11/20/2013 - NELLIS AIR FORCE BASE, Nev. -- Southern Nevada residents may notice increased military aircraft activity as the Air
Force conducts Red Flag 14-1 from Jan. 27 - Feb. 14.

I stand, still, by my assessment. If this was caused by a military exercise, especially causing a civillian a physical injury, demands should be made for an inquiry, and a determination of what caused the injury, what the longterm effects on her health may be, and what danger the public may be in, with respect to further exercises.

Operation Red Flag began in Jan, as stated above, and ends Feb. 15, 2014. (Some articles state Feb. 14, 2014)