HUGE event just happened in Missouri !:13 pm 2/3/14

reply to post by antar


Dont panic it was Boeing again this isnt the first time.They periodically flight test new aircraft and do indeed break the sound barrier then play stupid. Here was there statement from last time the news tried to find out who did it. In sept of 2011. See even Boeing knows there not supposed to do that so they say well matter of national security.

Supersonic flight is a requirement for us to fulfill our contract with the United States government to provide important products for the defense of our country. The location and time of those infrequent supersonic flights are directed and approved by government authorities, and Boeing is compliant with this direction. If there is damage to property as a result of these flights, we ask that residents contact Boeing representative Pat Frost at 314-234-6996.

Good news if they cause your window to break Boeing will pay for it. Heres the link im sure there are others as well.

articles.kspr.com...

reply to post by antar


Wow So lucky you're My Friend have such great event..Well done Ms Antar I believe in You, i dont believe we are the only one living thing on this Universe were Million Galaxy out there..
i will keep up your thread..SnF

When i search on youtube i only find this..

AlphaExray
reply to post by antar

 

You have a good attitude Antar. Some people here have taken into looking into properly investigating the incident, while others have already begun to offer ways to explain it away. Perhaps something conclusive will shed light on the situation in the coming days. I suspect it will be difficult to find witnessed given that you live in a rural area, and the chances of corroboration are slim. If you spend time around towns who are accustomed to air force activity, you will notice how few are the people who look up. Terre Haute comes to mind. It can be quite maddening to try and convince others that what you have experienced is real. Even if you had the pictures to back it up, you would still have the nay sayers. I was foolish enough to post classified documents to back up my credentials when posting on more conventional scientific concerns and people still blew me off, made jokes, and questioned my sanity. It takes courage to come out and say you saw what looked like a flying saucer being hunted down by jets. Opinion really is not relevant. In truth, mankind will always be dragged into the future kicking and screaming, but it is those who look up who make life interesting.

AX
FTNWO

The problem as it stands now is that she doesn't seem willing to give a more detailed account of her experience. Given the fact she's had a busy day and claims this was a huge event for her, I'll give her some time (for now). However, if a more detailed explanation isn't forthcoming, I will be inclined to doubt her story altogether. Thus far I have tried to give her the benefit of the doubt and do some research to try and find a logical explanation for her testimony, but if no effort is made on her part to clarify what she witnessed I will chalk this up to nothing more than a wild imagination, a hoax, or a hallucination.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Nyiah

 

Missouri is home to a number of different interesting places. You have Whiteman which is home to, among other aircraft, the B-2 fleet. You also have Boeing Fighter which makes the F-18 and F-15, and most interesting of all, Boeing Phantom Works.

It almost certainly not from Whiteman. They have the B-2, T-38, and A-10. There are other units around though, that fly F-15s.

As for practice, training goes on all the time as long as they have money in the budget.

Had no idea thats all that whiteman had!
It could be aircraft from anywhere.. including Offutt. They dont have to be based at an AFB to "visit", either.
What do you think the odds are if aircraft were over that way that it was returning craft from the super bowl security nonsense? I have no idea about that or what all they had where... and no one knows the flight plans.. well not us joe or jane public anyway.

Witness2008
reply to post by Advantage

 

Ya. I heard about those billion dollar runways. Seems that the airlines that did fly out of MidAmerica were short lived in the commercial business. Perhaps someone wants to keep those runways for themselves.

Didn't Mid America apply for a spaceport license when they were building it? That's what I seem to recall. It stood out in my mind because I didn't know we had a need for spaceports at that time.

TrulyColorBlind

Witness2008
reply to post by Advantage

 

Ya. I heard about those billion dollar runways. Seems that the airlines that did fly out of MidAmerica were short lived in the commercial business. Perhaps someone wants to keep those runways for themselves.

Didn't Mid America apply for a spaceport license when they were building it? That's what I seem to recall. It stood out in my mind because I didn't know we had a need for spaceports at that time.

Well.. thats one I havent heard. LOL! I know .. it was like 1-2 yrs ago.. they were talking up the chinese hub thing.... but maybe the spaceport talk was before I came here.

reply to post by DeadSeraph


I, for one, would like to discount the "just a training exercise" excuse.

Sonic booms were outlawed in the U.S. over populated areas for "training exercises" a LONG time ago.

The *only* reason a sonic boom would have happened in the scenario, as posted by Antar, is because the object being pursued was deemed a real threat, and speeds deemed necessary to attain and maintain approach would have to have been approved.

wiki.answers.com...

news.google.com...,605278

Actual Newspaper article showing the sonic boom being banned. April, 1973, Rome, Georgia.

Many links to be seen.

Now, either it was not sonic booms, OR, the pursuing aircraft had permission to attain those speeds. Or, it was explosions, mistaken as sonic booms.

Antar has every right to question this, as sonic booms are illegal. She could press this issue, and take it to the press under that pretext.

reply to post by Libertygal


we've been over this 1000 times. the location the OP claims to live at is not a populated area and is surrounded by 4 state parks. It is pretty much wilderness. The military is free to break the sound barrier in such areas (regardless of altitude) at their leisure.

reply to post by Libertygal


Not entirely true. There are several corridors the Air Force "own" where they can go as fast as they want. They tend to be near where aircraft are built and used for high speed testing. IIRC there is one near this area for Boeing use. One is over the Georgia/Tennessee area.

DeadSeraph
reply to post by Libertygal

 

we've been over this 1000 times. the location the OP claims to live at is not a populated area and is surrounded by 4 state parks. It is pretty much wilderness. The military is free to break the sound barrier in such areas (regardless of altitude) at their leisure.

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it wasnt training im pretty sure it was aircraft tests by Boeing see my previous post!!!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

DeadSeraph
reply to post by Libertygal

 

we've been over this 1000 times. the location the OP claims to live at is not a populated area and is surrounded by 4 state parks. It is pretty much wilderness. The military is free to break the sound barrier in such areas (regardless of altitude) at their leisure.

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Ok well, if you took the time to notice, the post I replied to was on page 17, and I had read every single post up to that point, and it hadn't been mentioned once.

But, thanks for biting my head off and crapping down my neck.

Libertygal
reply to post by DeadSeraph

I, for one, would like to discount the "just a training exercise" excuse.

Sonic booms were outlawed in the U.S. over populated areas for "training exercises" a LONG time ago.

Aside from the rest what she saw, why do you deliberately (want to) explain away the simply fact she heard sonic booms?
Not even that....SHE EVEN SAW THE PLANES WHICH CAUSED THEM.

Do we really need to debate the most obvious things?

If we do it that way that we look for the most outlandish and far-fetched "explanations", as opposed to the obvious ones...I am afraid to find out "the truth" will be a really long and stoney way : ) You should do research by eliminating the likely scenarios and leave the really unexplainable ones, NOT adding speculative scenarios to the others and see them as equally "likely", because then you just do the opposite, instead of finding out what really happened just add more "speculative" scenarios...worse even if that happens because of a bias or belief.

If someone heard a boom and claims it's likely because a UFO got shot down..I am sorry, that's what it is. A BELIEF. And it makes the story (her description of what she saw) not exactly more credible.

Libertygal

DeadSeraph
reply to post by Libertygal

 

we've been over this 1000 times. the location the OP claims to live at is not a populated area and is surrounded by 4 state parks. It is pretty much wilderness. The military is free to break the sound barrier in such areas (regardless of altitude) at their leisure.

edit on 4-2-2014 by DeadSeraph because: (no reason given)

Ok well, if you took the time to notice, the post I replied to was on page 17, and I had read every single post up to that point, and it hadn't been mentioned once.

But, thanks for biting my head off and crapping down my neck.

Lol I didn't think I was biting off your head and crapping down your neck? Wow. You should see me when I'm angry!

reply to post by antar


So first I would like to address all the rude, thoughtless comments directed towards Antar. There is a difference between asking sound questions and being insulting. This is a gray area. If you don't believe than that is fine...but don't be rude. If you have nothing useful to add than please, find another thread to read. I get a bit irritated when I see that most of the insults are being flung by members that haven't even read half as many posts as Antar has written. Here on ATS, we try to show respect, even if we don't agree. Mature debates are one of the founding elements of this site. Let's not trash it.

ANTAR: Sounds like you witnessed something that really rattled you! I know that it would take a lot to do that. I totally believe that you saw something that obviously confused you and is hard for you to wrap your brain around. I would love to try and help you to at least figure part of it out.

First of all, the sun halo. I've posted many images of halos here on ATS...I am wondering if it was a normal halo you saw? If so, maybe that part of the episode can be eliminated as a naturally occurring event.

Did it look like this?


They can sometimes be very vivid like the image above, or also a bit muted, like this one if there is any kind of high cloud coverage:


This is a fire rainbow:


Halo with double sun dogs:



SO...I hope that this might help to at least ease your mind on the sun halo part? Perhaps a coincidence?


As to the jets: Since there IS an airforce base nearby, do you think it possible that they might have been going after a drone? I know this has already been suggested, but who knows...they could have some bizarre looking drones out there. or maybe even a drone that wasn't one of our own??

I think that the reports dating past the last couple of months about loud booms in the area is very, very interesting. It could allude to some continuous military activity in the area. I know that they generally avoid causing sonic booms, and I am sure you would have been accustomed to hearing them if it were typical.

Do any of the plane pictures posted by others look similar to what you saw? Maybe do some searching for drone images.

How is your face? I don't really have any suggestions for this. It's really strange, if you weren't outside for long. How bad of a burn is it? Is it similar to a day at the beach, or worse? Any blisters? Were you outside long? I know it is likely cold out, but if there were high clouds, they can actually cause you to burn worse than on a warm day. Be sure to be seen by the doc if it's very bad! I can't imagine what else would have caused it.

Also...just how low were these jets? Like, tree-top, several hundred feet or a couple thousand? How close were they to you? Directly over-head, a couple hundred feet away, less than a mile, or a few miles??

Take care Antar. I hope that some other personal accounts pop up so that you can get some answers. I know you are the type of person that likes to get to the bottom of things.

Westcoast

A lot of nuclear activity in the area,factor or not
www.huffingtonpost.com...
insert thumbs up

reply to post by dragonridr


Thanks for the polite explanation. Glad to see some manners, and not rabies.

I was not aware of the corridors where testing was allowed, that's very interesting. I am going to look further into that.

Yet, and still, I do not discount Antars' accounting. I believe she saw something, and that eventually, an explanation may be found.

Thanks for adding to the knowledge base in a helpful manner. Much appreciated!

Worthy to mention that she did not reply/confirm to several halo pics already posted in the thread.

She could have long ago said "Oh no, this doesn't look in the slightest like it"...or "Oh yes, that's what I saw".
Why not? The sun halo thing could've debunked or have been confirmed as being something else LOOONG ago already.
So..makes me wonder why she didn't reply to those inputs...MAYBE she realized that's what she saw and wants to avoid ridicule?
(Just saying...)

reply to post by DeadSeraph


You may not have intended it that way, but at least to me, it came across that way.

Just forget it, and move on, in the scheme of things, it isn't important, finding out what happened is.

The thread is huge, and getting bigger all the time, and being a latecomer, I should have done as some others, and read backwards. I had no idea how huge it was...

So, apologies for any misunderstandings.

reply to post by Libertygal


I have been civil through this entire thread, and have not once attacked anyone or done anything other than try to offer a possible explanation for what the OP might have witnessed. I have been courteous, put in my own effort and time, and extended my patience.

Apparently all of that amounts to ripping someones head off and crapping down their neck. With that, I'm done with this thread. Have it your way.

NoRulesAllowed
Worthy to mention that she did not reply/confirm to several halo pics already posted in the thread.

She could have long ago said "Oh no, this doesn't look in the slightest like it"...or "Oh yes, that's what I saw".
Why not? The sun halo thing could've debunked or have been confirmed as being something else LOOONG ago already.
So..makes me wonder why she didn't reply to those inputs...MAYBE she realized that's what she saw and wants to avoid ridicule?
(Just saying...)

Well, being a latecomer to this thread has some advantages. Early on in the thread, someone did post a halo pic, to which she did reply, and said yes, it was something like that. It was early on, page 10ish, if I had to hazard a guess, but I distinctly remember her replying.

I don't think she has to, nor can, reply to every post, and has since gone to bed.

She's had a mentally and emotionally exhausting day. Let's give some latitude here.