Deciphering the Pagan Stones

a reply to: zardust

a reply to: beansidhe

Did you know the hippocampus in the brain, which is named after the hippocampus/seahorse, has as one of its main functions

SPATIAL MEMORY AND NAVIGATION

Lol.

originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: beansidhe

Did you know the hippocampus in the brain, which is named after the hippocampus/seahorse, has as one of its main functions

SPATIAL MEMORY AND NAVIGATION

Ha ha! Navigation - that makes sense! Nice one!

I was up in Pictland again today, seeing my Dad who is pretty ill. He spent his life on fishing boats. It was the way he said 'Peterhead', more like pettr -as the Norse are said to have called the Picts, that put them into my mind, while talking about the fishing industry. Anyway, it must have all simmered in there for a while, and I wondered about their fishing and sailing abilities. They were said to have been pirates (but then they would be, of course) but they would also have fished for their families.
Notwithstanding the Sea Peoples connection, the 'settled' Picts would still have fished.
My Dad showed me this 'Mariner's quadrant' - it was an eye opener:



Maritime History

It says in that article linked that these were introduced by the Arabs in the 10th c. I wonder. There's an uncanny similarity in the angles.

originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: Logarock

Everything in that post was fascinating, but I had no idea about the earlier zodiac. I wonder what it used to be?

There is a good book on this out there by Joseph Seiss. Its actually an ancient zodiac that has survived to this day. Once you learn it or of it its easy to see how the pagans and why the pagans corrupted it or superimposed on it if you will. Why? because it told a story like prophecy in the sky that really didn't support the worldwide system established by Gilgamesh and his decedents. This superimposition was mentioned by Paul the apostle in Romans chapter 1 where he talks about the pagans turning the glory into all "sorts of creeping things".

Besides the individual corruptions of the zodiacal figures themselves the idea that the stars could tell the future was a corruption of the future story of earths history laid out in the original zodiac. There are many but one we would all understand is that the original Virgo the Virgin. She has a star in her hand which in its original means "the seed'. I don't think I need to elaborate as we all know the story. What is profound is that we see a level of destiny that is nearly incomprehensible. When that poor Jewish girl.......well its no wonder she had a visit by the head chief heavenly messenger himself. When this woman was born she was already foretold in the stars as was her seed. Now some may say this is less personal and had to with the promise to Eve that a woman would produce a "seed" that would bruise satans head but Mary makes it real personal. Thus even as the pagans have it, an element of truth in the corruption, our history, the future is in the stars.

originally posted by: Wifibrains
a reply to: beansidhe

Wiki tends to agree!

Many of these constellations were recognized by authorities for long periods of time, even centuries in many cases, which means they have historical value

So where is the history?

Vatican archives most probably.

Amazingly it was preserved by the Chaldeans for one. Maybe the Zoroastrians not sure.

a reply to: Logarock

I found Joseph Seiss' book online, The Gospel in the Stars.
I've only had a chance to skim through it, but it's really intriguing. He lists 12 major constellations and 36 Decans, with three assigned to each major constellation.

The Sepphoris mosaic is an example of an early Hebrew zodiac:





There seems to be a double disc icon here, too?

a reply to: Logarock

I would say that the story was preserved in all cultures. At least a remnant of it.

Also as to the zodiac and the story that it tells, I believe it tells of the ages of men in time, and also the ages of man, as he "grows up into the head even Christ". The virgin that carried the seed was Mary, 2000 years ago, but she is also each one of us. "Until Christ be formed in You".

a reply to: zardust


Well that sounds good but it looks like, if you follow the so called original, that Mary had her very own constellation prophesying of her "seed'. I understand that the implications are to staggering to grasp but I like it more than this generalized hive idea. I mean really how much comfort is there in this outside a the very specific pinpoint meaning and happening? We are not waves in the sea but more like snowflakes. It should make you stand up and take notice of your personal destiny and individuality in the universe. Her Son said "not a single sparrow falls to the ground that your Father doesn't see it". Really? And "the very hairs of your head are numbered". Really? No this whole thing is much more personal than we care to spend time thinking about. So the guy that "made Orion and the Pleiades " (Amos) wants to create a personal constellation for the little poor Jewish girl that gave birth to His Son? And place it in the sky thousands of years before she was ever born? Now that's the sort of thing I can really appreciate.

a reply to: Logarock

Thats great for Mary, but you don't have a specific constellation in the sky named for you, so I don't see how that is more personal, Mary excepted.

I'm not giving you a general meaning, that is kinda sorta about you. Virgo is about you, and me being the bride, as the new temple. Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius, etc. They are all about the revealing of Christ IN YOU.

But thats just me. Not saying you're understanding is wrong. Its just a different level. (google Pardes)

I.. sigh.

We are talking about stones long before 'Christ' on any level.

That's plenty, should be.


Sake man, every time..

a reply to: Ramcheck

Sorry Ram, I don't want to derail the thread. Unfortunately you won't get very far without some religious intonations because those stones very likely are "religious". There was no separation between church and "state" back then. Religion was a part of everything. And the purpose of the thread is to decipher the stones, so if you aren't barking up that tree you are likely missing a big piece of the puzzle. With that I am going to back off for now, as the fruitfulness of the discussion has ended currently, as far as I have anything to offer.

a reply to: zardust

The stones with crosses yeah, the Celtic cross. Personally I am only really interested in the pre-Christan stones tbh. The origins of..

Sorry, carry on please. Never mind me.

I realise the Christian Celtic Crosses will come up at some point, several points. I just really dislike them to be honest, and I'm far more interested in Pre-Christian stones. Forget it, just me being an ass.

a reply to: Ramcheck

You're good man. The history here is pre christian as far as the stones or the vast majority of them.

originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: Logarock

Thats great for Mary, but you don't have a specific constellation in the sky named for you, so I don't see how that is more personal, Mary excepted.

Well its a big universe so who knows, maybe, out there somewhere. lol At any rate the hairs of our head are numbered and that's about all the attention I am comfortable with at this point. Really!

a reply to: Ramcheck

Insnt it possible that Christianity is a rehash of something much older with a twist?





I think the way that cross is sectioned is interesting, because it still shows the ancient cross and circle at the top, you can see how they slowly changed it to the elongated cross, like how they changed the meaning of words over time too, to steer us away from "it"

a reply to: Wifibrains

It looks more like the real story got hijacked by the pagans.

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: Wifibrains

It looks more like the real story got hijacked by the pagans.

Perhaps! It only stirs the pot adding to the brew though. Acquired taste?

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: Wifibrains

It looks more like the real story got hijacked by the pagans.

The Sepphoris Mosaic was from around the 5th c (and the author here is quite annoyed by the fact there is a zodiac!) and these pagans seem to come in all creeds! A Hebrew zodiac - but that's sort of like the corrupted priests you were talking about, I suppose years and years earlier, perhaps.

isites.harvard

Anyway, here is the (roughly) contemporary image again of a double disc, and it is described in the 'offerings at the tabernacle' section as showing the first fruits of the season. The summer season being represented by the golden disc, the winter by the gray disc.



I really think our double discs are the same sun discs, shown over and over again from Babylon onwards. They show the equinox, the continuity of life/death, birth/rebirth etc that appear in celtic stories.
I just wanted to find out what those ones were above, and since they seem to agree with all our other theories, I'm happy!

originally posted by: Ramcheck
a reply to: zardust

The stones with crosses yeah, the Celtic cross. Personally I am only really interested in the pre-Christan stones tbh. The origins of..

Sorry, carry on please. Never mind me.

I've got a bit more time tomorrow, so I want to gather up all the bits we know now about the symbols and sort out what we don't know. If that makes sense?
We've got answers for some of the symbols, suggestions for a few and there's still some we haven't looked at yet. Once we get a sense of what we do have, the unknowns should be more obvious. Now we have a sense of who was where, and how the Picts might have absorbed these ideas, it'll be easier to work out possible answers.

I know what I mean, although it might not be obvious from that explanation, lol! It'll make sense when I write it up.