Deciphering the Pagan Stones

a reply to: Logarock

I find it mind-boggling.
To argue that it is more reasonable to accept that an unquantifiable cosmic-bloop happens, and people start using the same iconography across ages and geography as opposed to accepting that people in the past spoke to each other, fell in love, argued, shared ideas, followed fashions, shared meals, copied new ideas, felt inspired by foreign beliefs - had human relationships -is wonky thinking at its finest. The former is far more bizarre, ironically, than the latter and yet it is the dogma that is more easily swallowed.

'Continuity of practice does not mean identity of practice'. Well, no, no it doesn't, but it certainly suggests communication?! A shared motif, a loose association with the parent symbol, at the very least.

I want to find just one more double disc like the Minoan, from a potential neighbour, to be certain because 3 groups using the same symbol can not be written off as coincidence.

a reply to: Wifibrains



Now that is spooky, lol!

Hittite, 2nd millenium BC:



Harvard Art Museum

Are we looking at a symbol of reincarnation, best explained by the sun's perpetual rebirth as it travels along it's annual ecliptic path?

originally posted by: beansidhe
Minoan empire was from 2000 BC -1400BC.

If I can find just one contemporaneous example amongst their neighbours, I'll be convinced!

Shouldn't the map read Etruscan rather than Italians at that time? Amongst others. Do we know if there was much contact or trade between the Minoan and Etruscan / Phoenicians?

originally posted by: beansidhe
Haha! My first foray into Galician folklore and guess what?

"The legends about them (fairies) are widespread all over Galicia. There are no remains of feudal castles, monasteries nor other buildings, grottos or cave, castros, burial mounds, dolmens and other prehistoric monuments, which have not got its own legend. The same happens with the pools of lakes and rivers, and the still waters of lakes and lagoons. Whether a very beautiful woman who, combing her hair with a golden comb, appears where hidden treasures are kept safe - and beware those who dare to look at her, or talk to her and cannot disenchant her..."

www.udc.es...

Some Galicians, like in Log's clip:

Well Carlos Nuñez & The Chieftains are way ahead of us there

a reply to: Ramcheck

These sea peoples were trading and raiding with each other, certainly.
Etruscans were later, about 400BC or so, but yes, technically Italy was not called Italy in 2000 BC, (probably).
All of these Med/north African groups were in contact, and over the other way too, to the Hittites and Black sea groups.

Phoenicians kind of bridged the gap (1500 BC to 300-200 BC) in time, and they most certainly were moving and talking by sea.

Carlos Nunez has just nicked some Scottish music in my mind, but he hasn't, has he? That really is Galician music. Old, traditional Celtic stuff. If that can survive for 2000 years +, then surely symbols can be communicated in their pure form and survive millenia too.

originally posted by: beansidhe
Hittite, 2nd millenium BC:

Harvard Art Museum

Hittites. Abrahams wife, Sarah was a Hittite if you look to that route. Important woman there as requirements of the nation of Israle came through her and passed to her offspring by Isaac. Israelites always had important Hittites hanging around. English/German is closely related to Hittite.

originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: Logarock



'Continuity of practice does not mean identity of practice'. Well, no, no it doesn't, but it certainly suggests communication?! A shared motif, a loose association with the parent symbol, at the very least.

This comment sounds like some sort of maxim but it falls apart so often under close cross cultural icon sharing coupled with interpretation as to be meaningless in my rather researched opinion.

a reply to: Logarock

The Galician music that you and Ram posted just blows it apart, really. If you accept a piece of music as a symbol, then identity is of paramount importance!
The Scots and the Galicians identify with their traditional music, and like a symbol, so much cultural meaning is carried by a single tune.
It's just such a good example of continuity and identity of practice!

I posted about the mirror in my "secret doors and hidden passages" thread. I'll quote it here for a little looksee.

originally posted by: Wifibrains
There is this One door....

... it can take you to a place full of mirrors.

Everywhere you look you see your own reflection. Everyone is saying the same thing. Some strive to attain the experience, while some...

The door can behave like a simulator, re-shaping present reality into a complete oneness experience.

I have been looking at the notched rectangles, and their position on the carving seem to represent a celestial doorway. If you want to get aincient aliens about it, a stargate.







Any rocks with them placed low down in the scenes depicted?

a reply to: Wifibrains

Doorway? Now that's an inspired idea.
Let me have a look for you.

Divided rectangles

17 are listed, and of those some are just fragments of stone. There doesn't seem to be a rule about where the rectangle appears - it can be above, beside or below other symbols.
Of these, though:







It seems important to show that one notch is on the left and one is on the right, diagonally across from each other. That seems to be consistent.

a reply to: Logarock

Sarah would have known about these then. Who knew?

The evidence for Roman and pre-Roman era bagpipes is still uncertain but several textual and visual clues have been suggested. The Oxford History of Music says that a sculpture of bagpipes has been found on a Hittite slab at Euyuk in the Middle East, dated to 1000 BC.

History of bagpipes



Hittite bagpipes

a reply to: beansidhe

Could those be doorway representations? Some sort of mystic doorway?

a reply to: Wifibrains

Sorry there Wifi I was scrolling up. But wow I was thinking of that same door way!

a reply to: beansidhe..

Nice find there with the Hittite bagpipe. And its the small sort like they still use there in Spain or Spine as the Welsh call it. Welsh pipes are the smaller sort.

Hay how about Portugal while we are in the area. Port of the Gauls. That's where the O'Neill's live now, Flight of the Earls, and still recognized there.

a reply to: Logarock

Portugal, oh yes, of course!
I really like the doorway idea, I think it fits well with Celtic beliefs and stories. It's 'otherworld-y' enough to feel right. The symbol has come from somewhere, we just need to find it, lol!

a reply to: beansidhe


Its one of those very old ideas. Looking around one finds them everywhere. Psych job. lol



Great Link

a reply to: Logarock

Psych job indeed, lol! Great article - Malta is a fascinating place.

I think we owe Wifi a drink



False doors