Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

Bybyots

In a nutshell? He described it as that force that steps forward when the magician attempts to speak of "The Mysteries" and ensures that said magician sounds like a jackass.

The moral of the story is always speak in riddles and word salad.

I suppose you, GUT, are going to discuss Bramely's theory. I am shaky, but it basically posited that we've been in the thrall of an "alien" ruling group that thrived on war and bad ju-ju and these dudes were/are responsible for all the ills we, as created slave-humans, experience on the macro level, right?

Wars, pograms, tribal/clan brutality, power role-playing... all the crap that any semi-intelligent ape knows is sub-moronic.

Didn't Bramely posit some human (maybe not completely) uber-class that rules us all... super-duper free mason/ royal/ Jew banker types? That these fellows have started all wars and class strife... that they feed on the bad vibes? Or maybe just get their jollies from it?

It's murky... any good synopsis out there? I don't think there are Cliff's Notes on Gods of Eden. Off to Google I go.

Edit: But the main thing I remember is that the theory was short on substance... just pointed at the end results and posited these bastards... but then I tend to skim!

nugget1
Yes. And I blame that book for taking me out of the mainstream existence and dropping me in a world of my own.

I've been thinking about the questions you asked regarding some of our players and NIDS for a couple of days now. I admit, I'm stumped, too.

They claim to have established, for example, that there was what Col. Alexander calls the precognitive sentient phenomena present at the ranch. Vallee himself,however, as one of the advisory scientists for NIDS dodges questions about Skinwalker and states his confidentiality agreement on why he won't comment.

That doesn't make sense to me because Bigelow let Colm Kelleher and a mere journalist (George Knapp) write a book about it. Alexander is obviously also free to discuss it.

So why won't they let Vallee discuss it? Or maybe he doesn't want to discuss it for some reason ? That seems more likely given his stature as a scientist. Knapp but not Vallee?

Maybe Vallee doesn't agree with the conclusions--or maybe even BS--pushed by Alexander/Kelleher/Knapp?

Baddogma
Edit: But the main thing I remember is that the theory was short on substance... just pointed at the end results and posited these bastards... but then I tend to skim!

Yeah, you remember correctly. I'm not proposing Bramley's version as he details, but rather the overall concept. Are we as Vallee has suggested:

"Human beings are under the control of a strange force that bends them in absurd ways, forcing them to play a role in a bizarre game of deception." ~ Dr. Jacques Vallee, Messengers of Deception, p. 20

It seems to me, when brainstorming something, you can add as many details as possible, making it very complex, or start removing all of the details you possibly can which may get you closer to the 'source'.

The deeper this goes, the more confusion it might create?
( I would use a big word like obfisication, but I don't know how to spell it.:mnky

reply to post by The GUT


I own it. I think it's junky personally.
I think "flying serpents and dragons" is much better but it's junk too.

In my opinion no physical annunaki or fallen angel types ever existed physically.

Now 'energetically' or in some quantum dream time way --- I say that needs to be considered as a real possibility.

reply to post by Bybyots


I love you utterly.

of course I feel that way towards most most of the time.

well I'm glad that I'm preaching to the choir.

I like to sing.

I think the other tricksters like me finally.
Only time will tell.

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Kelly...chill, I wasn’t, I SWEAR, referring to you buddy.

Just a little parody and humor

Familiarity breeds contempt

We have to keep things fresh

reply to post by The GUT


I think that all living beings of a certain complexity are or are linked to tricksters.

but tricksters can evolve out of their infantile ass hole phase. They just need to be exposed to other more mature tricksters.

humans are victims to some and teachers to others at the same time.

It's also possible to be a "tricksters" "trickster" or in other words a good and cheap date who is fun to party with.

I know that i come across as arrogant and don't quote many references...but together we are creating some thing new here. .A new future.

It's like in the matrix when neo starts to believe....He doesn't quote anyone not even the oracle.

I think that various people will soon be acting more like neo soon. This isn't about Kevin at all.

my 2 cents.

reply to post by The GUT


I have a copy of that book...I read years ago.
I would say it’s not outstanding. A little too negative though it’s of course somewhat justified to be negative in this world.
He has a non spooky ancient negative alien theory

Willtell
I would say it’s not outstanding. A little too negative though it’s of course somewhat justified to be negative in this world.
He has a non spooky ancient negative alien theory.

Don't I recall you agreeing that there were both good and bad "aliens?" If so, why is it negative to want to identify the intentions and motives of those that might have plans that don't have our best interest at heart? Because the "good" ones are going to fix everything without our help? Is that what you mean?

reply to post by The GUT


Skinwalker ranch may not be his cup of tea, he is so intellectual, I see him not wanting to get into the spooky stuff like spirits and alien monsters, though I could be wrong.

Willtell
Skinwalker ranch may not be his cup of tea, he is so intellectual, I see him not wanting to get into the spooky stuff like spirits and alien monsters, though I could be wrong.

The statement posted earlier would seem to negate that, unless he's really a Jungian at heart and just blowing smoke up our behinds with the IDH:

"Human beings are under the control of a strange force that bends them in absurd ways, forcing them to play a role in a bizarre game of deception." ~ Dr. Jacques Vallee, Messengers of Deception, p. 20

reply to post by BlueMule


nonsense.

I think I finally figured it out.

The only problem is when some trickster (sorcerer shaman mystic magician)
Gets uppity and thinks that he has evolved past being a 'mere' trickster.

If you do that every other trickster in reality comes for you with fangs bared.

just honor all tricksters as equals and they will like you. Be a fun dude and they will love you

Just my 2 cents.

Just part of my way of having fun

your mileage may vary

reply to post by The GUT


My term negative isn’t meant critically but to suggest that aliens, as I recall he did in that book (though I read it years ago) have caused wars and mischief.

There is a possibility that these visitors are a part of the hierarchy of the universe in an objective sense.

They may have the access to the control room. That remains to be seen.

Ultimately there is no devil

Some primary intelligence controls the negative and positive
So you have to consider the word “good” in terms of “good” to whom?

If the primary intelligence controls this phenomenon as an objective intervention then a lot of people are in trouble.

And that's good for some and bad for others.

reply to post by The GUT


In my opinion everything starts negative until it's learned there may be more benefits to playing nice.

but sometimes food is just food not a partner.

reply to post by The GUT


I concede to your familiarity with Mr. Vallee’s work and my stereotype may not be accurate.
It doesn’t matter because I think we have more answers here than he does.

Vallee is a point of concentration.

reply to post by Willtell


I truly think that 'gods kids' run things....There is no master will except in the broadest possible way.

The grand babies squabble and fight and play.

The old man and old lady laugh and keep making love forever and delight in *anything* that the kids do.

Btw I always have solid observations behind what I say but of course can prove nothing to another who hasn't experienced the same thing.

It's the way of things in these matters.

Willtell
There is a possibility that these visitors are a part of the hierarchy of the universe in an objective sense.

Do you think they manifest to some folk and communicate? I know you have some experience, so how would you classify "them?" Planetary in nature (ET) or something else?

Every time I check in and there are two new pages of posts, I read them, and discover that I am utterly confused. I have to remind myself, what the hell were we talking about again??

It's one thing to occasionally have a post about this or that, as every topic side-swipes other topics. Can't let that get out of hand or...

It feels like WHACK-A-MOLE.

I have a big fat hammer and everybody we talk about seems like a rodent.