Growing up unvaccinated: This is what happens when your parents refuse

reply to post by hudsonhawk69


The risk is to other unvaccinated folks and kids and, of course, the few vaccinated kids and adults that weren't adequately protected by their vaccinations, which admittedly happens.

The danger isn't to my kids, btw, as they are non existent and/or decomposing in various landfills and sewers, wrapped in latex shrouds.

And yes, my butt frequently hurts, thank you for inquiring. I hope you will look into it for me.

From an evolutionary standpoint I think people who don't want to get vaccinated shouldn't have to, by making anyone get vaccinated we are actually helping the stupid survive. This is one of those things where we let stupid people do what they want and the problem will take care of its self.
lol i wonder how much medical marijuana it would take to cure polio, that stuff is supposed to be some miracle cure that can cure everything but never actually cured anything?

I'm seriously torn on this topic and have been for some time. I'm opposed to the government forcing anyone to do anything unless they are harming someone other than themselves. I'm also opposed to parents doing anything that can or does harm their own children. That makes this a tough subject.

I believe children can be and are being harmed due to bad decisions made by parents based on baseless paranoia of vaccines. Clearly bad reactions to vaccines are very rare, while millions if not tens of millions of people alive today are alive thanks to vaccines.

I tend to not hold the parents who hold these wrong minded beliefs as guilty as I do those who spread the myths, lies and deadly idea's that vaccines are dangerous enough to justify denying them to children. People who use bad sources to spread lies and fear that harm children are guilty and answerable for any harm they cause to others in my opinion.

Most of you may have read this article I'm linking to and if it is already in this thread please forgive me.

I'm here right now reading to take my mind off a friend and coworker who is the hospital right now. He is a person who thinks all MD's and Big Pharma are out to get him. In just the last two months it has bit him on the butt a couple of times. He had a heart attack a couple of years ago and refused to take the medicines prescribed to him to dissolve the clots. He had a stroke as a direct result. It has damaged the part of his brain involved with speech and he cannot now communicate other than with a pen and paper. He will never be able to work again in his profession as a result of believing lies similar to the myths that surround vaccines.

A couple of months ago he ended up in the emergency room due to internal bleeding. He was convinced by people with no medical degree that taking small amounts of a strong mixture of hydrogen peroxide and water would help him. After a year of taking a little with water every day he nearly bled to death and that was the cause.

He has piles of worthless books and magazines where he gets all this false information that is trying to kill him right now. Who is responsible if he had died and the MD's he's so afraid of due to the lies, had not saved his life? The lady at a local so called health food store that sold him the hydrogen peroxide and encouraged it's use? The conspiracy magazines that convinced him to not take the drugs that would have prevented his stroke?

Who is responsible for the children that will die and suffer from having vaccines wrongly withheld from them?

We did not have many of these vaccines. I still remember the weeks of misery as a child from the Whooping Cough, the misery of Rubella and greatly reduced sperm count I had to deal with, caused by the Mumps at to old an age. I wish we had, had those vaccines.

hudsonhawk69

ladybug121
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

I have a sister in law who is not giving her children vaccines. I'm wondering the outcome of it. I hope the kids end up okay.

My children have not been vaccinated and they are fine.

Thanks to other people with less ignorance that have had their children vaccinated.

Btw: I'm not from the U.S, But I still feel responsible to my fellow humans. Instead of just crying me, me, me! Try to be a little bit less egotistical, it's not just your rights, but also everyone elses right to not get sick from preventable diseases. It's called beeing part of society.
There doesn't need to be any food shortage if we can distribute more evenly, but your obvious hatred of mankind doesn't seem to cherish that idea

I realise this link will be a little off topic but since some of the onus has shifted to the saviour of the universe Mike Adams, the Health Rager (spelling intended) I thought I might give you a little back ground on him.

Mike makes money from people's fear and ignorance. He's always done that and not necessarily in the health field.
Originally he made his money profiteering off the Y2K scam.
healthwyze.org...

Obviously things dried up for Mike after the year 2000 when absolutely nothing happened so he turned elsewhere to use his "special" brand of marketing and then started NN.
And the gullibles have lapped it up.

Absolutely EVERYTHING that is posted on that website is dubious and needs checking properly.

But, as I've said in other threads, it's really tempting me to start a website like that because it's true that people will believe anything and will quite happily pay for the privilege.
Money for old rope.

VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Pardon?

 

How about you jog on, hmm? This is America jack; not some country ruled by an authoritarian dictator like your queen. It goes against our very Constitution to enact what you just insinuated... You can't just force people to take shots or faulty medicine that they don't want, nor is it any of your god damned business to say that we don't have the right to decide for ourselves, or even that our kids should be taken away from us for not complying.. That violates our free will, and right to govern our own lifes; that's not what government is for..

You've just confirmed what I suggested.
Thanks.

MOSTwanted
reply to post by carabao

 

Here, from your favorite source... you decide why this article even exists, if vaccines are so safe. Can you read between the slanted lines?

Adverse events following immunization[edit]

All vaccines may cause side effects, and immunization safety is a real concern. Unlike most other medical interventions, vaccines are given to healthy people, and people are far less willing to tolerate vaccines' adverse effects than adverse effects of other treatments. As the success of immunization programs increases and the incidence of disease decreases, public attention shifts away from the risks of disease to the risk of vaccination.[2]
Concerns about immunization safety often follow a pattern. First, some investigators suggest that a medical condition of increasing prevalence or unknown cause is an adverse effect of vaccination. The initial study, and subsequent studies by the same group, have inadequate methodology, typically a poorly controlled or uncontrolled case series. A premature announcement is made of the alleged adverse effect, resonating with individuals suffering the condition, and underestimating the potential harm to those whom the vaccine could protect. The initial study is not reproduced by other groups. Finally, it takes several years to regain public confidence in the vaccine.[2]
Controversies in this area revolve around the question of whether the risks of adverse events following immunization outweigh the benefits of saving people from tragic outcomes of common diseases. There is some scientific evidence that immunizations can cause serious adverse effects, such as gelatin measles-mumps-rubella vaccine (MMR) causing anaphylaxis, a severe allergic reaction.[2] Controversy exists over whether conditions such as autism are caused by vaccines. Allegations particularly focus on the MMR vaccine and on thiomersal, a preservative that was used in vaccines routinely given to U.S. children less than 24 months of age prior to 2001.[3][4] Current scientific evidence does not support causation for these disorders.[2] Nearly 5,000 U.S. families of children diagnosed with autism have claims for compensation from a federal fund, saying that their health problems were caused by common childhood vaccines. In one case, the government conceded that the child had a pre-existing mitochondrial disorder with autism-like symptoms aggravated by five simultaneous immunizations.[5][6]
United States[edit]

Vaccine Injury Compensation Program[edit]
In 1988, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) went into effect to compensate individuals and families of individuals who have been injured by covered childhood vaccines.[7] The VICP was adopted in response to an earlier scare over the pertussis portion of the DPT vaccine. These claims were later generally discredited, but some U.S. lawsuits against vaccine makers won substantial awards; most makers ceased production, and the last remaining major manufacturer threatened to do so. It uses a no-fault alternative dispute resolution system for resolving vaccine injury claims. Funding for claims of harm after 1988 comes from a patient fee of 75 cents per vaccination. To win an award, a claimant must show a causal connection; if medical records show a child has one of several listed adverse effects soon after vaccination, the assumption is that it was caused by the vaccine. The proof standard is the civil-law preponderance of the evidence, showing that causation was more likely than not. Claims that are denied can be pursued in regular lawsuits, though this is rare. Some claimants are suing thimerosal makers instead of vaccine makers, filing class-action suits, or demanding monitoring for vaccinated children who do not show signs of autism.[1]
The VICP covers all vaccines listed on the Vaccine Injury Table[8] maintained by the Secretary of Health and Human Services. From 1988 until March 3, 2011, 5,636 claims relating to autism, and 8,119 non-autism claims, were made to the VICP. 2,620 of these claims, one autism-related, were compensated, with 4,463 non-autism and 814 autism claims dismissed; awards (including attorney's fees) totaled over $2 billion. The VICP also applies to claims for injuries suffered before 1988; there were 4,264 of these claims of which 1,189 were compensated with awards totaling $903 million.[9]

Did you think posting this would add credence to you anti-vaccine stance?
I suggest you read it again as it does quite the opposite.

Have a long, hard look at the figures quoted in the second part of your quote, and factor in the amounts "earned" by the anti-vax lawyers (around 30%).
Have a quick search for how many law firms specialising in vax compensation claims there are and then you may get an idea of where the anti-vax movement gets a fair bit of its "momentum" from.
Look again at the numbers in the second part of your quote and then compare it with the total number of vaccines given in the same time-periods (to give you a helping hand it numbers in the hundreds of millions).
Any perspective yet?

This should help.
Compare the numbers from the link below to the numbers you've quoted (and these are only from 2007).
www.jennymccarthybodycount.com...
Who can these people claim off?????

Still can't put things into perspective?
Well if you can't that suggests more of a problem with you yourself than it does with vaccines.

reply to post by Pardon?


Don't you see that you can't even sue the vaccine manufacturers? They are immune. Do u know any other companies immune from selling poison? You must support no labeling requirements on Gmo's. Because you believe what any organization tells you that has a lot of financial backing and the ability to bribe others to support their agenda. The stats in my post are unacceptable and although it's slanted in support of vaccines, how can you ignore the facts contained therein

MOSTwanted
reply to post by Pardon?

 

Don't you see that you can't even sue the vaccine manufacturers? They are immune. Do u know any other companies immune from selling poison? You must support no labeling requirements on Gmo's. Because you believe what any organization tells you that has a lot of financial backing and the ability to bribe others to support their agenda. The stats in my post are unacceptable and although it's slanted in support of vaccines, how can you ignore the facts contained therein

You CAN sue them though.
You can sue them if there's a problem with the vaccine e'g. if it's faulty.
You can sue them if you're not happy with the vaccine court's decision, granted, it's much harder to do but you can.
To turn the rest of your "argument" around...
Do you know of any other anti-health propagandists who put compensation money before a child's welfare?
You must support any old nonsense from "alternative" sites as it suits your agenda against "the man".

Using numbers of litigation cases as proof of a medical outcome is fallacious in the extreme, especially using American law.
Would you ask your lawyer to diagnose an illness for you?

And again, using your debating technique, how can you ignore the stats and the facts from the link I posted?

It is moreso a question of trust, than anything. Trusting the government that these vaccines are in the best interest of our children. So my question is merely, do you trust your government?

Just an observation.

reply to post by 3asya5pi3


Nowt to do with the government I trust the science behind them backed up with the fact they have already saved millions of lives already.

reply to post by boymonkey74


The science may be on point(and I agree has saved millions of lives), but ultimately on the larger scale the government is administering these vaccines. So you have to trust that what you require, is what you are receiving.

reply to post by 3asya5pi3


Seeing I have had many shots over the years and many of the people I care for have had them and not one has died...yes I do.
I know one co worker who got flu after the flu jab and she said she was already getting it.
If the Government wanted us dead they would do it in a better fashion than vaccines.

3asya5pi3
reply to post by boymonkey74

 

The science may be on point(and I agree has saved millions of lives), but ultimately on the larger scale the government is administering these vaccines. So you have to trust that what you require, is what you are receiving.

edit on 6-1-2014 by 3asya5pi3 because: grammar

Doctors and healthcare workers administer the vaccines, not the government.
Doctors and healthcare workers have recommended to the government that the vaccines are beneficial, not the other way round.

reply to post by boymonkey74

boymonkey74
reply to post by 3asya5pi3

 

Seeing I have had many shots over the years and many of the people I care for have had them and not one has died...yes I do.
I know one co worker who got flu after the flu jab and she said she was already getting it.
If the Government wanted us dead they would do it in a better fashion than vaccines.

As I said, it is merely a matter of trust. Personally, I was vaccinated as a child and I believe it helped to prevent me from contracting multiple diseases.

However there have been cases where such vaccines have caused horrible side effects. Perhaps there is nothing sinister about it? Perhaps there needs to be some sort of preliminary test before patients are vaccinated?

Regardless you have to see it from both perspectives. One being a parent watching their childs well being degrade drastically after a vaccine that they trusted was safe. Perhaps isolated cases, but just something to be aware of.

3asya5pi3
reply to post by boymonkey74

 

boymonkey74
reply to post by 3asya5pi3

 

Seeing I have had many shots over the years and many of the people I care for have had them and not one has died...yes I do.
I know one co worker who got flu after the flu jab and she said she was already getting it.
If the Government wanted us dead they would do it in a better fashion than vaccines.

As I said, it is merely a matter of trust. Personally, I was vaccinated as a child and I believe it helped to prevent me from contracting multiple diseases.

However there have been cases where such vaccines have caused horrible side effects. Perhaps there is nothing sinister about it? Perhaps there needs to be some sort of preliminary test before patients are vaccinated?

Regardless you have to see it from both perspectives. One being a parent watching their childs well being degrade drastically after a vaccine that they trusted was safe. Perhaps isolated cases, but just something to be aware of.

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edit on 6-1-2014 by 3asya5pi3 because: (no reason given)

More people get injured in accidents involving toilets than get injured by vaccines.
Any severe injury from a vaccine would probably be a severe allergic reaction which would happen within minutes or hours after administration. Not the weeks, months or years which people lie about in their fabricated stories.
As part of the vax protocol quite a few questions should be asked about the recipient's or their parent's medical history. Anything which is out of the ordinary should be investigated further prior to giving a vaccination.

Personally I am not buying what you are selling.
Anyone could come up with this mumbojumbo.

I have a grand that has not been nor will be vaccinated and has not been sick.
The others have stopped getting any vax.

My oldest got chicken pox and was vaccinated.

Check out

and

I have many more.

jibajaba
Personally I am not buying what you are selling.
Anyone could come up with this mumbojumbo.

I have a grand that has not been nor will be vaccinated and has not been sick.
The others have stopped getting any vax.

My oldest got chicken pox and was vaccinated.

Check out

and

I have many more.

"Dr" Tenpenny is even less credible than Mike Adams.

She's a self-professed "expert" on vaccines, certainly not an expert in any scientific aspect of the word.
Is she an immunologist?
No.
Is she a virologist?
No.
Is she a contagious disease specialist?
No.
Is she a paediatrician?
No.
Is she a biochemist?
No.
Is she a pharmacologist?
No.
Has she conducted any research into vaccines?
No.
Has she published any scientific papers on vaccines?
No.
In fact, is she a recognised medical doctor with provable results?
No (she's an osteopath).

However...
Does she sell books and t-shirts on her website?
YES!!!!
Does she have a disclaimer on her website?
YES!!!!
Did she blame vaccines for the Newtown shootings?
YES!!!! ( skeweddistribution.com... )



Once again, whilst there are people with your mindset there should be mandatory vaccinations.

reply to post by Pardon?


And you have confirmed what I've always believed about you...

reply to post by Pardon?


Seriously dude, bug off... It's none of your god damned business, none at all, to sit in another country and claim we should have mandatory vaccinations against our own free will. You know what other country pulled # like this? Nazi Germany.... Are you a Nazi?