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"I am the 70s child of a health nut. I wasn’t vaccinated" I was brought up on an incredibly healthy diet: no sugar till I was one, breastfed for over a year, organic homegrown vegetables, raw milk, no MSG, no additives, no aspartame. My mother used homeopathy, aromatherapy, osteopathy, we took daily supplements of vitamin C, echinacea, cod liver oil.
I had an outdoor lifestyle; I grew up next to a farm, walked everywhere, did sports and danced twice a week, drank plenty of water. I wasn’t even allowed pop; even my fresh juice was watered down to protect my teeth, and I would’ve killed for white, shop-bought bread in my lunch box once in a while and biscuits instead of fruit like all the other kids.
We only ate (organic local) meat maybe once or twice a week and my mother and father cooked everything from scratch – I have yet to taste a Findus crispy pancake and oven chips were reserved for those nights when mum and dad had friends over and we got a “treat.”
As healthy as my lifestyle seemed, I contracted measles, mumps, rubella, a type of viral meningitis, scarlatina, whooping cough, yearly tonsillitis, and chickenpox, some of which are vaccine preventable. In my twenties I got precancerous HPV and spent 6 months of my life wondering how I was going to tell my two children under the age of 7 that mummy might have cancer before it was safely removed.
So having the “natural immunity sterilised out of us” just doesn’t cut it for me. How could I, with my idyllic childhood and my amazing health food, get so freaking ill all the time?
My mother was the biggest health freak around–she would put most of my current “crunchy” friends to shame. She didn’t drink, she didn’t smoke, she didn’t do drugs and we certainly weren’t allowed to watch whatever we wanted on telly or wear plastic shoes or any of that stuff. She LIVED alternative health. And you know what? I’m glad she gave us the great diet that we had, I’m glad that she cared about us in that way.
But it just didn’t stop me getting childhood illnesses.
My two vaccinated children, on the other hand, have rarely been ill, have had antibiotics maybe twice in their lives, if that (not like me who got so many illnesses which needed treatment with antibiotics that I developed a resistance to them, which led me to be hospitalized with penicillin-resistant quinsy at 21–you know that old fashioned disease that killed Queen Elizabeth I and which was almost wiped out through use of antibiotics).
My kids have had no childhood illnesses other than chickenpox, which they both contracted while still breastfeeding. They too grew up on a healthy diet, homegrown organics etc. Not to the same extent as I did, though, as I was not quite as strict as my mother, but they are both healthier than I have ever been.
“If you think your child’s immune system is strong enough to fight off vaccine-preventable diseases, then it’s strong enough to fight off the tiny amounts of dead or weakened pathogens present in any of the vaccines.”
rubella
Those of you who have avoided childhood illnesses without vaccines are lucky. You couldn’t do it without us pro-vaxxers. Once the vaccination rates begin dropping, the less herd immunity will be able to protect your children. The more people you convert to your anti-vax stance, the quicker that luck will run out.
chickenpox
six67seven
reply to post by Grimpachi
That's fine. It just makes me uneasy when a child/baby is given 20 vaccines (exaggeration) in a short amount of time.
six67seven
reply to post by Grimpachi
That's fine. It just makes me uneasy when a child/baby is given 20 vaccines (exaggeration) in a short amount of time.
InverseLookingGlass
reply to post by six67seven
The OP is an anecdote, not even approaching science or actionable information.
26 injections before 15 months. This is fact.
schedule linked here
other little known facts:
0% of these substances have been safety tested on babies. No test has been done on multi-vax interactions on adults or children. You might ask then, why does the CDC believe they are safe to put in the psuedo-mandatory regime?
1. The single blind tests of a single vax on adults, conducted and documented by the drug companies do not show a "significant" number of serious side effects. There is no burden of proof of efficacy of protection against pathogens. Zero.
That's it. Feel safe yet? Welcome to the experiment on babies, you are probably participating. Sorry if you are one of the insignificant number of serious side effects. Prepare to be denied and victim shamed by the drug company PR machine.
Get profit motive out of health care science. It's a fundamental conflict of interest.
The hard part is making decisions for your baby. Every single parent wants to protect their child. Question is - what is the best course to follow? No one knows for sure.
theinsolentfish
reply to post by Grimpachi
you know its funny, i had had all of the normal vaccinations that a person should have 3 times yes thats right, ive had every single shot 3 times, and sofar the only problems medical wise that i have is the lack of cartalidge in my knees, and a sleep cycle issue (sofar undiagnosable). you see my parents were military, so i obviously got all the shots, but when my brother was born the military somehow mixed my brothers and my social security numbers, so i got them all again because the documentation said i had to have them, then when i was 16 they managed to fix our ssn issue just in time for me to not be able to file my taxes properly (woops!!) so then i joined the USAF when i was 20 and you know what? they couldent find my records again, someone in the military had lost track of them, so i got all the shots again! was so fun, and not a week later they found the old records, so now my shot record is 6 pages long, where most people get a page and a half. the only problem i have with shots is the stupid flu shots, years i get them i get sick and years i dont get them i dont get sick, why? i have no idea but thats how the game happens to run for me. i also dont like taking my kids in for shots, because they are too young to comprehend why i took them somplace to get hurt, i remember my daughter actually apologized to the nurse! like she had done somethign wrong, she was 2 so you could forgive her for not understanding, but it really upsets a man when his kid gets hurt, through no fault of their own and somehow they assume its their fault. but with that said, vaccinations are what have allowed humanity to get to where we are today, the steady progress of medical technologies have allowed us all to live much longer lives then otherwise. if you want a world where vaccinations didnt exist, you would have a world where 13 year olds married 15 year olds and had 15 children only 4 of which survived. i think anyone would agree that that is not a world anyone would really enjoy living in.
DJW001
reply to post by Grimpachi
There is a tipping point with vaccines. If enough people refuse to be vaccinated, diseases now thought to be rare or extinct will come roaring back. Don't let some idiot tell you that polio isn't bad.