Growing up unvaccinated: This is what happens when your parents refuse

jibajaba
Personally I am not buying what you are selling.
Anyone could come up with this mumbojumbo.

I have a grand that has not been nor will be vaccinated and has not been sick.
The others have stopped getting any vax.

My oldest got chicken pox and was vaccinated.

Check out

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I have many more.

Well.... tenpenny

Nudge, nudge, know what I mean, know what I mean... Saynomoresaynomore.... (Monty Phyton).

The reason your "grand"(?!?) haven't got sick is because others have had the mental fortitude to get the apropriate vaccines. Lucky you!

And I bet you got MANY more... Unfortunately....

VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Pardon?

 

Seriously dude, bug off... It's none of your god damned business, none at all, to sit in another country and claim we should have mandatory vaccinations against our own free will. You know what other country pulled # like this? Nazi Germany.... Are you a Nazi?

Congratulations on using the Godwin, well done.
You debating skills are second to all.

It's a small world these days. Disease can be transmitted between countries in hours.
What happens with you will happen with us and vice versa.
So who's saying this is just about America?
Only you.
Dude.
Typically selfish.

reply to post by Pardon?


And a weak argument on your part... Mind your business in your country and we'll mind ours, hmm?

VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Pardon?

 

And a weak argument on your part... Mind your business in your country and we'll mind ours, hmm?

Well that's the point.
You obviously can't mind your business very well can you?
So it's pretty clear you need "guidance".

And if that's the best "argument" you're able to muster then q.e.d.

VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Pardon?

 

Seriously dude, bug off... It's none of your god damned business, none at all, to sit in another country and claim we should have mandatory vaccinations against our own free will. You know what other country pulled # like this? Nazi Germany.... Are you a Nazi?

Wow.... The nazis forced vaccinations on people... Well, guess they had their bright moments

Seriously, that's what you're going to resort to? Nazis....

I guess faced with real science and logic you have nothing else to grasp at... Sad really....

reply to post by Grimpachi


My thoughts on the whole issue of vaccinate vs not vaccinating.

My wife and I had our first child in October, and this crossed my mind, I had researched it a bit, even have family members who have a child with moderate/severe autism that they believe was caused by vaccinations. After weighing a ton of evidence, I do not feel guilty whatsoever about vaccinating.

The way I feel about it is that if my daughter gets autism then I will still love her just as much as I did a non-autistic child, but what if I opted to not vaccinate, and she contracted polio, measles, smallpox, shingles, or any other host of deadly diseases that have virtually been eliminated by vaccines? I would feel horrible. Autistic children arent any less than their "normal" counterparts, and sometimes they end up being more.

All in all life comes with many risks and decisions, and this is not one I feel is hard to make.

jssaylor2007
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

My thoughts on the whole issue of vaccinate vs not vaccinating.

My wife and I had our first child in October, and this crossed my mind, I had researched it a bit, even have family members who have a child with moderate/severe autism that they believe was caused by vaccinations. After weighing a ton of evidence, I do not feel guilty whatsoever about vaccinating.

The way I feel about it is that if my daughter gets autism then I will still love her just as much as I did a non-autistic child, but what if I opted to not vaccinate, and she contracted polio, measles, smallpox, shingles, or any other host of deadly diseases that have virtually been eliminated by vaccines? I would feel horrible. Autistic children arent any less than their "normal" counterparts, and sometimes they end up being more.

All in all life comes with many risks and decisions, and this is not one I feel is hard to make.

Congratulations.
I think this is probably the best post in the whole thread.
I think you are going to make very good parents.

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Thanks, I appreciate that.

It's one of the best moments in life that's for sure.

Baddogma
reply to post by hudsonhawk69

 

The risk is to other unvaccinated folks and kids and, of course, the few vaccinated kids and adults that weren't adequately protected by their vaccinations, which admittedly happens.

Huh! How about that. The only risk is to other unvaccinated people OR to people for who this potentially Dangerous cocktail (read the brochure) hasn't EVEN worked?!? Wouldn't I just be a regular crazy person then???

The danger isn't to my kids, btw, as they are non existent and/or decomposing in various landfills and sewers, wrapped in latex shrouds.

And yes, my butt frequently hurts, thank you for inquiring. I hope you will look into it for me.

Like always, the truth lies somewhere in between the "pro-vaxxers" and the "anti-vaxxers." See, there are a lot of details here that go untold in the article.

The mother was obviously BORN with health problems, and its debatable to say vaccines would have cured her of the more serious ones.

That said, I believe that some vaccines are good.

Good for preventing old, thought-to-be-dead diseases that might rear its ugly head once people start rejecting health care out of paranoia.

The paranoia is not a delusional form of psychosis, though.

What everyone has to understand is that, no matter which side you're on, vaccines are extremely "hit and miss." Vaccines are complicated and sometimes helpful, and other times, harmful.

It depends on the vaccine, and it depends on how much time and research was dedicated to the creation of that vaccine before it was released to the public. It depends on how long the vaccine has been in play, and how far its come, as far as "being perfected."

See, "new" vaccines often make people sick, because those who created it are still figuring out what they're doing. Older vaccines, I believe, have been perfected and used properly because the creators of it have had more time to "fix it up."

One must also consider how likely the government would be to one day spread a sickness or a plague through vaccines on purpose, one of those "doomsday by design" theories. Everyone has different opinions regarding this, though.

Here's my opinion.

Don't take new vaccines.

Only take the needed ones, the ones that prevent diseases that once brought down entire civilizations and cities. Use your best judgment.

The new ones are always more of a gamble. If anything, they can be called "experimental." Like the makers of the vaccine are testing it on the public, to see if they "got it right."

That's just my thoughts.

carabao

hudsonhawk69

ladybug121
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

I have a sister in law who is not giving her children vaccines. I'm wondering the outcome of it. I hope the kids end up okay.

My children have not been vaccinated and they are fine.

Thanks to other people with less ignorance that have had their children vaccinated.

LOL and you base this upon what exactly???

Btw: I'm not from the U.S,

You don't need to be from the U.S. to be part of the "I know what's best for you club."

But I still feel responsible to my fellow humans. Instead of just crying me, me, me! Try to be a little bit less egotistical, it's not just your rights, but also everyone elses right to not get sick from preventable diseases. It's called beeing part of society.

Hey. Get your kids vaccinated and they will be fine right???

There doesn't need to be any food shortage if we can distribute more evenly, but your obvious hatred of mankind doesn't seem to cherish that idea

I don't hate mankind. The fact is we live in an overpopulated destructive society.

Pardon?

jssaylor2007
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

My thoughts on the whole issue of vaccinate vs not vaccinating.

My wife and I had our first child in October, and this crossed my mind, I had researched it a bit, even have family members who have a child with moderate/severe autism that they believe was caused by vaccinations. After weighing a ton of evidence, I do not feel guilty whatsoever about vaccinating.

The way I feel about it is that if my daughter gets autism then I will still love her just as much as I did a non-autistic child, but what if I opted to not vaccinate, and she contracted polio, measles, smallpox, shingles, or any other host of deadly diseases that have virtually been eliminated by vaccines? I would feel horrible. Autistic children arent any less than their "normal" counterparts, and sometimes they end up being more.

All in all life comes with many risks and decisions, and this is not one I feel is hard to make.

Congratulations.
I think this is probably the best post in the whole thread.
I think you are going to make very good parents.

Yes, this is an excellent example of freedom of choice. I believe that all parents are entitled to make their own decisions based on the information available... Even the ones who choose not to vaccinate!

I have so much research to do regarding vitamin C, but what research I have done, it appears vaccines are riding the coat tails of vitamin C and claiming the success as their own.

It's funny that most of these diseases that are no longer around are attributed to vaccines when it is more than likely vitamin C that did it. Most if not all vaccines are not good forever, boosters are required, how did they get the vaccines right the first time then, with polio and small pox, both of which are cured with vitamin C?

Really? Man has become the go to for medicine? Have you all seen how many people are dying every year to this money making machine?

Here are four smoking guns that substantiate the title of this article.

Smoking gun #1: As I detailed in my two previous articles (click here and here), Dr. Barbara Starfield’s article in the July 26, 2000, Journal of the American Medical Association, “Is US Health Really the Best in the World?”, spelled out the damage:

The US medical system kills 225,000 Americans per year. That’s well over two MILLION deaths per decade.

The US government supports, in numerous ways, this system. And now, through the implementation of Obamacare, many more previously uninsured Americans will enter the killing fields.

Dr. Starfield’s data are not classified. They’re not a state secret. Any doctor or medical bureaucrat has access to them.

Yet nothing of note is being done to remedy the ongoing crime.

Smoking gun #2: Starfield’s report indicated that, every year in the US, 106,000 Americans die as a result of FDA-approved medical drugs.

The FDA is the only agency tasked with certifying these drugs as safe and effective. With such certification, the drugs enter the public pipeline.

On the FDA’s own website, under the heading, “Why Learn About Adverse Drug Reactions,” appears the following text: “Over 2 MILLION ADRs [Adverse Drug Reactions] yearly; 100,000 DEATHS yearly; ADRs 4th leading cause of death…”

Astonishingly, the FDA takes no responsibility for any of this. They, and only they, can approve the drugs as safe and effective. They list the numbers of deaths and maimings, and they never admit culpability.

For the rest.....For the rest.....

I think this is an authority issue. Some people just do not like authority figures and do not like needles jammed into them or pills stuffed down their throat. This applies to anything. They don't like being bossed around. They don't like somebody telling them what to do or think. They want to make up their own mind.

Oxytocin is supposed to be a hormone that makes people more trusting. Maybe the answer to all this anti-vaccination talk is a dose of Oxytocin.

Note that Oxytocin has been linked to something akin to racism:
www.wired.com - ‘Cuddle Chemical’ Also Fuels Favoritism, Bigotry...

It seems to me to also be the case some people trust nature more than others. Some people trust it too much. Some people say nature is dumb and dangerous and we should correct it. Some people want to find a middle ground. Some people think before humans were on Earth the planet was a literal garden of eden unspoiled and holy. It's a nature religion which exalts nature above everything.

Maybe nothing has ever been innocent. Maybe the whole universe is corrupted. Not a grain of sand or cell or string of dna or atom is free of shame.

hudsonhawk69

Baddogma
reply to post by hudsonhawk69

 

The risk is to other unvaccinated folks and kids and, of course, the few vaccinated kids and adults that weren't adequately protected by their vaccinations, which admittedly happens.

Huh! How about that. The only risk is to other unvaccinated people OR to people for who this potentially Dangerous cocktail (read the brochure) hasn't EVEN worked?!? Wouldn't I just be a regular crazy person then???

The danger isn't to my kids, btw, as they are non existent and/or decomposing in various landfills and sewers, wrapped in latex shrouds.

And yes, my butt frequently hurts, thank you for inquiring. I hope you will look into it for me.

No vaccine (or any other medicine for that matter) is 100% effective.
I would doubt that there would ever be one that was 100% effective 100% of the time.
The other people who you have to factor in are those who because of an existing condition cannot be vaccinated (for instance those who have a pre-existing allergy to the ingredients or those who are immuno-compromised e.g those on chaemotherapy etc).
Where do these people sit in your opinion as these are the ones who are more likely to suffer if they contract a preventable disease?
Since the topic has moved onto rights and freedom of choice what rights and freedom of choice do these people have as they rely on a everyone being vaccinated to convey protection from these diseases.


As for vaccines being a dangerous cocktail, well the evidence says exactly the opposite so you are misinformed.
Which brings me back to the freedom of choice....choice should be made solely upon evidence and proper information.
If a choice is made due to misinformation that's when it becomes the wrong choice.
So, if there's a large enough body of people consistently making that wrong choice and convincing others to do the same, the only real option is to remove that choice is it not?

reply to post by Pardon?


If what you say is true then nobody should be eating fast food because it's literally proven it's bad for you. So should we outlaw fast food?

Should we only eat food proven to be healthy and always make scientific choices?

So should everybody try to get 8 hours of sleep? NOBODY can get only 3 or 4? If somebody can't sleep, it's mandatory they receive sleeping pills.

Everybody needs to brush their teeth and floss daily. It's a crime to do otherwise.

What you want is an authoritarian country where people are bossed around because NOBODY can know everything, and so for this to work people have to be bossed around. What do you think it would be like living in a country where you're told to do things on faith and informed no other choice is acceptable?

Nothing can be certain, so people do need some faith just to function. But what you're asking is on a whole other level. You're saying people can't make the wrong choice. How do you plan on enforcing it? I'd have to think your society would resemble a prison. People would be robots that follow instructions.

This reminds me of a study that recently came out and claimed a wandering mind is bad for your health. I think they even made hte point about it being bad in school. Immediately my mind called up a sci-fi story written well over 40 years ago. In the story children were forced to pay attention in school and computers watched them. If their mind drifted the computer would wake them up and test them. Computers always watched them everywhere they went and they walked single file and never spoke voluntarily. If their mind drifted too much, they were evicted and forced to fend for themselves in a chaotic lawless wildland.

You and your ilk are going to turn us all into robots. Thanks a lot!

reply to post by Grimpachi


I am sorry that you have so many health issues. I have to think that they have nothing to do with not being vaccinated but more to do with a compromised immune system and that actually you would probably much worse off if you didn't have smart parents that kept all of those toxins out of your system.

CBS Atalanta just today has a story for you to read:

atlanta.cbslocal.com...

jonnywhite
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If what you say is true then nobody should be eating fast food because it's literally proven it's bad for you. So should we outlaw fast food?

Should we only eat food proven to be healthy and always make scientific choices?

So should everybody try to get 8 hours of sleep? NOBODY can get only 3 or 4? If somebody can't sleep, it's mandatory they receive sleeping pills.

Everybody needs to brush their teeth and floss daily. It's a crime to do otherwise.

What you want is an authoritarian country where people are bossed around because NOBODY can know everything, and so for this to work people have to be bossed around. What do you think it would be like living in a country where you're told to do things on faith and informed no other choice is acceptable?

Nothing can be certain, so people do need some faith just to function. But what you're asking is on a whole other level. You're saying people can't make the wrong choice. How do you plan on enforcing it? I'd have to think your society would resemble a prison. People would be robots that follow instructions.

edit on 6-1-2014 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)

Completely disagree.
Eating fast food is known to be bad if your diet is based around it. Eating it now and again will do no harm
The harm it will do is confined to the person doing it.
Eating fast food constantly will do no harm to another person (unless they fall on them...).

Two other habits which are bad for you are smoking and drinking (you could lump in drug-taking too).
Smoking in public is banned pretty much everywhere now as it is bad for others but you're still allowed to smoke as an individual even though you know it can be bad for you.
Drinking and driving (and driving under the influence) is illegal. Why? Because you can harm others.
You are still allowed to drink though even though you know it can be bad for you.
(I won't get into the depths of what alcohol abuse can do to a family as that's more of a sociological problem rather than a physiological one).


The rest of your analogies are ridiculous nonsense.

UxoriousMagnus
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

I am sorry that you have so many health issues. I have to think that they have nothing to do with not being vaccinated but more to do with a compromised immune system and that actually you would probably much worse off if you didn't have smart parents that kept all of those toxins out of your system.

CBS Atalanta just today has a story for you to read:

atlanta.cbslocal.com...

The OP isn't the subject of the thread.

And the irony is that had the girl in your link not had the jab and got the flu the chance is she would have developed narcolepsy because of the flu itself....
www.newscientist.com...

reply to post by Pardon?


It does not take a stretch of the imagination to see how a bad diet can have an impact on other people you live with or intermingle with. Choices of all shapes and sizes can squirm their way to impacting others. You conveniently focus on the easy pickings, on things you think obviously will harm others, but I think you well know how far this thought can go. I think you know as well as I no choice truly only affects the individual. And once you know no choice is made in isolation and that all choices can impact those around us, then where's the limit going to be? If no limit is set, as I see it, we'll just become robots. We're already on that path. With all the rules coming online and the ones down the road, maybe we should stop calling ourselves humans and start calling ourselves robohumans.

The reason I am edgy with you is because once we lose a right it's hard to get it back. Once vaccinations are forced, it opens the door for other things. And who knows what they'll put in vaccinations after that? Who knows what madness will spawn. Maybe you're right, but I just can't put the same level of confidence in it. Maybe I'm old fashioned or backwards, maybe history shines brightly on you. I can't change the way I am. I yam what I yam. Our freedoms were hard won.