Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: mirageman

As I've stated before.. if I could ask "god" one question, it wouldn't be
"whether she loved me.. about life after death" or whether Trump
was colluding with Putin consciously or he's just a moron with 1/10
the intelligence and guile of Putin who fell into Putin's trap.
(yes, he's still beating his wife).

I'd ask this:

WTF with BTUFO?

Oh the Phenomenon part.. I seem to have that fairly nailed.

but WTF on the "triangle part".

that drives me crazy. night and day.

Now that's just a favored form... it can be anything.. the orbs can turn
into police officers on motorcyles if it wants to.. which talks to you..
or into dwarves who offer cookies.

fer chris sake.

But what's up with the triangles?

that's my burning question.. that I may never be able to answer.

it's probably something dumb.

Now I know that you have mentioned Steve before...

I'm sadly lacking in info on that...

It would be interesting to know (you probably know.. you've probably
even posted about it and I wasn't paying attention --- space cadet here..

but why did Steve's sighting not cause all the same ruckus?

what was different?

And did some people see one thing, and others another thing?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Can I just ask one thing Kev.

You say you decided on November 24th 2013 to summon a BT UFO in this post : Link

This took around 3 days according to your post (you've clarified the December 27th date as a typo).

Did you use a smartphone, TV, computer, radio equipment or something that would generate EM radiation during that time?

a reply to: mirageman

good question...!

I was one of those old fashioned people who hated cell phones..
as they wanted me to be on-call, and I didn't want to be on-call.

I took the option of carrying a "beeper" for years.

I did in fact own a cell phone... but I was a Luddite at the time..
the company I worked for back then mandated in writing that I
have a company provided cell phone..

but they only required that I carry it when I was on call.

So the phone was at work... defiantly on my desk.. and not
at home...

so that sort of backfired.. I didnt have anything to take a picture
with... I would have loved to take a picture.

What a clever concept.. that you may have been thinking that my
phone was hacked to affect my brain with EM signals.

Very bright...

No cigar this time.. sorry... but love your brain.

PS:

to fully answer your question.. yes.. I did have a TV... it was
Under my ex-wife's control, who kept watching law and order
on it until I puked. I never used it msyelf or was near it..

also, I did have a home computer of course.. in my office..
which was filled with my ex-wifes stuff against my will..
so I hated it and didn't use my office much.

but i suppose technically cia spies could have broken into
My home nad planted mind control devices.. even though
I was an unknown nobody..had only been on ATS a
few months.

but that's a little too tin-foil hat for my liking..!

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Not a problem. I am not sure why you thought I was inferring you could take a picture. I was more interested in what Pigsy alluded to earlier in the thread.

...they state the the people that have the strongest "experiences" are more likely to have higher levels of temporal lobe activity under certain situations and are more prone to electromagnetic field interference...

Link

I was wondering whether a source of EM radiation from an electronic device was perhaps close by?

a reply to: mirageman

Actually... I have even more info for you on that...

the house I lived in at the time was in a mysterious cellular signal
"black hole".

To get a cell signal, I had to walk over one block away in any
direction to get 1 bar of signal.. even though I was in the midle
of a densely populated area.

so the exact opposite was true... which in itself was strange..

Makes me think about the Puharic experiment of putting someone
in a faraday cage, and claiming that it boosted "psychic functioning".

That was sort of the situation I was in.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Fair enough. That sort of shoots down a theory I was working on.

a reply to: mirageman

Keep trying though, please!

I'm too close to this stuff.. someone like you who only (at best)
believes 20% of what I say might be in a position to find somehing
that I've missed.

I could prove it in a lab.... if I could get lab time.. but EM,
strictly speaking is not the infection vector. Nor are magnetic
fields. And I'm not talking "magic here".. it is a real physical
force.. it's just hard to describe.

To get back onto the core topic. AdamE posted a Powerpoint Presentation used by John Burroughs earlier in the thread :
LINK

Seeing as all this is now in the public domain then it may as well be posted. There is a slide mysteriously referring to the work of the fictional scientist, Ellie Arroway posted earlier, from the 1997 movie 'Contact' which is yet to be completely explained. Yet there are other slides that reveal the interesting tale of his claims for help from the VA. A very interesting story.

First there is a letter from the VA claiming Burroughs only served in the USAF from April 14th 1982 denying all of his claims for disability claims and erasing his time at Woodbridge/Bentwaters.



Next is a very interesting DD214 which mysteriously shows a date of July 1st 1979 in the top left corner but a date of April 14th 1982 for date entered service.



Finally we have the 'Amended' DD214 form which confirms the 1979 dates.



Some people might claim these are 'edited' forms or even perhaps like Larry Warren they have been 'altered'. But the story as presented by Burroughs, so far, all holds up with Senators' aide Cheryl Bennett confirming these details. (Link to interview with Cheryl Bennett)

a reply to: mirageman

I tend to agree with you.

But I have one wrinkle to throw in.. having had SEVERAL DD-214's msyelf.

You see, if you re-enlist, you get a brand new DD-214, for the new term of service.
At least I did, when I re-enlisted at the 6 year point for 2 more years.

I have two DD-214's.

Could they have lost one, and it wasn't some great conspiracy?
I don't know if John Re-enlisted at a point where it matters
as far as the narrative.

Also,

I had one solid year of US Navy Nuclear power school, both the class instruction
in Orlando, Florida, and the hands-on portion in the classified nuclear reactor
prototype in Idaho, vanish from my service record, and nothing that I do
will bring it back.

so... who knows?

But it does seem fishy.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I will say this. People on act on incentives to do things that they may not do if there weren't incentives.

Look at the Windrush Scandal that happened recently in the UK. Children born in the UK were being told to go back to the Caribbean because there was no proof they were UK citizens (the govt. having destroyed that evidence). It was also established that there were targets for immigration officers to rid the UK of 'illegal' immigrants. The problem being the government had no real idea of how many illegal immigrants there were nor who they were in the first place.

So what do you think happened? Yep, the easy targets were told to pack their bags because a civil servant has to achieve a target and if people have no proof they have a right to live here....

My guess is that the VA have a target to avoid paying out money to all but a small % of veterans. So Burroughs was refused initially.

Were other things were being put in place to obstruct his claims in the background? I would say that if it went through Senator's and the President's Office then something was wrong.

a reply to: mirageman

I agree.

I was just including some non-sensational information about DD-214's
and what a hassle they can be.

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

Could he have been a private contractor in the missing date period then renlisted afterwards?

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: mirageman

Could he have been a private contractor in the missing date period then renlisted afterwards?

This isn't the issue.

John joined the USAF in 1979 and had proof of this from payslips or the like which were provided to Senator John McCain's office. They filed claims for injuries to his heart in the line of duty during the Rendlesham incident.

The US VA (Veteran's Association) denied his claim based on his service records stating he did not enter service until July 1982. Someone had removed records of him serving at Woodbridge/Bentwaters from 1979 - 1982.

John was also informed that his medical records were classified so civilian doctors were unable to fully diagnose and treat his injuries.



Someone purposely altered that DD214 form behind the scenes. Whoever did that had an 'incentive' do so. It is just too much of a coincidence. McCain's office were able to secure the correction

However, as per the slides John has since made public:

“It took a yeoman's job to get your [John's] DD214 corrected, but we may never be able to gain access to the missing USAF medical records from 1979 to 1983” — McCain’s office

It is unthinkable that John Burroughs would have not only notified President Obama, but also fought and won his case against the VA with the assistance of a US Senator if these documents were not genuine.

a reply to: mirageman

Could his records be classified due to the storage of nuclear weapons at Rendlesham and most of the major players have confirmed without confirming that this was indeed the case?

With the word "radiation" and the common knowledge that Nuclear arms were kept at the base, is this possibly why his medical records are classified? As he was exposed to some form of radiation, his medical records would have had to have considered the nukes as a source of said radiation dose but couldn't disclose because they simply weren't supposed to be there?

Maybe the other classified projects that are intertwined, which is another reason for the classification of said records, are linked to something like a UK-US defense initiative with the placing of nukes on British soil for a strategical advantage to the events of the world at that time?.

a reply to: pigsy2400

Dr. Christopher 'Kit' Green who assisted John with his treatment answers that question in full here : www.abovetopsecret.com...

....It is true, his records...about a thousand pages, and to this day, still many hundreds, were in fact legally classified. In my 46 year career as a Medical Officer and physician with CIA [including as Staff Officer, Chief of Medical Intelligence/ Life Sciences Division, and Assistant National Intelligence Officer for Science and Technology]...I had, until a year of so ago...only seen a handful of truly 'classified' medical records: those of Adolph Hitler, John Kennedy's Autopsy, and recently...John Burroughs.

The reasons were different. When I was denied these records after many requests (even though I have continuously held TS/SCI clearances for almost 50 years), I was able to quickly determine that the reasons were quite simple...medical records are not usually digital and are easily sequestered in multiple location...and almost impossible to find (these were and remain except for recent years in hard copy, scanned, and separated from FOIA access...and even mine.) The reasons are (I was told by current DoD and VA Records staffs) that "inside the doctors notes, the nursing notes, the specialist's note are a myriad of references to Special Access Projects and the names of OTHER "adjacent and ancillary Programs and projects that can not be disentangled, and which could uncover active and recent projects unrelated to Rendlesham. The reasons are not necessarily related to Rendlesham...and not all the connections relate to Rendlesham."

This makes some sense operationally, but no sense ethically.........

a reply to: mirageman

Dr.Green has a point it seems, but why would you be discussing a TS/SAP program with your doctor?

not that i was ever in one but i would think you would have dr's that were either were read into the project like a flight surgeon but they aren't going to be your PCP.

how can they hold medical records away from the very person that made them? the the sick person?

and what about doctor patient confidentiality?

im sure these men were not in any black medical research(as far as they know) and were not the ones flying these devices.


and we have all heard the whole story(i think) so what is there to be classified?

'that's classified' is a good way of saying they lost them, or they did something to these men or know what was done to them and the more and more i learn about that night the more and more im convinced it wasnt ET...let me rephrase that...it was humans.


eta: a family memberr is a dr at the v.a im going to ask her about this

a reply to: mirageman


"are a myriad of references to Special Access Projects and the names of OTHER "adjacent and ancillary Programs and projects that can not be disentangled, and which could uncover active and recent projects unrelated to Rendlesham. "

Would it be a good guess, that various people discussing John's medical condition were wondering if THIS
or THAT dangerous highly compartmentalized project involved radiation/weaponry could have caused
this exposure?

One also wonders about the large number of entanglements apparently. How many death rays are these
guys working on concurrently?

a reply to: mirageman

It's just a screwup. Look at the total of the "net active service this period" and "total prior active service." It's 8 years and 11 months. Back up from the separation date and you've got March 1979. In any case he was on active duty somewhere for 3 years and 1 month prior to "this period." As KPB said, he probably reenlisted in April 1982; they discharge you and then reenlist you, giving you an entirely hypothetical one-day break in service.

And all this was happening right around the time a scandal was brewing up over the VA cooking its books:

VA Scandal Timeline

His medical records are a whole other can of worms. Given that he was initially in the regulars and then in the Reserves except he had spells of active duty and, oh, probably got some of his "military" medical care through CHAMPUS or Tricare, you probably need a mine detector and a native guide to find them, classified or not. (And when I see "classified medical record" I think of Burroughs going on sick call in a SCIF.)

a reply to: oldgrump

Thanks for that and giving a different perspective.

I know that Cheryl Bennett (Senator McCain's aide) confirmed in an interview linked earlier in the thread that she believed the missing records were intentionally mislaid. John's request was then processed through an "appeals loop" intended to go nowhere.

Dr. Green said way back

"...inside the doctors notes, the nursing notes, the specialist's note are a myriad of references to Special Access Projects and the names of OTHER "adjacent and ancillary Programs and projects that can not be disentangled, and which could uncover active and recent projects unrelated to Rendlesham. The reasons are not necessarily related to Rendlesham...and not all the connections relate to Rendlesham."

Source : www.abovetopsecret.com...

The answer to what is going on lies there in that statement.

a reply to: mirageman

Whilst I can’t confirm 100% this, it seems that Antenna relates to the suppression of the human brain’s ‘default mode network’.

This would explain the state in which Phenomenological phenomena (!!) occur most readily. It also suggests how they might be suppressed or not occur in some individuals versus others.

The clearest connection, I suspect will be with Remote Viewing (please note I don’t believe in the results of RV sessions, but rather that suppressing the DMN makes the process more definite in the mind of the experiencer)

I wonder if whatever occurred during the RFI either intentionally or unintentionally takes the DMN offline at close proximities?

If proximity was a factor (and the second airman to get treatment will likely confirm this), then we are probably looking at an electromagnetic phenomena.

As Arby has noted, whatever the phenomena is it has significant ability to generate surplus power and if Kev is correct, massive ability to generate power.