Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
Now the triangular marks? you got me. There are any number of explanations..
I've never cared to even wonder.. but I do doubt they were just rabbit scratchings
like some people say.. but who knows?

Whatever they were, Halt seemed very unimpressed on his tape recording in which he says:

"HALT: Where are the impressions? Is that all the bigger they are?"

That is probably close to the real truth as a contemporaneous comment, and going from that to a plaster cast nearly the size of a basketball is myth-making.

I think it should be obvious to most people there was no "landing area", and people who want to believe there was want to believe a little too much. The so called evidence for a landing area including Halt's own recorded statement does more to convince me there wasn't a landing area, and yes slight fluctuations in background radiation readings mean absolutely nothing; you can find that anywhere.

If the marks are so unimpressive that Halt needs to ask where they are, does it really matter if they were rabbit scratchings or something else? It doesn't matter to me. The police letter says the officer who was called to the scene examined the marks and thought they could have been made by some kind of animal, without trying to identify what animal. I'm not familiar with that forest, but I'm familiar with other forests and they usually have other critters besides rabbits which can disturb the soil.

There's also the issue that Burroughs and Penniston should have reported any landing they observed to their supervisor who was monitoring their transmissions, and they reported no such landing according to him, nothing but lights.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Agreed on all points.

a reply to: mirageman

I think people get the "radiation" aspect of alien craft confused with the isotopic ratio you would get with parts of metorites and other space debris.

People dumb it down and immediatley think that anything from space is radioactive, at least thats my train of thought as to why people get confused.

As far as the indentations on the forest floor, sounds like a total none starter then in terms of what you say MM. If a possible explanation is "rabbits" ( I cannot believe I am typying Rabbits) then its more likely a re-enactment of Watership Down than Aliens, for me it almost halts that part of the story right there.

Going with the facts and what we know to be sure and what I find most interesting is Burroughs Medical records and the reasons given for them not being released.

Enquiries into obtaining his records stated that he didnt work for the USAF in the years during which RFI occurred, which may be a simple admin error or the fact that he was based outside of the US, or whatever happeneded there is the reason that its classified. There is also the possiblity that he didnt work for the USAF, he could have been working for a defence contractor that worked alongside the USAF side by side on classified materials / projects etc!

The reasons given for his medical records classification was due to classified projects that Burroughs was aware of but also how these projects were linked with other classified projects he may not have been aware of but were so intertwined that revealing one would in reality probably uncover others.

I believe Burroughs account, some of the others at RFI have been caught red handed lying and some of them are so crazy and have crazy theories that I just discount them out of hand.

The answers are with Burroughs and he knows.. I would bet the house and the mortgage that he knows... I think he knows much MUCH more than he states but he feels he is a patriot and will not divulge the "truth" due to his duties as a soldier and his oaths // NDAs etc.

When he stated in an interview that he knew that the "RFI" had been weaponized, that at least gives an indication that if he didn't know at the time what it was.. he found out afterwards....

a reply to: mirageman

There were strange lights, that were NOT from the lighthouse.. that much is clear..
the lighthouse operator himself said it wasn't the lighthouse.. various reports say clearly...
we saw the lights AND the lighthouse beacon.

John Burrhoughs definitely got zapped.
Penniston (in my opinion) has "experiencers syndrome.. so its likely he got zapped.

We don't know what did the zapping.. buoyant plasma? the best guess of all the very
bad guesses.

Weapon testing or weaponization involved? Lots of evidence that the bright boys
were working hard on this... may or may not have succeeded.

But most of the so-called "physical evidence" -- crapola..
you detailed it very well.

But the fact that the big wig for all of Europe showed up to take the "evidence"
(if that's true)... there was definitely some inconvenient truth there..

I mean it could simply have been "holy #$%#$%# that MoD directive about this
weird stuff is actually true! I gotta go get all the "evidence" and assess what the
hell to do with it.. never thought this nonsense was true... grumble grumble..

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

I wonder if what penniston thought he saw was a saucer...triangle and pyramid all at once sorta all mushed together. But not mushed together..

Thats what his hand drawing looks like to me...
And its what i saw too...during one phase of my december 2013 BTUFO encounter.

If his recollection is accurate...its all there...the majority of what i experienced...

But i knew i was being played...he took his encounter as being "real" and so he and burroughs have had their brains twisting up theories and probably confabulating a few things. Almost anybody alive would.

Its also interesting that Burroughs, not Penniston saw the true form of the thing.

The red orb was its true form...

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

A lot of guessing Kev. ☺.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Actually thats not true.

If you strip out all the melodrama and warring parties and disinformation, at the heart of it, RFI follows the standard cookie cutter template of 100 other incidents.

I am thinking that weaponization might be involved...but that's just a trigger...there are multiple possible triggers.

If RFI wasn't such a hot stinking mess of international security, id just see if the guys would meet me and we could probably straighten this out over coffee.

But RFI in the big picture is not that important and I've been advised not to get any more involved than i already have.

It is fun to BS with friends about it though...and i wish that i could have read Pikes book and Nick Popes version years ago. But then hardly any of all this fun discussion would have happened.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

i think it was looking for something and didnt realise the men were getting so close with NV gear, and maybe it realised it with the radio comms

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Why have you been advised not to get involved more than you are or have?

You dont need to answer that of course , its just an odd thing to say ?

a reply to: Baablacksheep

I am not answering for Kev just guessing

considering he was in the armed forces and the NDAs he probably had to sign considering his posting in the navy and the command he had, then maybe some old contacts told him not to bother or warned him off, not completely out of bounds o possibility.

Only logical conclusion i can draw upon; logical of course isnt always that straight forward. I am sure he will be along to set it straight or ignore.

a reply to: penroc3

What I do find interesting is some of the posts Kev has made over quite some time about Kundalini and other such topics and their connection to the phenomenon. I will be the first to say it (sorry Kev) but I ignored quite a lot of what he was saying in this thread and others about these quantum critters and brains and Kundalini Yoga!! It was all a bit too "LaLa" for my liking and I ignored much of what he was saying, as I think others do as its explanation isn't what we want it to be; Grey Aliens from Zeta Reticulai visiting and saying hi.

It wasn't until my curiousity picked up and i thought I would have a look into this as a possible explanation for "some" of whatever "it" is.

My findings took me to MUFON, of all places, who funded an investigation into "Experiancers" and by investigation it was all actually quite scientific in its approach, going as far as having control groups and segmenting people down to gender, age, religious orientation, Kundalini Yoga practioners, how fantasy prone these people were etc, A Blood types and family connections to native american families and people who had NDE. Some of these were A LOT more likely to have experiances with "it". That made me feel pretty bad and thought, some on this board have been shouting at this for a while and we havent been listening, I cant talk for others but I certainly can for myself.

The investigation was titled "Omega 3" and carried out and analysed by Robert B. LeLieuvre, Lester Velez, & Michael Freeman, they state the the people that have the strongest "experiences" are more likely to have higher levels of temporal lobe activity under certain situations and are more prone to electromagnetic field interference and are much MUCH more fantasty prone! EMF comes up again, there must be a connection with this and experiencers and how this interacts with peoples brains and what they believe they see.

Les Velez discussses it on the most recent Phenomenon radio episode (he collated the data from the Omega 3 investigation)
KGRA RADIO EPISODE

The indiana chapter of MUFON published this about the investigation (note the link to Kundalini at the bottom, but not mentioned in the article, which i found odd);
MUFON ARTICLE

and the scientific approach and data is here;
Omega 3 Analysis

I dont always agree with you Kev, you are still a bit "La" sometimes, but I wont be as ignorant in the future as some of the things you have been saying for years, certainly have some merit on quite a few levels and I can only see that it will advance our understanding of "it"

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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
the lighthouse operator himself said it wasn't the lighthouse

The lighthouse keeper had never been into the forest and didn't even realize its beam could be seen from the so-called landing site, so his opinion isn't worth much. Vince the forester lived near the site and was the first to realize the lighthouse was the culprit
www.ianridpath.com...
www.ianridpath.com...
Halt on his real-time tape never mentioned seeing the lighthouse, only a flashing light.

a reply to: pigsy2400

Nothing so melodramatic.

Despite all the STUFF that I post, I try very hard not be all mysterious
unnecessarily.. I'm not attention seeking. I'm not going to post all this
stuff that tantalizes.. then pull an A****. or anything. I'm going to be
as accurate as I can, and man up when i'm wrong too.

I try to go first with science.. but like that works half the time when
it comes to subjects like this.

So.. to be clear.. I was wrong about one thing I've been saying for the
past year. This really is PRIMARILY a simple high strangeness case.

You know what a complete doofus I am... unlike other people, I don't
read all these books on UFOs.. I just *ahem* talk to ummm...welll
I talk to interesting sources.

Well, I had never read an account of Penniston's description of night
one before. I mean, NEVER! MM kept telling me in so many words,
that I would be wasting my time listening to Penniston, becuase
he has changed his story so many times, and has had various perceived
inaccuracies.. that I just took his word for it. And maybe that's still
good advice.

But there it was... a story quite a bit like mine.. with all the markers
of high strangeness:

1) a field of weirdly dead quiet.
2) a 'static field'
3) two witness, one saw one thing, one saw another thing, at the same moment.
4) weird time flow..
5) Now I don't care what Penniston says.. not that he'd ever talk to me probably..
but (according to my source) he saw the same thing that i did.
6) Physical detriments occurred afterwards.
7) "Experiencer syndrome suffered for years.
8) A sense of "data download" that tears at your mind until you listen to it.
9) One or more red orbs. A red orb that John Burroughs might admit felt 'sentient'.
even though he's never said that, that I know.

That's quite a list... and I had 8 of those 9 items identical.

Hello McFly! Hello!

Now.. to why I said I was going to stop pursuing this RFI case, other than the fact
it is utterly and completely solved, 100% for me personally.. as I experienced 95%
Plus the exact same thing as detailed in that list...

There certainly seems to be a strong component, of weaponization for the RFI
incident. I know it's not immediately obvious..

But it's there... as a general rule, the way the Phenomenon works, it rarely
does a repeat performance.. it tends to do one night incidents then never
repeat.. and the reason for this, is that the entire purpose of UFO incidents
is for the Phenomenon to so shock the mind of the experiencers, that it
then can form a bond with the experiencers for the rest of their lives..

That's it.. that's disclosure.

That's also why abused children tend to be experiencers.. there is a "hole"
put in their mind that the Phenomenon can use to get entry.

That's what the "Phenomenon" does.. so that's why the same people almost
never see the Phenomenon twice in rapid succession.. (future nights).

The one exception, is if the Phenomenon is very riled up... angry so to speak..
or rarely to keep really scaring the same people and/or expanding the number
of people in the same area.. but it's really uncommon.

It seems to me.. that the Phenomenon was tired of getting poked in the ass..
and it was not happy. Though of course I can't absolutely say.

Now on another note.. and I'm going to touch on this VERY lightly.. there was
that thing about an individual.. who shall remain nameless.. who... if I am
correct about this.. was a member of a group that wants to shoot down
'demons with plasma weapons' and potentially wanted SDI to be built,
so that they could "shooot the antichrist' during the last battle to help
Jesus.

These people are VERY dangerous and misinformend people... and I have been
warned repeatedly.. by people who know.. that i should stay out of their
business and stay away from them.

I have also been counciled by a couple other people on this RFI matter.. nobody
terribly famous.. and I'm taking their advice and not getting any more involved
than I already am.

There.. see? Nothing terribly mysterious.

a reply to: ianrid

I like science as a first explanation... science gets it right 95% of the
time or more.

The human mind is capable of complete self-deception.

Human deception is rife in UFOlogy.

Misidentification is rife in UFOlogy.

So I appreciate your opinion on this matter.. but it's just not compelling...
a complete doofus might be fooled one night..

but not dozens of people over multiple nights..

It's not like the lighthouse was just installed the week before.. it had
been there a hundred years or whatever..

But I know that people can argue a point endlessly...

TY sir.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Ian is correct there Kev. The lighthouse could be seen from the forest at the time. It also at one point appears to be what Halt and his posse were looking at (see video below of Halt tape matched to the flash from the lighthouse).



To familiarize yourself with the surrounding area this a short video about Orfordness and its history of weapons development.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

As long as you where NOT councelled by the "nine" ya fine Kev

a reply to: pigsy2400

The study also included Kundalni yoga as a causitive factor for experiencers...
I didn't know the study existed until Mr. Pigsy brought it to my attention.

If you read some of the documents.. you will see that our mysterious
friend Dr. Persinger was involved.. no surprise there..

but from the lists you see there...

1) Practictioner of Kundalini Yoga --- check!
2) Deep and long term child abuse --- check!
3) I'm 1/4 Lakota Sioux and my grandma was a practicing medicine woman -- check!
4) I use "disassociation" as a moment by moment life strategy (I'm sorta a Budhist/Shaman) --- check!

So it's realy not surprising that I had an encounter.. especially since I'd had paranormal encounters
from the womb (before birth) and I actually TRIED to "summon" a "BTUFO" -- and it worked.

What's fascinating.. is that a common explanation for what happened to me might be that I had
temporal lobe epileptic tremors.. or just pure self-deception and what is called "hysteria".

Only... what I saw in 2013, turns out to be what 2 gentlemen (between them) saw in RFI in
1980. And of course all sorts of people see things like I saw... it's a flood of occurrences.

and some of these occurrences get caught on radar.. some damage people.. hell.. some have
healed people.. there's plenty of weird physical evidence.

So... despite the fact that I'm a SME on this entire topic.. that I've explained things on a painfully
simple level in full detail.. and I can provide additional details.. for some reason I'm a lone voice
in the wilderness.

That's ok..

At least you, the people with open minds, will have had "disclosure" long before anyone else..
as a reward for all your hard work.

other people may never get it.

Anyway...

I"m getting bored with UFOLogy and the Paranormal, as nobody wants to work with me on
bringing this home for everyone alive.. so... I am starting to wander away from the topic.

Shame really

Kev

a reply to: Baablacksheep

LOL!

Good one!

Nope. I know all about that torrid affair.

a reply to: mirageman

I'm not saying that some people were not confused at times...

And you know what?

If somehow the lighthouse was spraying red and blue lights as well as white ones,
which resulted in physical damage to multiple service members.. if it really did
that..

then by all means.. lets go with that.

I have no horse in this race.. despite what you might think... I'm not writing a book
or getting speakers fees. I'm a computer guy for a major university.. I just happen
to like looking into stuff like this.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I think the lighthouse played a part in the confusion for sure. I do find it difficult to believe this confusion carried on for 2 further nights. I also find Steve La Plume's sighting of a huge triangular UFO 3 weeks later from the base interesting.

But it's the Burroughs VA case that opens the can of worms. The stonewalling, the altering of his service records and the fact that it went to a Senator and was even brought to the attention of (then) President Obama. Whatever that was all about suggests a cover up of something.