Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

I am yet to finish reading this book.

Using the technology available to him. Green orders brain scans, specialized blood, DNA and endocrine test and compiles the results. At present he has more than one hundred active patients. His original hypothesis was that a majority of his patients had "been exposed to technology from black programs," he says, that is, advanced state-of-the-art, high-energy technologies developed in Special Access Programs. "Non-lethal weapons programs. Holograms. Cloaking devices. Drones.

To advance his hypothesis, based on the demographics and high-functioning of his patients, Dr Green teamed up with the Nolan Lab at Stanford University, run by Garry Nolan, one of the world's leading research scientists specializing in genetics, immunology and bioinformatics.

Green accepted his patients carefully. "They are all high-functioning individuals, many prodigious savants, most of whom carry a high security clearance," he says. "They are members of Special Forces, members of the intelligence community, employees of aerospace companies, officers in the military, guards of military bases, policemen. Often injuries take place of a military bivouac, [which is] an overnight mission at a secure location for the purpose of guarding, reconnaissance, or some kind of exploration...Common injuries are from something that is airborne [Something] that emits some kind of a light or a beam. Some orbs.

Phenomena: The Secret History of the U.S. Government’s Investigations into Extrasensory Perception and Psychokinesis

a reply to: AdamE

"Common injuries are from something that is airborne [Something] that emits some kind of a light or a beam. Some orbs. "

That's the most interesting line to me.

I've heard a lot of stories of people who see BTUFO, orbs, or some other shape and many of them
have "search light beams".

The BTUFO I saw had one too... a very bright white central light.. that flickered somewhat.. reminded me
of an arc welder light.. when I saw it, it didn't reach to the ground, maybe just 10% of the way to the
ground.. which is just weird. Light doesn't work that way.

If I could get one question answered about life, it wouldn't be about god, or life after death or
boring questions like that. I'd want to know the full story on this BTUFO mystery.

Kev

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Maybe I was quick to judge, or maybe not...interesting....

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I know the whole thing about projecting God onto the clouds and a voice to scare potential enemies etc is a theory that a few subscribe to, I dont include myself in that necessarily , however with Rendlesham we could suppose this could have been a test on military personnel to test similar effects of, confusion and "downloads" to people to see of what was projected and it's results. Hence the drugs and interrogation of personell after to see if it worked as planned the messages transmitted were picked up?

Sidenote: apologies typing on my phone is a knightmare

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: Baablacksheep

I see Godric has vanished / banned. What is interesting is John Burroughs seemed interested and likened him to the "Trickster". I wonder why?

m.facebook.com...

Hmmm maybe I was closer than you think with my guess he was Ossie? Maybe I got the names a bit mixed up? Or maybe it was all pointless?

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I appreciate that this thread is so large now that it's difficult to follow if you haven't read it all from start to finish.
There is summary way back to help catch up.

John Burroughs is well aware of the other thread linked. Primarily because it was the first and only time Dr. Kit Green commented on this incident. But pointe taken as well.

a reply to: mirageman

With Burroughs mentioning their names in terms of nursery rhymes, it is quite interesting that he used the word "trickster" regarding the poster.

In English nursery rhymes the trickster is usually a character called Jack/John who usually an archetypal English fool. Considering the character is English and RFI was in England is there a possibility that this individual was a actually there at Rendlesham?

I know I'm connecting many dots here and it's quite a tenuous link, but it's interesting that Burroughs commented at all in the first place regarding this person....

a reply to: pigsy2400

Spot on Pigsy!

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: mirageman

With Burroughs mentioning their names in terms of nursery rhymes, it is quite interesting that he used the word "trickster" regarding the poster.

In English nursery rhymes the trickster is usually a character called Jack/John who usually an archetypal English fool. Considering the character is English and RFI was in England is there a possibility that this individual was a actually there at Rendlesham?

I know I'm connecting many dots here and it's quite a tenuous link, but it's interesting that Burroughs commented at all in the first place regarding this person....

Hi pigsy2400.

If you scroll down on John's page, the Trickster is named as PENGUIN it seems.

If so, it leads to your question of, "is there a possibility that this individual was a actually there at Rendlesham?"

a reply to: mirageman

Mirageman was Godric not on ATS long ago? Just not as Godric. Looking at the various posts hes been busy on ATS in the past.

a reply to: pigsy2400

"project bluebeam" eh?

I never thought that I'd become so educated about (often) silly conspiracy theories.

I guess we haven't established just how purposeful the events of RFI were, or if
it was unanticipated damage control when unwanted attention came to the base
due to unusual and unscheduled events.

I'm thinking the latter.

Kev

a reply to: AdamE

"Penguin' is the "codename" for John Alexander, who is an expert
on non-lethal weaponry.

"Alexander describes his assignment in 1971 as an infantry officer at Schofield Barracks, Hawaii, during which time he went diving in the Bimini Islands in search of the lost continent of Atlantis. During his career in the army he showed exceptional interest in esoteric techniques explored by Lt. Col. Jim Channon in his First Earth Battalion manual. An example is neuro-linguistic programming, with which he hoped to create "Jedi warriors" (according to his own account in his 1990 book The Warrior's Edge). He has published another book, UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies, and Realities (ISBN 978-0-312-64834-3).

From 1982 to 1984, Alexander served in the U.S. Army Intelligence & Security Command (INSCOM) under Major General Albert Stubblebine. Reportedly, Alexander was one of Stubblebine's closest colleagues"

Ref: en.wikipedia.org...

"As a Colonel, Stubblebine participated in a special task force which defined the requirements of the U.S. Army for future conflict. By 1980, General Stubblebine commanded the Electronic Research and Development Command (ERADCOM). Stubblebine was strongly influenced by Lieutenant Colonel Jim Channon's New Age-inspired First Earth Battalion Field Manual (1979). Stubblebine became a proponent of psychic warfare and initiated a project within the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM), which he commanded from 1981 to 1984, to create "a breed of 'super soldier'" who would "have the ability to become invisible at will and to walk through walls". He attempted to walk through walls himself[3][4] — but failed, as he himself described in a 2004 interview.[5] (These activities feature prominently in Jon Ronson's 2004 book The Men Who Stare at Goats.[6][7])"

Ref: en.wikipedia.org...

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Now, do i think that Godric was "Penguin" ? No.
Do I think that John Alexander was involved with RFI? probably not.

But you can see that both Alexander and Stubblebine were crackpots (well I'm pot calling the kettle
black), they worked together.. and ERADCOM, which may well have been the unit that developed
non-lethal weapons for testing at RFI might have involved both of them.

Of course John Alexander as a SME could certainly 'heckle' the RFI thread.. but i hope he has
more decorum than to do that.

I just had to mention the minor possibility.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I highly doubt our Godric was Dr Alexander imagine that Kev its almost funny!

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I thank you for sharing your opinion on this.

Also the go-to man apparently in the world of psychotronics.

The Spock reference as well as others, remind me of his paper on the subject.
"Military Review 1980 New Mental Battlefield Psychotronics “Beam Me Up, Spock”
www.highstrangeness.tv...

Coincidence maybe, or maybe not. I am yet to decide and will move on.

If the object on the first night had anything to do with the subject of psychotronics, it would seem 'logical' that he or a friend may want to divide opinion and cause disruption, which as we know, goes on outside this thread.

But just my opinion.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: mirageman

Mirageman was Godric not on ATS long ago? Just not as Godric. Looking at the various posts hes been busy on ATS in the past.

I think its best we understand that this is now an ex-member, he has ceased to be, no more, expired and gone to meet his baker. We should no longer discuss him/her in this or any other threads in case we violate T&Cs. Any further discussion would be ultimately pointless anyway.

a reply to: mirageman

Easy come. Easy dough?

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Well I said that I doubted it too.

But I've met various world-famous figures.. and when they are
in private, they can be some of the most insane/evil/demented/petty
individuals you can imagine.

Anything is possible.

But that aside.. Dr. Alexander could well have worked on the systems
that we are presuming were tested at RFI. The timeline is about right.

That name "Penguin" was just strange... begging to be turned into
something like this.

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: mirageman

Easy come. Easy dough?

Little high, little low,
Hit me with a window, doesn't really matter to me, to me.
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me....

Enough of this Dough Hemian Rap City....

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

Always blows my mind, as they go out of their way to explain Black Triangle UFOs with the report.. out of nowhere..
it's like "tigers! there re no tigers here! suddenly talking about tigers". Makes you wonder what the hell. The buoyant plasma thing is brilliant.... trying to explain BTUFO with it... totally retarded.

Kev

Yeah, there seems to be some dichotomy there. Mixed signals.

On a related note, If I recall correctly, it was Nick Redfern that uncovered a Brit project and did a story on it for Fortean Times that was started either during WW II or shortly after that was looking at the weaponization of concepts related to ball lighting and maybe some things associated with Foo-Fighters. In light of what was (apparently) revealed in Project Condign that aspect probably deserves a revisit. Might be where some of the info in PC was gleaned.

A few years back there was some talk on a forum board that was MIC industry related and frequented by contractors that let some stuff slip about U.S. experimentation with buoyant plasma for weaponization. The comments were around for awhile until the info started making it's way to various other kinds of boards (like ATS) and then the comments were scrubbed.

I'll dig around when I get a chance and see if I can find Nick's article on the Brit study and/or commentary on the U.S. buoyant plasma experiments (pretty sure that was a Navy project.)

a reply to: AdamE

I am yet to finish reading this book....

Other than the chapter you've discussed I found it a very dull read. Good luck with that Adam. Although, as Spock would say, that one chapter is fascinating. Partly because it is rarely discussed on here or indeed many other places.

If the object on the first night had anything to do with the subject of psychotronics, it would seem 'logical' that he or a friend may want to divide opinion and cause disruption...

I agree in principle.

But what I struggle with is what this 'object' was and how it relates to all 3 (maybe 4 now) nights. If there was an object on the 1st night where did it go before the British Police and US military personnel arrived in the daylight hours.

Was there an 'object' on the other nights? If so where did that go in the daylight hours?

Was it a different object?

Or was there even an object at all?

What are your thoughts Adam?