Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: mirageman

Are you messing with me? You aren't really him are you?


Are you?

No. I am authentically not "Him".

I am a giant Dick, though.

Thanks for pointing that out.

With your pointed post.

Point!

a reply to: ctj83

Thanks, Godric, I think what you've said makes a lot of sense. I thought that you were meaning the binary code was from the 'device'.

Of course it was "from the device". Payload?

Stories from the imagination library is an excellent way to put it and it makes perfect sense.

"Imagination library" is straight out of Project Condign.

You haven't read it, have you?

a reply to: Godric

I have ignored your posts thus far, you sir, are rude and I do not see any value being added by calling people and their theories stupid. I am not saying that I agree with any of the aforementioned posters, but manners on your part would be nice.

You are not adding anything of value and are drifting this thread either on purpose for whatever agenda you have or your just trolling.

ATS is about putting ideas out there, questioning the narrative presented and debating our ideas. You have done nothing but insult people and that is not a mature way or the ATS way.

Back to Rendlesham...

originally posted by: Godric
It's all about stories, and if you believe Jim, what he touched was from the future.

Stories ... and what of each primary witness potentially having a nursery rhyme handle?

The following discussion is from the KGRA Phenomenon radio interview with Lindy Vaughn (‘Cookie’) (19 Jan 2017), featuring John Burroughs (JB), Linda Moulton-Howe (LMH), and Ronnie Dugdale (RD). Their shared insights seem remarkably lucid, and hint at something behind-the-scenes which has not been fully entered-into in the public domain:

JB: Everybody had a nursery rhyme assigned to them, correct? And one of the things that stood out: when General Williams did an interview, he said, ‘the cat was out of the back and he couldn’t put humpty dumpty back together again’. And within that same, you remember each one of us was giving a different name. Could you quickly ... go into what each one of us had, what our name was, if you remember?
Cookie: Does Linda realise what I did in the last show, and you affirmed it, that it did affect Col. Halt hearing it.
LMH: I think so, yeah. What do you remember where the rhymes of you and others?
Cookie: John was ‘Little Boy Blue’. Penniston was ‘Sing a Song of Sixpence’, which is all about numbers. Col Halt of course was ‘Old King Cole’. Larry Warren was ‘London Bridge’. Busty was very disturbing for me, ‘Ring a Ring a Rosey’ ... mine was ‘Hickory Dickory Dock’, and then I have questions because there’s one that I didn’t think was a nursery rhyme. It was called ‘Good Advice’. It is (a nursery rhyme).
JB: Penniston’s hypnosis: He’s in the middle of his hypnosis, and right before he talks about the sodium pentathol and being interrogated, he says, ‘Mary had a little lamb’.
Cookie: See but I don’t know who that is?
JB: Or was that the cue before they called you by your name? Do you remember that or not?
Cookie: It could be, because it didn’t fit anybody. Also, I have ’Jack B. Nimble’ and the ‘Crooked Man’ one—I don’t know who those belong to?
RD: I know. (Ronnie intimates that he knows the ‘Crooked Man’ but will not divulge the identity of the person: this person is still around and there’s a reason why he’s called the crooked man.’)

a reply to: Defragmentor

Mmmm. Is there not a few crooked men in the story?

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Hi Baa,

I should clarify, as I don’t think what I wrote was clear or fair to Jim. I didn’t see the full thing, only part and what I got from it was that the binary could not be from the RFI.

Could Jim genuinely beleive it did? I think that’s possible. I can see options.

I really think that the binary is a related but seperate mystery.

a reply to: Defragmentor

"Every nursery rime contains profound magical secrets which are open to every one who has made a study of the correspondences of the Holy Qabalah. To puzzle out an imaginary meaning for this "nonsense" sets one thinking of the Mysteries; one enters into deep contemplation of holy things and God Himself leads the soul to a real illumination. Hence also the necessity of Incarnation; the soul must descend into all falsity in order to attain All-Truth."

Magick By Aleister Crowley

Four and twenty black projects backed in a Pi. Sleeping Beauty?

a reply to: mirageman

We’ve never really dug into Verona afaik...

a reply to: ctj83

Hi Ct, What you say you saw is that the codes could not have come from the RFI, but then say
you really think it is related but a separate mystery. If it did not come from the RFI as per Jim's claims, where then did it come from and how? And the next question how would it be related then if not from the RFI?

Godric who seemingly is having fun with everyone and running amock on here teasing and playing Startrek , says it comes from the device/payload?

Whatever the reality is , it would be nice to see what your friend has on the matter.

a reply to: Godric

What was the device?

Under present knowledge superluminal communication is impossible[1] because, in a Lorentz-invariant theory, it could be used to transmit information into the past. This contradicts causality and leads to logical paradoxes.[2]

A number of theories and phenomena related to superluminal communication have been proposed or studied, including tachyons, quantum nonlocality, and wormholes.
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Physicists spooked by faster-than-light information transfer
Published online 13 August 2008 | Nature

Two photons can be connected in a way that seems to defy the very nature of space and time, yet still obeys the laws of quantum mechanics.
Physicists at the University of Geneva achieved the weird result by creating a pair of ‘entangled’ photons, separating them, then sending them down a fibre optic cable to the Swiss villages of Satigny and Jussy, some 18 kilometres apart
(please note map picture example from article)
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From author(name withheld/credentials verified) .....
Keep in mind the Space/Time Matrix is a field type medium unlike air or water which are particle based. The secret to plasma is due to its dual like properties couple to this Space/Time field and produce warp by stretching. Faster than light propulsion in other words. Warp a form of time travel

From this, one could postulate that some of the events in the forest could have involved experiments with faster than light communication and the possible consequences of such action within this particular area?

a reply to: AdamE

The last bit and to make the comment short. Yes.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Hey Baa.

I've no control or access to what I was shown now so I'll not be mentioning it again.

These are my own thoughts and I believe that twice Jim and John came close to solving what happened to them.

Once in the 90s - when I suspect that Jim came close, and needed to directed elsewhere.
Once for the both of them in 2010.

The binary didn't just occur accidentally or at random. If it occurred during the RFI, then it's clearly a GrillFlame test binary. In other words, remote viewing as of exactly the same type that was occurring at the same time in the SRI.

If it occurred later, as seems almost certain due to the Mapquest origin of the coordinates (without any proof of hacking there can't be an alternative) then it's a red herring.

I'd actually suggest that discussion of the binary code be moved to its own separate thread and kept out of this thread until those behind it can conclusively prove it is part of the original event.

a reply to: ctj83

I agree it belongs in it's own thread Ctj83.

I don't believe many have an interest due to all the problems associated.

Thanks for your thoughts.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

I see Godric has vanished / banned. What is interesting is John Burroughs seemed interested and likened him to the "Trickster". I wonder why?

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Some of the effects in the forest and elsewhere with the BoL imo could be put down to Sonoluminescence but the key being, it's theory in it's application for nuclear fusion. (In 1980/81)

Sonoluminescence can occur when a sound wave of sufficient intensity induces a gaseous cavity within a liquid to collapse quickly. This cavity may take the form of a pre-existing bubble, or may be generated through a process known as cavitation. Sonoluminescence in the laboratory can be made to be stable, so that a single bubble will expand and collapse over and over again in a periodic fashion, emitting a burst of light each time it collapses. For this to occur, a standing acoustic wave is set up within a liquid, and the bubble will sit at a pressure anti-node of the standing wave. The frequencies of resonance depend on the shape and size of the container in which the bubble is contained.
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[1] The mechanism of the light emission remains uncertain, but some of the current theories, which are categorized under either thermal or electrical processes, are Bremsstrahlung radiation, argon rectification hypothesis,[2] and hot spot. Some researchers are beginning to favor thermal process explanations as temperature differences have consistently been observed with different methods of spectral analysis.[3] In order to understand the light emission mechanism, it is important to know what is happening in the bubble's interior and at the bubble's surface
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a reply to: Baablacksheep

Not a great loss, he was even jousting with Springer in the skinwalker thread..
Could have been tricky dicky doty, or just another troll.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: Baablacksheep

I see Godric has vanished / banned. What is interesting is John Burroughs seemed interested and likened him to the "Trickster". I wonder why?

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That actually is interesting.

Perhaps, since we have Mr Burrough's attention, we could ask him to glance over this thread...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

...which mirageman posted in response to the US DoD settling his claim on the basis of the findings of the Condign Report, and if I could particularly draw his attention to this post...

originally posted by: Bybyots
I think that the most interesting thing about this case of Burroughs vs. The DoD is that Burroughs has leveraged that statement from Project Condign in such a way that it caused the DoD/VA to settle.

So if that is any indication of the veracity of Project Condign, that the DoD would settle rather than having the details dragged out in public, then that means that whatever irradiated Burroughs is not extraterrestrial in nature.

None of the suggested sources of UAPs described in Project Condign's report are.

Hmmm.

...and perhaps share with us his response, that'd be very helpful in clearing one or two things up.

Trickster they may be, but they're also en pointe. Are they not, Mr Burroughs?

originally posted by: KilgoreTrout

originally posted by: Bybyots
I think that the most interesting thing about this case of Burroughs vs. The DoD is that Burroughs has leveraged that statement from Project Condign in such a way that it caused the DoD/VA to settle.

So if that is any indication of the veracity of Project Condign, that the DoD would settle rather than having the details dragged out in public, then that means that whatever irradiated Burroughs is not extraterrestrial in nature.

None of the suggested sources of UAPs described in Project Condign's report are.

Hmmm.

...and perhaps share with us his response, that'd be very helpful in clearing one or two things up.

Trickster they may be, but they're also en pointe. Are they not, Mr Burroughs?

It follows pretty well. I can think of one or two alternate explanations, but they certainly aren't Occam's. Good to see you, KT. And you definitely zeroed in with that hint.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I read through most of the project Condign files.. as far as I know,
it never specified the source (terrestrial or extraterrestrial) of the
high energy effects.

I'm assuming terrestrial myself.. but that's just an assumption.

And I'm open to the effect being either natural/dumb BOL type effects,
natural/smart (sentient lifeform) effects or a pure technological creation
by the military.

I don't think that many conclusions can be drawn citing that source.

Now this excerpt from wikipedia:

"The report concluded that UFOs had an observable presence that was “indisputable”, but also that no evidence has been found to suggest they are "hostile or under any type of control".[1][3][4] According to its author/s the majority of analyzed UFO sightings can be explained by the misidentification of common objects such as aircraft and balloons, while the remaining unexplainable reports were most likely the result of a supernormal meteorological phenomena not fully understood by modern science.[1][4] This phenomenon is referred to in the report as "Buoyant Plasma Formation," akin to Ball Lightning, and is hypothesized to produce an unexplained energy field which creates the appearance of a Black Triangle by refracting light. The electromagnetic fields generated by plasma phenomena are also hypothesized to explain reports of close encounters due to inducing perceptual alterations or hallucinations in those affected.[5] The Condign report suggests that further research into "novel military applications" of this plasma phenomenon is warranted, and that "the implications have already been briefed to the relevant MoD technology managers."[6] The report also notes that scientists in the former Soviet Union have identified the close connection between the 'UFO Phenomena' and Plasma technologies," and are "pursuing related techniques for potential military purposes."[7]"

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Always blows my mind, as they go out of their way to explain Black Triangle UFOs with the report.. out of nowhere..
it's like "tigers! there re no tigers here! suddenly talking about tigers". Makes you wonder what the hell. The buoyant plasma thing is brilliant.... trying to explain BTUFO with it... totally retarded.

Kev