Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: ctj83

Short derail:
There is also research finding a link between gut microbiome and the brain, resulting in psychosis in some cases.

I find that interesting in trying to connect the dots regarding 'the phenomena', especially given the central role of the gut in some practices (shamanism, yoga, etc.).

Not dropping to conclusions here. It's a lot to digest.

a reply to: mirageman


Hello mirageman,

Thanks for sharing your impression regarding my post above although I do not share your view in any way.
Regarding your remark that Halt maintain that Larry was never there, that is not entirely correct anymore because he says later on and as John Burroughs has often said now that Larry was at least on the fringes during the time of the happenings.
I firmly believe that Halt follows an ‘agenda’ whether freely or “firmly” being told it would be much “better” for him to do that and I go for the last.
That’s why he does everything needed to keep especially that Capel green happening were his former base commander Williams was being involved out of the loop so to say, not even to forget the rest.

As John Burroughs said;

John F Burroughs I will never forget when Halt sent us a email saying back off of Warren were doing to good of a job tearing his story apart. He also told us we were going down a dangerous path and needed to reconsider what we were doing. You can't help but wonder how much that effected Penniston..

So I do not trust Halt in any way and I am surely not alone in this.
John Burroughs also says that he has lied about many things over the years, not only about Larry but also about him and Adrian.

John F Burroughs xxxxxxx I agree with your point but Halt lied about Adrian C. Bustinza III and my involvement from the beginning and continues to try and discredit anybody involvement if it does not fit his Lindy L Vaughn version of events. Other than Adrian C. Bustinza III and my involvement his story for the most part has stayed the same. Most people probably don't even know that Halt lied about Adrian and I early on..

But that doesn’t withhold John for keeping Halt’s lies about only Larry as being right, which is quite remarkable indeed.
I agree with your view that the RFI is a never ending story although a toxic one as Larry said once.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: AdamE

Thank you. I simply don't have the time to plough through everything. So much appreciated for the summary.

I gather from all the information you provided that you are leaning towards 'psychotronics' being used?

Although if JSOC was only active after December 15th 1980 would they be up to something at Christmas time? Especially on UK Land.

Anytime mirageman. No problem. I totally understand you dont have the time to plough through everything.

Yes. Leaning towards psychotronics. (I still need to dig more)

After the Vietnam war, Special Ops and Psyops were apparently on ‘Drawdown’ from 1975/76 to 1979 due to lack of funding.
It seems this time gap falls directly into the following device being patented: TAMI (Thought Amplifying and Mind Interface) also the timeframe of the apparent Montauk Project, along with Remote Viewing and behavioural perception experiments along with thought transfer during Project Gondola and Grill flame. This may have in my opinion, been extended or moved to the UK due to the ongoing tensions after the invasion of Afghanistan, the Iranian crisis and problems in Poland.

Psyops or Psychological Operations are initiatives which convey information to audiences in order to alter their thinking and behaviour. Also known as Military Information Support Operations or MISO in the U.S., Psyops work by manipulating the emotions, motivations, and objective reasoning of the audience it is directed at. The purpose of Psyops is to induce or reinforce attitudes and behaviours in its targets that are beneficial to the sponsor organisation.

To cut a long story short. JSOC was organised due to the failings of the hostage rescue in Iran.

As the first batch of pilots completed training in the fall of 1980, a second attempt to rescue the hostages was planned for early 1981. Dubbed Operation Honey Badger, it was called off when the hostages were released on the morning of President Ronald Reagan's inauguration."

Before it operated under the name ISA, a group was referred to as the Field Operations Group (FOG). FOG was developed because of a perceived need for greater intelligence gathering capabilities for the U.S. military. When hostages were taken in the Tehran embassy in 1980, it became clear that FOG needed to become a larger group with more resources. FOG became permanent and renamed ISA on March 3rd, 1981.

Maybe this was a test of some of the equipment for another potential rescue operation (as stealth backup to support 'other' units), but things went wrong on the 3rd night?

a reply to: spacevisitor

It is only my opinion of course. I have based it on a number of things. Even Larry's co-author Peter Robbins has conceded that "Left at East Gate" contains factual errors and I have seen other evidence to suggest he is far from reliable. But I would also prefer not to go into the rather unsavoury elements that accompany all of that.

I share your concerns about Colonel Halt. Unfortunately it appears all of the main cast are playing games at times.

However I am not sure what you mean by

That’s why he does everything needed to keep especially that Capel green happening were his former base commander Williams was being involved out of the loop so to say, not even to forget the rest.

Bustinza (along with the majority of witnesses) claimed Colonel Halt was there, not Williams. Are you suggesting that Williams (the Wing Commander) was at Capel Green that night?

a reply to: AdamE

Thanks Adam. I'd have to see more evidence that JSOC were conducting a test or exercise to be convinced of it. As I am sure you would.

But the psychotronics angle is definitely something that may have been involved.

Off at slight tangent now but did you see this today : WiFi-Capable Brain Implants: What Could Possibly Go Wrong? Especially one of the comments!

a reply to: mirageman


mirageman, you said;

It is only my opinion of course. I have based it on a number of things.

Thats oke, it works the same by me.

You said;

Even Larry's co-author Peter Robbins has conceded that "Left at East Gate" contains factual errors and I have seen other evidence to suggest he is far from reliable. But I would also prefer not to go into the rather unsavoury elements that accompany all of that.

Oke, no problem.

You said;

Bustinza (along with the majority of witnesses) claimed Colonel Halt was there, not Williams. Are you suggesting that Williams (the Wing Commander) was at Capel Green that night?

Larry always said that Base Commander Gordon Williams was at that Capel Green scene;
This pdf doc of which I am sure you are aware of contains amongst some other things also an interview from 1986 in which Raymond Boeche and Scott Colborn interviewed three witnesses named as A B C.

www.ignaciodarnaude.com...

In this Raymond Boeche and Scott Colborn interview is stated;

““When asked about the presence of the Wing Commander, Colonel Williams, (whose presence has been constantly denied by the Air Force), Airman A (which clearly seems to be Adrian) states, “At some point, I don’t remember when, Col. Williams arrived at the site.”

“Officer C has also agreed with the events as given, but adds his own significant titbit of information. He stated definitely that Colonel Williams was there, and that a film record of the events does exists. “The Colonel was driven to a waiting fighter at the RAF Bentwaters with a canister of film of a landed UFO. The film was given direcktly to the fighter pilot for transport to Air Force Headquarters at Ramstein Air Force Base in West Germany. I have no idea what became of the film.” ( Reference 3 )”

But the most important one is this confirmation from Halt.

In that same pdf doc from Raymond Boeche and Scott Colborn interview is at a certain page also stated;

“Halt’s most significant statement came when I told him that I had talked with an officer who stated that Colonel Williams was there and was driven back to Bentwaters with film of the landed UFO. In response to this , Halt said, “Yes, I can verify that for the Senator—I could substantiate that for him.” (Reference 12)”

As mentioned earlier in the thread, Richard C.Doty was invited on to Phenomenon Radio on 16th Nov 2017. This was based on his claims that he read a Top Secret Report conducted by the US Air Force Office of Special Investigations in 1984. Please research who this guy is if you have never heard of him!



Doty’s memory was unbelievably sharp for something he read 33 years earlier. Here are 25 points raised in the interview.

1. Fifteen minutes intro mentioning the Kirtland Air Force Base UFO sightings, Rendlesham Forest incident and Cash-Landrum UFO in late 1980. Cash-Landrum case is not mentioned again in the show. So why was it linked?

2. Doty had no involvement with the RFI. It was in OSI HQ at Bolling AF Base that he was asked to look through the case files in 1984 by Col. Law. The reason was to look for a connection with what happened at Kirtland earlier in 1980 and was directly related to threats by unknown persons or objects to nuclear weapons bases.

3. Further ‘instrusions’ had occurred at Hill AFB, Nellis AFB, and Offutt between 1979 and 1983 involving encounters with strange objects.

4. The file was requested by OSI not the Base/Wing Commander. In fact it was requested by Secretary of the US Air Force, Hans Marks. It contained 150 pages+, photographs(after the fact) and notes from agents.

5. Various witnesses were interviewed by OSI including Col. Halt, Gen. Williams, Maj. Zickler, Monroe Nevels, John Burroughs and Jim Penniston.

6. During the evening of 27th AFOSI agent from Lakenheath were conducting investigations for a delivery of narcotics near barracks in Woodbridge. These agents saw the strange lights during their operation.

7. Hypnosis was used on several witnesses but no mention of chemicals like sodium pentothal – no names given. This is used to overcome trauma in people’s mind after certain events.

8. Some witnesses were British and the Forest Manager (Ranger??) also assisted with investigations.

9. There were actually four ‘landing sites’ showing matching indentations.

10. The case was reopened in Aug 1981 after lab analysis results on tree bark. Molecular structure had been changed. Soil samples showed it had been burned. Plants showed signs of mutation. No explanation could be found.

11. Witnesses saw a triangular object, lights, light beams. Some said several craft. Nevels saw balls of light sitting on the ground which shot up above tree level and disappeared.

12. A couple of witnesses saw ‘aliens’ around 1.5m tall (Doty stresses that use of metric was unusual!) with grey tight fitting suits. They were silent and did not respond when spoken to. The two/three witnesses were not named as Doty could not remember them or the night they were seen! The witnesses were deemed highly credible by OSI in the report. This was the point at which Linda jumps in reading the HOAX memo from her book but fails to address the point that it was a hoax. Doty did not see any link and did not take the bait.

13. Msgt. Robert Ball took 8/16mm film of the incident. But Doty did not see it. It was turned over to Lt. Englund or Major Zickler.

14. Larry Warren is mentioned in the report. He wrote a statement but the information was not credible and there are some problems with that individual that Doty did not go into further detail about.

15. Doty saw the word ‘terahertz’ in a technical collection part of the report but did not study that section and offers no further enlightenment on it. Other than the witnesses were exposed to an ‘unknown’ form of radiation.

16. Nothing in the report about the CIA being involved in the case. But if they were they would work under cover of another agency anyway.

17. The identity of a white coated gentleman who gave a brief medical examination to the witnesses’ right after the incident remains unknown.

18. The Wing Commander (Gordon Williams) tried to stop the OSI investigation and refused access to files and the names of the witnesses until high pressure was applied. He believed it all to be a hoax.

19. A civilian in Ipswich provided photographs he had taken 26th Dec. 1980 of an object to American agents. The report did not explain who they were or which agency they worked for.

20. The fact that Rendlesham is UK property meant UK permission was sought from the Forest Manager to go off base??

21. The Soviets were testing EM weapons near NATO nuclear weapons bases. But their technology was rather lacking and the report said the incident was not caused by the Soviets.

22. The ordnance at the base was not tampered with nor were there signs of damage to the Weapons Storage Areas (WSA).

23. Wendelle Stevens has a copy of the report Doty talked about although shorter and heavily redacted.

24. Doty concluded that this was some kind of extra-terrestrial visitation.

25. The question was put to Richard Doty that if this report was classified could he get in trouble talking about it? However it was put to him amongst a number of other questions and he completely sidestepped and avoided answering. It was not asked again.

If I have a criticism of talk radio/TV shows it is that the hosts don’t seem to have studied basic questioning techniques. This even applies to some well known TV chat show hosts. There is often a tendency to use multiple questions all in one go. (For example “So tell me what have you been up to lately? Have you enjoyed this and that? Are the family OK with you doing this and did you realise this before running with the current plan?”)

What happens then is that the guest addresses one part and then rambles off topic. This was the problem here as well a number of times. Doty’s pauses and mid-sentence digressions were also suggestive that he was winging it in many places. His 'name' drops were particularly suspect. I also have serious questions about Linda Moulton Howe's attempts to inject a falsified UK MoD document into the narrative and making out it was genuine.

But make of it all what you will.......

a reply to: spacevisitor

Thanks for that spacevisitor. It opens up even more holes doesn't it? If a serious incident was happening on the base then the highest ranks would all surely be involved?

So was it serious? Or just a bunch of airmen rambling in the woods?

If it was serious why were there no alerts, no call for air cover and the Base and Wing Commander seemingly distant from everything going on?

a reply to: mirageman

An excellent summary Mirageman. Very revealing.

I found Linda's odd and very specific and detailed interjection strange. Certainly considering her lack of involvement overall, strange in of itself because of Doty's intentional deception of Linda in the past. Heck, the woman lost a HBO commission because of waiting for Doty.

If I were John, I'd want to consider if Linda had preplanned that interjection, and if so, was Doty aware of this before hand?

I think John should also question why Bledsoe is part of the same UAP group as him, when MUFON has, publicly and on video discredited his narratives of meeting aliens and possibly the entire encounter.

a reply to: ctj83

PODcasts/video's do have a script in many occasions so I guess it's the same here. There's always preperation involved.

On another note, like mirageman said, I also thought Doty's memory was very sharp.

I even recall Doty saying something along the line 'the file I'm looking at' which suggests he had it (or a prepared part) in front of him during the interview.

This may be an incorrect presumption, but I guess it comes with the bagage ...

a reply to: ctj83

I would find it highly unlikely John woukd not know and rather consider that he did.....

Of course assuming it was as you suggest.

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

Which, if correct, is disturbing in implication, because the document has long been seen as a bad fake.

a reply to: ctj83

Linda's or Doty's?

Linda's or Doty's?

I'd say both.

The information on Linda promoting a hoax memo is here in the thread : link

As I mentioned earlier a question was posed to Doty about whether he could be in trouble for talking about top secret documents. But because of the barrage of multiple questions he was hit with in one go he didn't even address it. It was also not pursued again.

I agree there will have been preparation for the show. Perhaps even a lot of collusion. I think more important questions are why has Doty suddenly entered the RFI as a player and why did Linda inject a false document?

They both promote the ET angle as the answer but what is the REAL evidence for that?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: AdamE

Thanks Adam. I'd have to see more evidence that JSOC were conducting a test or exercise to be convinced of it. As I am sure you would.

But the psychotronics angle is definitely something that may have been involved.

Off at slight tangent now but did you see this today : WiFi-Capable Brain Implants: What Could Possibly Go Wrong? Especially one of the comments!

Again, not a problem mirageman. Thanks for the link too.
Yes. I'd have to see more evidence that JSOC were conducting a test or exercise to be convinced of it.
I will follow the path and see what comes up.
On the theme of psychotronics and a slight shift to the binary download...

Some of the revelations the former CIA anti-terrorism counter intelligence officer revealed included that “Google Earth was set up through the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency and InQtel.” Indeed he is correct, the CIA and NGA owned the company Google acquired, Keyhole Inc., paying an undisclosed sum for the company to turn its tech into what we now know as Google Earth. Another curious investor in Keyhole Inc. was none other than the venture capital firm In-Q-Tel run by the CIA according to a press release at the time.

Shipp also disclosed that the agency known as the Joint Special Ops Command (JSOC) is the “president’s secret army” which he can use for secret assassinations, overturning governments and things the American people don’t know about.
deusnexus.wordpress.com...

So, the coordinates from the sacred sites page were in the hands of National Geospatial Intelligence Agency and InQtel so is it possible the coordinates being sent to Jim via psychotronic means?
IMO, nothing surprises me anymore.

a reply to: mirageman

It seems likely, as John had quoted Linda's Glimpses Of Other Realities in relation to binary code, that Linda, Burroughs and Doty had discussed the fake document about aliens with badly computer synthesised American accents.

They likely discussed Cash Landrum as well.

So all I can conclude is that Cash Landrum was thrown out there intentionally. As always, there is never a link discussed even though the show began with that premise.

At this point here is what I think is clear:
Cash Landrum is something Doty is happy to explain as an experimental craft. RFI he doesn't know
Burroughs, Doty and Linda decided to focus on the discredited document likely facilitated by Noyes into the RFI, without talking about its discredited status as a legitimate piece of evidence.
The UAP group is likely not the straightforward treatment group of genuine experiencers it wasdescribed by Burroughs, Nolan et al as. No doubt why Penniston had reservations about joining it.

The BIG question - John has the greatest exposure but the least 'out there' stories. Why?

If Burroughs came closest to the object and clearly suffered the worst injuries, why is he the one with the least fantastic sounding story or delusions?

He has no silver suited aliens. No PTSD that he's spoken about. No craft or symbols. No binary code. No headaches when thinking about the event like others.

How does that make sense if you ascribe those things to either:
- the results of a coverup / hypnosis
- the result of Condign radiation?

John has the greatest exposure. I don't see how it can be either radiation or a coverup because John behaves the most rationally of any of the airmen. That shouldn't be. So, in my opinion, you can rule out the effects of Condign Type Radiation (I'm assuming terahertz) or alleged hypnosis cover up by any party to explain the current situation.

a reply to: AdamE

Your post is very interesting Adam.
I don't rule out the last bit...

a reply to: ctj83

Remember John is writing about, a code within a code, and there is stuff out there which is suggestiive he received something.

However, the proof is in the pudding ....

a reply to: ctj83

The synthetic English voices reminded me of an interview with captain Hollanda regarding Colares. Could not find the specific quote though and perhaps we shouldn't go there.

It also reminded me of Mars Attacks so ...

The most interesting part of the whole interview imo was the question about Russian microwave experiments. You could notice the doubt in that question to even bring it up.

Valid questions there. Couldn't come up with a rational explanation besides John being a rational man.

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ



Which suggests the real interest in John might be that he can resist the influence of Condign Type Radiation.

There are, in my opinion, just two possible solutions.

1) He simply is able to separate out and filter the more suspicious things that happen/occur.

Or

2) He is either immune to the effects of CTR or the phenomena / whatever decided it was too risky to mess with him.