Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: Baablacksheep

I have more coming. I've messaged you. You'll see why.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Defragmentor

You queried if there’s method in the madness. During the Joiner interview (13-Jan-2011), Penniston comes to a moment of ‘total recall’:

And then comes the book "Encounter in Rendlesham Forest" published Mar 2015. Some four years later.

So it looks Cabansag went forward but only a bit further forward as Chandler was now the relay. Still leaving only Burroughs and Penniston.
Four years on and it's more like a moment of "Scrotal Recall"? Penniston talking bollocks again (Sorry I just couldn't help that joke no matter how bad taste it is).

Maybe he's now compromising with Burroughs? Cabansag isn't quite up at the front with both of them but neither is he back at the jeep. Cabansag of course does not remember being a radio relay at all. So what is the truth?

However he could also be purposely relegating Cabansag's role so it becomes his word against Burroughs as the magic happened in the forest. Whereas leave Cabansag in the story and it's a 2:1 majority against him

Thinking aloud here: what if everything (or much of what) you thought you knew to be true, wasn’t true? You might swear blind that your version of events is true. You may become antagonistic about it when challenged to the contrary.

Believe me. I have a completely contradictory memory to one of my best friends of an event that happened at the end of the last century. We laugh about it now because it was not traumatic. But we still can't agree, at all, as to what happened. So yes memory can be a tricky thing.

If something more sinister is behind some of the 'memories' of events, attributing for some of the conflicting testimony, then perhaps witnesses are more innocent than we might believe.

There seems to be an underlying layer of the case. Were some of the witnesses messed around with chemical or even technological methods to scramble their memories? Does this explain why things are so divergent? Surely you agree that Penniston's account is by far the most problematic one?

Hi mirageman. In reply to your last question.
Would any of this played any part in any technological method to scramble brains or even more?

Thought Amplifier and Mind Interface – TAMI

The rapid deployment of this technology occurred because it only required software changes in already existing radar, imaging, and communications’ terrestrial dishes and satellites. Many additional spy satellites have been launched since to bolster the system. So in 1976, on the bicentennial of this great nation, a system called TAMI was born. TAMI is an acronym for “Thought Amplifier and Mind Interface”. A more invasive “Big Brother” technology came about before George Orwell’s prediction of 1984.’ www.freedomfchs.com/thematrixdeciph.pdf.

Anyone near a TI can be influenced by TAMI
‘TAMI, can hone in on a compatible mind and instantly be able to manipulate it to some varying degree dependent upon many factors. The offense practices their trade by influencing people near a targeted individual to convey information only pertinent to them, for spy games. These people are everyday citizens unfamiliar with this high technology. The effects are so subtle without lots of training to detect, nobody would be the wiser. They would at most just question why they did that or felt the need to say that.’www.freedomfchs.com/thematrixdeciph.pdf. martinacable99.wordpress.com...


Paul Baird (Human Rights Advocate)
www.surveillanceissues.com...

Low Intensity Conflict and Modern Technology 1986.
ce399.files.wordpress.com...

a reply to: AdamE

Everyone's time is limited. I'm assuming you've read these pages? So...............hidden amongst these links.

What is the answer to my question?

a reply to: ctj83

Thank you Ctj83

For those interested in this, here is a part of a transcript I wrote from the moment that John Burroughs welcomed Larry Warren to that famous KGRA show with Linda Howe and their guest Adrian Bustinza and because I have listened really many times to this conversation and it looks very clear to me that Adrian was definitely together with Larry in that field near that craft of which he, Larry, always spoke about.
I am very curious to what other members find of this.
I could have made some errors here and there so if that's the case then please correct me.

“Adrian bustinza, FULL radio interview on the rendlesham incident Gepubliceerd op 29 aug. 2015

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John; Larry I want to welcome you to the show.
Larry; well thanks John.
John; and were I want to go with this last halve an hour is over the years there’s been a lot of talk about different things that went on out there and I want to set the stage.
Adrian had two different encounters with two different things I want to Adrian to start with ……. I want him to go a little bit more and into detail about what he encountered first before him and I went forward and then start have and you go back and forth about what you saw and what went on.
So go ahead Adrian.
Larry; I like that and that be great and it’s great to have the opportunity of my old friend, it’s been a long time.
John; so go ahead Adrian.
Adrian; talking a bit about from where to start…..
John; no when you got right when you coming up where you and Larry were together and what you guys saw together and what when on like the mist and the whole thing and Linda has a couple of questions on that.

“I firmly assume that right after John said that to Adrian and Larry has absolutely not being together with him in that field he surely would cq definitely should have said that right from the beginning, but he didn't”

Larry; that was in the field Linda by the way, before, that wasn’t in the trees.
Linda; he?
Adrian; right, in the field you know what I was talking about and eh you recall the eh haze that I was talking about the yellow haze.
And you know it was you know at night it got cool the temperature would drop eh and that night we had our field jackets on eh it was kind of cool night, it wasn’t very cold but that mist that you know that hung out eh that’s one thing that always baffled me about.
Eh, what it was you know because I know it wasn’t no fog and Larry I mean do you recall that mist I was talking about and…
Larry; oh absolutely and the eh that red light of in the trees eh well the amber of light you were describing anyway and I mean again folks we have not talked to each other in 35 years eh at all and eh that again there were a lot of people there and Col. Halt was on 500 yards on the other side of the farmhouse and I think that’s were you and John later had the thing when he went into the light and all. Yea I won’t forget it……………….………….people got to understand how really fractioned and weird this thing was for days and weeks and month maybe how different people deal with it to recall, but do you remember them blue lights that were near the ground and it, like do you remember something about that, or have I been, there was something intelligent about all that with maybe a face, I am just wondering, or is that going too far for you.
Adrian; No eh, and that part of the eh part of it that you and I experienced that it’s very hard for me because and one time you know, I mean, its confusion, and the confusion is the battle that I have.
Larry; I don’t want you to have any trauma with this my brother ………………..
Then Linda; Larry, Larry you are referencing that glowing sphere that you told Ben Jamieson and me about in 1986 that you could see what appeared to be two or three heads or faces with large black eyes in some sort of a spherical glowing something?
Larry; I saw something of the right of that thing that kept change and like Adrian describes the whitish rainbow thing, eh, you know it’s hard.
And it broke into three parts like you describes he says five I can remember three, I remember, eh, very clearly, well, what I remember clearly, I don’t even remember leaving the forest and that only came up last year when. Adr, buzz do you remember leaving the place because John and I did a show you’re depicted in it and your actors look like you guys, lucky you, ehm, when I left you were there and other guys Ball, Bobby Ball all the guys he send me back but I can remember eh, oh man, eh, if I have only this things depiction of how active it was out there that night, wasn’t just Col Halt’s group.
I forget what I was going to say because I am so overwhelmed that eh, it’s so long with all this.
Linda; Larry, you have us described long ago what you said was a yellow misty..
Larry; yea honey I am outranking for many, I am the whistle-blower for the dam thing so I know.
Linda; oke, and right now what is so interesting this night is now we have comparity points between what Adrian has talked about seeing something that exploded like a fireworks, your long ago description of seeing something split or exploded in the air above a yellow round eh misty, something you compared to an aspirin. I wonder if tonight for the first time in stereo Adrian has his memory that seems to resonate with what you described in the early eighties.
Larry, yeah.
John; Adrian do you remember any of that?
Adrian; yes I do and you know eh l never you know come out and say it, eh this, but that I recall but there was a point what Larry is talking about, eh, were the amber light and the bright, eh that snowy eh picture that I am telling you about at one point Larry and myself, if I recall correctly Larry walked around and I stay put and what is he referring to it was like a snowy picture and you could see a silhouette
Now the silhouette that I was seen is I think I have mentioned this to you once before John that I couldn’t tell it was, eh, oke I just come out and say it I could not tell it was a being or if it was Larry but then I saw the same thing with you when the light hit you.
But going back to with Larry, you know, I mean, it was I can’t tell you exactly how long but on that incident yes we all saw it appeared like Larry was in that you know eh I know he walked like a distance from me but when they broke its when the the haze the little the fuzzy snowy picture it just all could use together and then just burst into different into you know into different parts.
But you know that were I have difficulty with, is that, did I, did I see something or was it the silhouette from Larry and other people but then I go back to your part when you got hit with the light and almost the same thing happened.
But I know where you are but I am also seeing something else I am not sure of maybe it was a reflection of you or was it or was it a being.
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originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: AdamE

Everyone's time is limited. I'm assuming you've read these pages? So...............hidden amongst these links.

What is the answer to my question?

The mind can be altered and false memories implanted via remote means as well as chemically induced/hypnotically induced and imo was probably used during and after the events.
This is a subject I have always found intriguing.
Titled 'Low-intensity conflict and Modern Technology' 'The electromagnetic spectrum in low-intensity conflict'.

An interesting but rather worrying read. PDF pg3 and pg4 are just a couple to note. (please read for more of an idea on how it may fit to RFI)

Considering the following... 'Dr. Adey was a member of the MIT Neurosciences Research Program and edited a
volume for them entitled Brain Interaction with Weak Electric and Magnetic Fields.
Another 1977 volume in the same series was edited by Dr. Robert D. Hall of the
Worcester Foundation for Experimental Biology (site of MKULTRA Subproject 8).
Dr. Adey worked as a consultant for NASA, the Department of Energy and the Veterans
Administration. He was the project leader for the Medical Hazards of Microwaves
Exposure, US/USSR Exchange Program beginning in 1976.
In the same year he became a member of the National Academy of Sciences panel on biosphere effects of extremely
low frequency radiation. Both of these subjects are of direct relevance to non-lethal weapons programs.'

So the gears were already moving in this general direction (electromagnetic radiation) before 1980.

IMO we need to know what the possible sources of THz could be, as Cookie was being led by a voice it seems, this would or could suggest a second source manipulating or communicating with her. That is, the THz probably came from the object which may be due to its propulsion or interaction with Far-infrared laser.
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
The following is possible source of second source?
Stealth RADAR techniques were first recorded by observing
the Russian bombardment of the U.S. embassy in Moscow with microwaves.
Using high powered steered phased arrays and focused directed energy
from two sources next to each other, one can create a nearly
undetectable "scalar" wave, or destructive interference at the point
of interest. With just a minor energy interaction, the interfering
beams bounce back with strong signal to noise ratio to be resolved at
the sources again. This allows for any imaging technique to be done
from extremely large distances. In effect, it makes distance
irrelevant to the detection feature, be it RADAR, MRI, or ESR imaging.

At the same time, the Russians had discovered and were developing
similar capabilities. This accelerated the secret arms race that
continues to this day. The research and capabilities have come a long
way in the last 30 years. Even if one didn't have direct access to the
knowledge of surveillance capabilities, one could project out in time
30 years knowing technology developments increase at an exponential
rate. At that time the military demonstrated the capability of reading
automobile license plates from satellite images.

In order to cover up and not draw attention to mind reading radar, the
whole field of psychic phenomena and paranormal psychology was
invented to deceive the civilian populations of what was occurring.
The Russian's showed their hand when they started bombarding the U.S.
embassy in Moscow with microwaves in the late 60's, and then with the
7 Russian Wood Pecker transmitters that began operation in 1976
pointed at the U.S.
www.oregonstatehospital.net...

There is that word again. Scalar.

JSOC Joint Special Operations Command became active December 15th 1980


Despite its innocuous sounding charter, JSOC has made strides in the special operations field and is comprised of rigorously screened and accessed Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and Civilians. These men and women possess unique and specialized skills, and are routinely among the best in their field. Among them are seasoned combat veterans who cut their teeth by participating in joint special operations liked the Son Tay Prison Raid in Vietnam War which took place in 1970, long before JSOC was activated.

More recent members of the Command include active duty special operations veterans of all services who have successfully completed the toughest training regiments and demonstrated their mettle under the most challenging and difficult circumstances, including combat. As a result, past and present members of JSOC have participated in all of our nation's wars and contingency operations since it was activated in 1980.
www.military.com...



JSOC - Components
JSOC has the following units under its umbrella:
 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta (Delta Force )
 Regimental Reconnaissance Company (75th Ranger Regiment)
 Intelligence Support Activity (ISA)
 Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU) (SEAL Team 6)
 24th Special Tactics Squadron
(USAF Combat Controllers / Pararescuemen)
When operating as part of a JSOC task force, attached supporting units such as elements of the 75th Ranger Regiment and the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment will fall under control of JSOC. Special Forces CIF companies may also be temporarily brought in for JSOC operations.
Other units that are either detached to or directly support JSOC include:
 PSYOPs
JSOC is provided Military Information Support Operations (MISO, previously known as PSYOPs) by a division within the Intelligence and Operational Security Directorate (ISOD).
 Army Compartmented Element (ACE)
ACE is an United States Army Special Operations Command (USASOC) directorate involved with providing intelligence for Army special operations units. Within ACE is a unit known simply by its abbreviations, BI. This secretive cell is beleved to be staffed by undercover female intelligence collectors and interrogators.

Note: It has been rumoured that Delta Force has also been known as Army Compartmented Element (ACE). This confusion may have been the result of a deliberate effort to obscure any open source reference to one or both units, although it may simply be a case of someone seeing the ACE's listing in Fort Bragg's phone directory and assuming this was Delta Force's new cover name.
www.americanspecialops.com...

Psyops or Psychological Operations are initiatives which convey information to audiences in order to alter their thinking and behaviour. Also known as Military Information Support Operations or MISO in the U.S., Psyops work by manipulating the emotions, motivations, and objective reasoning of the audience it is directed at. The purpose of Psyops is to induce or reinforce attitudes and behaviours in its targets that are beneficial to the sponsor organisation
powerbase.info...

IMO Anything happening that may have been under a possible SAP (Special access Program) would lie at the doorstep of JSOC/Units of JSOC.

I also found this in reference to Mary had a little lamb'.
In 1984, the U.S. military launched a five-month experiment called Project Jedi (named after the Star Wars knights who were able to use "the Force" to perform unusual feats, including using a weapon blindfolded). It tested the use of neurolinguistic programming, or NLP, as a new way of teaching recruits how to shoot .45 caliber pistols. NLP is described in Project Jedi as "a specific discipline developed to model human excellence."

In Project Jedi, the Army carefully dissected the way three expert marksmen behaved during shooting. Their physical moves on the pistol range were carefully documented, and so were their thoughts as they fired. They were asked: When you shoot, what are you saying to yourself?

The researchers found, for example, that if they required the marksmen to hum "Mary Had a Little Lamb," while they shot, their performance dropped significantly. After gathering all this information, an independent contractor developed an experimental training course based on the expert marksmen's model.
www.washingtonpost.com...

originally posted by: mirageman
So what is the truth?
... Surely you agree that Penniston's account is by far the most problematic one?

Penniston’s ducks (16, 17 of them?) at this stage seem to be scattered all over the pond and I suspect Gary Osborn might be trying to establish a mathematical equation of some cosmic significance to line them all up. Trouble is every time a new duck appears, it pushes everything back as the equation is re-calculated.

As intrigued as I am by the possibility of Jim being an intergalactic patsy, I don't think I'll be picking up that book when (if) it drops.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
This is why the witness statements closest to the event get the highest weight, and in the RFI case it's quite obvious how accuracy has degraded over time since we have different versions of events told by the same people at different points in time. None of the students in the research claimed OSI was messing with their memories, but they just didn't believe their memories could be that wrong.

It seems prudent to weight the earliest testimony highest, but I still have this lingering question over transparency while one is on active duty, observing the official Secrets Act, within a hierarchy of authority, and with a career /pension to protect. Is there a possibility of sanitisation, of pressure? We have Halt’s very own choice of words regarding his memo in that it was 'cleaned up', and insight into what he thought was a ‘PR disaster’ on the third night.

There’s also a question of someone witnessing an extraordinary event and the possibility of them undergoing or experiencing trauma in its aftermath. That might account for Doty’s statement that hypnosis was used to try and extract extra information?

By no means am I saying the latter testimony is more reliable though.

a reply to: spacevisitor

Hello spacevisitor,

Glad you could stop by again and thanks for the transcript.

My impression of it is that Adrian, for whatever reasons has changed his story to accommodate Larry Warren being there. But then tells of a second approach to the 'fuzzy' light with John Burroughs. Of course Halt has never mentioned what happened when Adrian and John encountered the strange lights and maintains that Larry was never there.

That all said. It wouldn't surprise me if Larry pops up yet again somewhere in this never ending story.

i remember reading somewhere that multiple still and film cameras recorded the event(s). has anyone ever seen or heard of any footage or photos that may have been leaked?

a reply to: AdamE

Thank you. I simply don't have the time to plough through everything. So much appreciated for the summary.

I gather from all the information you provided that you are leaning towards 'psychotronics' being used?

Although if JSOC was only active after December 15th 1980 would they be up to something at Christmas time? Especially on UK Land.

a reply to: RoScoLaz5

Yes. I will come back to that later this evening. I have to go for now.

a reply to: mirageman

At around 11% of cases, could there be a connection with the far out state ufology gets into, and the immunological results of UAP radiation.

Some psychosis cases an 'immune disorder'

a reply to: ctj83

Yes indeed. Maybe it affects mammals as well?

a reply to: RoScoLaz5

i remember reading somewhere that multiple still and film cameras recorded the event(s). has anyone ever seen or heard of any footage or photos that may have been leaked?

There are a number of stories about still and film cameras recording the incident.

1) Jim Penniston said he had a camera with him on the first night (25th/26th Dec 1980). He took a number of pictures of a 'craft of unknown origin' but when they were developed at the base photo lab they came out 'fogged'. His story and no one has corroborated it.

2) Monroe Nevels, the Disaster Preparedness Officer supposedly took photos on the third night (27th/28th Dec 1980) and they were also fogged. Again no verification other than his story to that.

3) Adrian Bustinza and Larry Warren claim certain personnel were present on the third night shooting film footage. Bustinza gave an interview back in 1987 to Larry Fawcett : Link to pdf of interview

He does not say who confiscated what in that interview.

"ADRIAN BUSTINZA - The guys used to have pretty good confidence in me out there, and, I don’t know.
One of the guys told me that he had taken a picture. They confiscated the cameras from some of the personnel there and the film. I can’t remember if it’s Burroughs or the other guy they said, “I switched the film, I got to get my film out of the camera.”

LARRY FAWCETT - That’s what I heard. Larry had told me he thought you did it.

ADRIAN BUSTINZA - No, I was on duty that night, and I didn’t have my camera with me. I wish I could
have done something like that."

But then in Georgina Bruni's "You Can't Tell the People" published in 2000. Bustinza was more forthcoming and admitted he was one of the people confiscating cameras with Colonel Halt taking possession of them. He also remembered doing so in the KGRA interview highlighted back here : link



I also find it interesting that Bustinza, an NCO (ranked Sergeant), says he did not carry a camera when on duty. But Penniston (Staff Sergeant) claims he did.

"I had my notebook and my camera while I was out there because cameras were carried because of terrorism to take pictures of base encroachments. ...

Interview 2002

Interfering with the duties of a British Police Officer is pretty serious stuff. Colonel Halt would certainly not have jurisdiction on Crown Property. That story takes some explaining.

As regards all of the above. None of these photos have ever been made public.

Larry Warren has made a number of photos public down the years. He claimed this was one of the craft in the forest.



But it seems it may have been a fake created by placing a piece of glass over one of his paintings and then manipulating the photograph with software.




There is also a story about an officer shooting 8/16mm footage of the incident. But that will have to wait until later.

a reply to: mirageman

From the "First Responders" page.


www.facebook.com...

Monroe Nevels confirmed the Lights in these photographs as what he witnessed on those nights 27/28 December 1980

If the photo is a fake. Does that make Nevels description a bit dodgy?

a reply to: Defragmentor

I don't think I'll be picking up that book when (if) it drops.

According to this review copy uploaded by "Inner Traditions Publicity", there appears to be a series of books been created. www.scribd.com...

Jim Penniston and I are currently completing a series of books together on the results of the study

Does not appear to be any "singular definitive" book anymore ?


I guess the findings re Sacred-Destinations simply do not matter?