The report on Sandy Hook has just been released by the state's attorney's office.

reply to post by Vaedur


30k...... lol maybe in like 1982.

reply to post by TKDRL


Installed by professionals and of good quality with things like motion tracking and maybe a few RFID readers, sorry. That's what we spent on ours like 2 years ago.

reply to post by Vaedur


You got ripped off I think. I got 6 infared cameras with motion detection, a PC to record and run them, for under 10 grand.

reply to post by TKDRL


I should be easy to find out the company that installed the video cameras and monitors in SH elementary. And see if recording was possible. If that information isn't available then something continues to stink about this whole affair and stink bad!

And the excuse of it malfunctioned or wasn't turned that day....even deepens the conspiracy.

Vaedur
reply to post by vkey08

 

Your looking at about 30K atleast for a few cameras and a DVR, which most likely only keeps a weeks worth of images, and writes over them.
Feeding to a monitor is much much cheaper then having a security system with DVR. I believe it.

good god, where are you looking? any halfway competent I.T. guy could put together a good video surveillance system for a fraction of that cost...

it's not a matter of it not being affordable....it's a matter of mindset.....

Vaedur
My view on this report and these kind of reports:
Not every fact makes it into a report, as they are written by humans, who are not all English majors, or understand how to write a well thought out report. Things that contradict are the same as all the long papers I wrote with conflicting information. It happens. They did their best. They don't want to go over all the silly mistakes that law enforcement made, because a tragedy of this scope has never really happened, and the fact is that nothing is going to change that. This report is a "we aren't sure why it happened, or what we could have done to prevent it" type of report.

a tragedy of this scope has never happened before? were you asleep for columbine, virginia tech, aurora, and all the other big shootings?...or maybe the federal building in Oklahoma city? oooh, wait, how about that little piece of business in NYC back in '01? did you miss that too?

BIGGER tragedies than this have happened...RECENTLY...

when it takes them a goddamn year to write a friggin' report, i expect all the i's dotted, and t's crossed...i expect everything to be explained, so that there is not even a HINT of doubt left as to what happened...

what i don't expect to see is conflicting information, inconclusive test results, repetitive filler, and a mini-bio about the addled mind of the alleged shooter...

what we have here is a report that looks like it was thrown together over a weekend, by a couple of sergeants fueled by pizza and beer...

Because of No Child Left Behind requirements, I find it doubtful that Connecticut towns are simply choosing not to fund their schools adequately. In fact, Connecticut recently ranked 6th in the nation in test scores. Hardly seems like a state where corners are being cut.

Further, at a scant 79 miles from New York City, I find it unfathomable that residents were in an "it can't ever happen here" state of mind. Residents of this area should be all too well versed in the pitfalls of "terror."

The idea that they would install a brand new, state of the art camera system without recording capabilities does not ring true. Possible? Sure. Anything is possible.

As others have noted, it should be no trouble to produce records of who installed this system and exactly what specs were involved. But let me guess...none of our business, right?

reply to post by vkey08


I hate to say it but maybe you missed what happened a couple years before?

en.wikipedia.org...

Mass shootings in CT have happened in the past. So the what here does not really fly.

reply to post by JBA2848


riiiight.....i think this falls into the category of personal information....

you might wanna make that go away before you get munsoned by a mod..

reply to post by JBA2848


That wasn't in a school, it was a business and an adult. There was a huge difference. If you wanna go that route Hartford and Bridgeport have high murder rates and drivebby's as well, that's different than someone walking into a public school and firing off a bunch of rounds at children..

That's what I meant by "it doesn't happen here" I still stand by that as well. For the most part, our schools have been immensely safe over the years without the need for gadgets and security guards that treat parents like an enemy. All this has done is give a bunch of rent-a-cops the ability to be assholes to everyone.. Especially parents..

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Try being a parent with a child that has special needs in this state.. Funding is sparse and not really there. They updated the classrooms in many schools to have smart boards, and they changed the internal curriculums a few years ago, but you don't need a lot of fancy technology or money to help kids do better on tests, that was just a switch in the teaching methods.

Special needs kids, funding is being cut right and left, they are mainstreaming kids that shouldn't be, and cutting off services that would normally be required under the child's IEP. Hell in town here two administration staff were just "retired" for diverting school funds to their own personal accounts over the course of three or so years, causing a deficit in the school funding of about 1.5 million dollars this year alone.

Connecticut, while they may rank up in test scores, does not equal lots of money.. even though we have the highest per-capita income and the highest property taxes in the nation. Try living here for a while, you'll understand that a lot of that cash does NOT make it to the projects that it's intended for.

vkey08
reply to post by notquitesure

 

Try being a parent with a child that has special needs in this state.. Funding is sparse and not really there. They updated the classrooms in many schools to have smart boards, and they changed the internal curriculums a few years ago, but you don't need a lot of fancy technology or money to help kids do better on tests, that was just a switch in the teaching methods.

Special needs kids, funding is being cut right and left, they are mainstreaming kids that shouldn't be, and cutting off services that would normally be required under the child's IEP. Hell in town here two administration staff were just "retired" for diverting school funds to their own personal accounts over the course of three or so years, causing a deficit in the school funding of about 1.5 million dollars this year alone.

Connecticut, while they may rank up in test scores, does not equal lots of money.. even though we have the highest per-capita income and the highest property taxes in the nation. Try living here for a while, you'll understand that a lot of that cash does NOT make it to the projects that it's intended for.

It sounds like your child is very blessed & lucky to have a parent who advocates on his or her behalf (and the behalf of the teachers) to the school district to make sure that both have the proper resources to learn and teach. Equally as important, your child is very fortunate to have a parent who is actively involved in his or her life and education.

Sadly Connecticut is not an anomaly in terms of educational funding and not the only State who does not earmark specific taxes for education. The Federal government involvement through No Child Left Behind and all the problems associated with it provides enough material for countless threads on the topic as does the disaster that is Common Core; but such discussions in this thread would only derail the topic.

Hoping to steer the discussion away from topics of school funding and cameras and back to the report, I have some questions that I ask these not with an answer in mind or an agenda to push, but hoping folks might be able to factually answer them:

(1) The report states: "Two of the items examined from outside the building of SHES, one from the shotgun in the shooter’s car and a second from 36 Yogananda Street yielded DNA profiles consistent with the DNA profiles of two victims killed in SHES, one in each. It is strongly believed that this resulted from an accidental transference as a result of the unique circumstances of this case. There is no reason to believe that either victim would ever have come in contact with these items. The DESPP is conducting a separate protocol inquiry in an attempt to determine the reason that the DNA appears on the items."
Question: Noting that the CSI at 36 Yogananda and SHES were done by separate units and tests conducted in separate facilities; how do samples get contaminated or is there a more disturbing explanation?

(2) The report states: "The two sweat jackets were both C-Sport brand black zip up hooded sweat jackets with no size listed and were located immediately outside the shooter’s car; Both are believed to have been brought there by the shooter." Someone floated the idea that the sweatshirts were used to cover the long guns during the drive to the school, which somewhat makes sense...
Question: What causes LE to believe that the sweatshirts were brought there by the shooter and not provide/offer an substantiation for this belief?

(3) The report states: "The broken area of the window that the shooter shot out measured approximately 35.33 inches wide and 42.5 inches high."
Simple question: Can Adam Lanza wearing gear fit through that broken area?
More complicated question: Should one assume that the furniture was re-positioned to it's proper location by someone before the photos were taken or that Lanza managed to not disturb the chairs when he allegedly climbed through the hole?

(4) The report states: "After college, the brother moved out of state. He reached out to the shooter a few times but the shooter did not respond. As of December 14, 2012, the older brother had not had contact with the shooter since 2010. The brother believed that the shooter and his mother had a close relationship."
Question: As it is alleged that the Lanza brothers were estranged and there is nothing to indicate that an identification bearing the name Ryan Lanza was found at SHES; how did a credible law enforcement source leak the name Ryan Lanza as the identity of the shooter? (Note: Ryan Lanza's name leaked prior to the discovery of a crime scene at 36 Yogananda Street)

(5) Not in the report, but related to it: How do a school bus driver and six children (who had fled the gunman) together flee the school and run(?) about a half mile away from the school and, instead of finding help they just plop down on someone's front lawn?
Question: Has the bus driver ever been identified or interviewed?

in a previous post, i had brought up items one, two, and five....take a look, see if they make sense to you..

NickDC202
(3) The report states: "The broken area of the window that the shooter shot out measured approximately 35.33 inches wide and 42.5 inches high."
Simple question: Can Adam Lanza wearing gear fit through that broken area?
More complicated question: Should one assume that the furniture was re-positioned to it's proper location by someone before the photos were taken or that Lanza managed to not disturb the chairs when he allegedly climbed through the hole?

Entirely likely...you're talking about a breach measuring almost 3 feet, by almost 4 feet...i could fit through that hole, in full gear, and i'm substantially taller, and heavier than the subject in question...

(4) The report states: "After college, the brother moved out of state. He reached out to the shooter a few times but the shooter did not respond. As of December 14, 2012, the older brother had not had contact with the shooter since 2010. The brother believed that the shooter and his mother had a close relationship."
Question: As it is alleged that the Lanza brothers were estranged and there is nothing to indicate that an identification bearing the name Ryan Lanza was found at SHES; how did a credible law enforcement source leak the name Ryan Lanza as the identity of the shooter? (Note: Ryan Lanza's name leaked prior to the discovery of a crime scene at 36 Yogananda Street)

the phantom ID has been one of the most curious anomalies....it's not talked about much, but that doesn't make it any less strange....that part of it legitimately feels like a set up..

reply to post by Daedalus


You forgot something in the "dont expect to see" part : The obvious cross contamination at the crime sceneS.. as in both at the house and school. Thats not been addressed.

reply to post by NickDC202


Agree that thread drift needs to be prevented, but also feel that the camera situation is important.

We find out from the report that the camera system had no recording equipment. Are we supposed to accept everything the report says at face value, or are we allowed to question its veracity?

When someone (not you) is working so hard to convince that this is a non-issue, it feels like even more of an issue.

Thank you for bringing up your other points. There is much to be addressed.

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reply to post by Daedalus

 

You forgot something in the "dont expect to see" part : The obvious cross contamination at the crime sceneS.. as in both at the house and school. Thats not been addressed.

no, that was covered under "conflicting information".

but I'm real glad so many of you are picking up on this most curious anomaly..

Daedalus

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You forgot something in the "dont expect to see" part : The obvious cross contamination at the crime sceneS.. as in both at the house and school. Thats not been addressed.

no, that was covered under "conflicting information".

but I'm real glad so many of you are picking up on this most curious anomaly..

What makes it even more curious is that the official information provides us with the facts that establish different entities did CSI at each scene and there was not any of the same individuals at the Lanza home and SHES. Furthermore the analysis of material at each crime scene was performed at different labs.

I can't even hypothesize a logical explanation to explain the DNA of two victims not named Lanza being found at the Lanza home.

reply to post by NickDC202


yes, I'd mentioned this at well, in a previous post....school victim DNA on the savage .22 rifle at the residence....very oddball.

you should check out my previous posts in this thread..

I, too, cannot come up with even so much as a theory that makes any sense in my mind as to why or how DNA from victims at the school could show up on the gun at the Lanza home. I find it interesting that the authors of the report apparently felt the same way, as they mention it as a kind of unsolved curiousity. This, while very strange, makes me think that there might not be any foul play involved, at least not at the hands of the authors of said report, as they would probably decide to just not mention it if they had an idea as to how that might have happened in a more nefarious way (not trying to get off-topic, but remember the 9-11 report that didn't even mention WTC7 collapsing in near freefall speed? Yet everybody saw that on TV; nobody saw what DNA was on what gun in this incident. It would've been entirely insuspicious to simply not mention).

Nonetheless - or maybe even moreso - an immensly curious issue. Sadly we will probably never know how that happened.

The other thing I find most curious has been mentioned here as well, namely the whole issue with the brother's ID. Why would Adam have Ryan's ID on him when they hadn't seen each other in years? Why did that ID then magically vanish? And if they had NOT found Ryan's ID on Adam's body, why and how did they find him (Ryan) so quickly? I am still a little confused as to why they were even looking for him immediately. I'm not a policeman, but if I'd find an ID on someone's corpse and decided that the picture on the ID looked just like the guy I had right in front of me, I'd probably not immediately look for a living person by that name. But that's wild speculation, maybe they somehow knew immediately that that person is not Ryan Lanza, or at least considered a strong enough possibility to go and take a look. Even the very strange initial report about somebody in New Jersey having been killed in connection to this case can be dismissed as very bad journalism and lack of fact-checking, in the confusion of two names, one of which was the shooter and also killed a family member, and the other the brother out in New Jersey. I just find this whole brother ID business very curious overall.

About the man who talked to several reporters about the kids that came to his house: I don't mean to offend or bad-mouth anyone, but maybe the reason his story doesn't seem to make much sense is because it never happened. Maybe this man has some kind of mental issues, or maybe he simply enjoyed the attention of the news, so he decided to make up a story. Or maybe something did happened, but in all that chaos he got his facts mixed up and that's why everything seems all over the place and his story changes everytime he talks about it. I am deliberately not mentioning the gentleman's name, and I hope the moderators don't consider this post as offensive in any way, as it is not meant to be. In fact, the argument I'm offering puts him in a much more favorable light than what he has been accused of by others, both on here as well as in several youtube videos.

The jackets I believe were to hide the long rifles. You have to remember that he was loading guns at his house while a gas delivery guy was at his house delivering gas. Nobody seems to mention who this was or even if he was questioned. The neighbors place the delivery guy there and the time he was there. Receipt was found at the house. No more information or comments on it.