The report on Sandy Hook has just been released by the state's attorney's office.

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1. I agree a good IT guy could put together one at a fraction of the cost, but to call a security company, have one installed that is "top notch" can be rather expensive, and saying "we don't need to record video" to cut it into a specific budget is not out of the scope in how purchasing for a IT department works. Maybe the teacher's union thought "it's unfair to record to use against us". Regularly I go to a company and say 'we have to fit it under..' and they sell us right up to a dollar amount. It's very possible they wanted feature a,b,c,d,e and could only afford feature a,b,c,d and cut e to fit a budget.

My point is, I can see how to fit a budget, they could not have it record, because buying a dvr and having it installed from a security company is rather expensive.

2. My point about the report is that it "maybe the people who wrote it did a poor writing job" and the things we speculate may not even been issues in an official investigation with more information then we had. It's not their job to report to us every detail, instead, it's their job to try to paint a picture of what happened and why, and it's obvious they don't know the why, and are sketchy on what.


A good story for you. we had a virus outbreak where I am. It was dealt with by law enforcement because of the nature of our data. I argued with the police tech for about an hour why his USB drive would not work on our windows 2000 machines. He didn't understand the issue of lack of installed drivers. He kept trying. He was a State Police IT investigator, and he admitted IT wasn't his thing.

You are all forgetting the human element. Some people just suck at their jobs.

Daedalus
reply to post by NickDC202

 

yes, I'd mentioned this at well, in a previous post....school victim DNA on the savage .22 rifle at the residence....very oddball.

you should check out my previous posts in this thread..

It was found on the shotgun in the car and did not specify where it was found in home.
Nor did they say whose it was aside from belonging to a "victim".
For some reason I think it far more likely to be that of an adult yet I have logical basis for that.


As for the report painting a picture, it surely must be a prime example of abstract expressionism.

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Go to the Connecticut post they have the recordings.

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reply to post by Daedalus

 

You forgot something in the "dont expect to see" part : The obvious cross contamination at the crime sceneS.. as in both at the house and school. Thats not been addressed.

What? You mean they cut raw chicken and chopped veggies on the same cutting board! This changes everything!

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reply to post by Daedalus

 

You forgot something in the "dont expect to see" part : The obvious cross contamination at the crime sceneS.. as in both at the house and school. Thats not been addressed.

What? You mean they cut raw chicken and chopped veggies on the same cutting board! This changes everything!

lol, wow...

yeah, it does kind of change everything, when the chicken, and veggies were done in two different kitchens, and had no way to have met up...

lemme guess, you find the report accurate, and have no suspicion that something is amiss here, AMIRITE?

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sweet....i found recordings on youtube as well....

Asktheanimals

Daedalus
reply to post by NickDC202

 

yes, I'd mentioned this at well, in a previous post....school victim DNA on the savage .22 rifle at the residence....very oddball.

you should check out my previous posts in this thread..

It was found on the shotgun in the car and did not specify where it was found in home.
Nor did they say whose it was aside from belonging to a "victim".
For some reason I think it far more likely to be that of an adult yet I have logical basis for that.


As for the report painting a picture, it surely must be a prime example of abstract expressionism.

edit on 11-12-2013 by Asktheanimals because: added comment

i remember someone earlier in this thread quoting the report as saying that the DNA was found on the .22 rifle at the residence...

if i'm mistaken, then that sucks, lol

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i'd say that if they have a district I.T. department, like every other district i've ever worked for, they'd be able to put that kind of thing together...maybe they do, maybe they don't...it's a moot point though, as they obviously didn't do anything of the sort....

as to the report....26 people died....if i were the police, i'd be investigating the s**t out of ANYTHING that seemed curious, out of place, anomalous, or just plain strange....settling for the bog standard "lone gunman" solution is lazy...

how is it that we have so many questions, even after the report is out, and they seem to be satisfied sending the taxpayers a report that resembles swiss cheese? i'd personally never release a report like that..

Daedalus
reply to post by Vaedur

 

how is it that we have so many questions, even after the report is out, and they seem to be satisfied sending the taxpayers a report that resembles swiss cheese? i'd personally never release a report like that..

We're good at asking questions ... and not ashamed to do so.

Though there are many reasons I think the two most likely are:
1. They didn't find conclusive answers ... so they chose not to address the issues.
2. Some things were botched ... and they chose not to address their incompetence.

Like you, I would never release a report like that. How they got away with sitting on it for a year is beyond me. I'd bet half a month's pay they were hoping interest fatigue would let them get away with it ... and they were right. Even my interest is waning.

Haven't read the actual report yet, but I've noticed a few things about this case which one might interpret as evidence of some kind of cover-up, possibly of the existence of other shooters.

1. A number of black sweatshirts were found scattered on the ground around Lanza's black Honda, according to a witness who arrived at the scene before the police. All four car doors are hanging open when police arrive on the scene. Police remove a shotgun from the passenger seat and lock it in the trunk. Then they close all the doors and remove the sweatshirts from the scene for some reason.

2. A man placing a 9-1-1 call says that his wife texted him saying there were "shooters" (plural) in the Sandy Hook Elementary School building.

3. Another call from inside the school indicates that someone had seen two shadows running past the gymnasium windows.

4. In a police scanner recording, an officer is heard saying "They're coming right at me! This is it!".

5. As Helious has already pointed out, the out-of-town armed tactical officer not even addressed in the official report.

6. One hundred and fifty shots seems like a lot for one person to rip off in five minutes with multiple reloads. It would certainly be more plausibly accomplished by more than one person.

7. Adam Lanza was reported shot - if I'm understanding this right - kind of what you might call "in the back of the head". I don't remember the exact phrasing, but the description was clearly not of a typical way of shooting yourself in the head.

8. There were numerous anonymous "law enforcement officials" quoted in the media throughout the early hours of the tragedy making statements that turned out to be false or otherwise misleading.

9. Policeman Vance makes a public statement to the effect that the official truth of what has happened and is happening at Sandy Hook is what he says it is. Anyone who wants to contradict it does so at the risk of prosecution.

10. There is a veritable quarantine of the scene in the early aftermath. EMTs are held at arm's length at the fire station. Twenty children with gunshot wounds are apparently "declared dead" by police.

11. Bodies are secretly removed from the school under cover of darkness, this after police had announced that they would be left at the crime scene for some unusually long stretch of time, like two days I think.

12. The town clerk took it upon himself/herself to refuse access to standard public records related to the deaths of the victims.

13. The demolition crew was legally sworn to secrecy regarding anything they might see at the school.

We always want to find a Reason, there always needs to be a second layer, some "truth" that we desperately need in order to justify these kind of tragedies.
Sometimes the truth is far more simple, and far more frightening:
there are monsters out there.
nothing more, nothing less.
People that snap, people that just want to create pain, and fear.

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Hold the mirror up to your statement , the same could be said about what you say with regard to anything other than a lone crazy shooter.

IShotMyLastMuse
We always want to find a Reason, there always needs to be a second layer, some "truth" that we desperately need in order to justify these kind of tragedies.
Sometimes the truth is far more simple, and far more frightening:
there are monsters out there.
nothing more, nothing less.
People that snap, people that just want to create pain, and fear.

I think the problem is we don't have a verifiable first layer.
I don't even like to wonder about what happened at Sandy Hook.
But there's something about it like a splinter in your head that won't go away.

Had Adam Lanza survived the case for the prosecution (based on what is in the report) would be purely circumstantial.
Aside than his body being at the scene they have:
1) no motive
2) they can't positively match the murder weapon to the bullets fired
3) there is no video of him leaving the house or arriving at the school,
4) nobody can I.D him positively as the shooter (wearing shades and hat by some accounts)
5) and multiple people running from the scene detained.

Not exactly an airtight case, enough to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that Adam Lanza was the sole perpetrator of the crimes. With a year to write the report it should have been a fairly simple thing to show the public that story we were given was the absolute truth. Not a "slam dunk" for the prosecution by anyone's standards.

Daedalus
reply to post by Vaedur

 

as to the report....26 people died....if i were the police, i'd be investigating the s**t out of ANYTHING that seemed curious, out of place, anomalous, or just plain strange....settling for the bog standard "lone gunman" solution is lazy...

how is it that we have so many questions, even after the report is out, and they seem to be satisfied sending the taxpayers a report that resembles swiss cheese? i'd personally never release a report like that..

That is a great post Daedalus-- very logical and, in my opinion, explains the frustrations that many of us have with this report.

Port Arthur Police video

Guy in blue coat and camera in hand reminds me of someone

youtu.be...

Not saying its Gene but kinda looks like him, wish it wasn't grainy.

Daedalus
reply to post by Vaedur

 

as to the report....26 people died....if i were the police, i'd be investigating the s**t out of ANYTHING that seemed curious, out of place, anomalous, or just plain strange....settling for the bog standard "lone gunman" solution is lazy...

Yeah, I agree with this part definitely. They did a poor job and a lazy job. Most likely a combination of a poor job, and trying to cover up the Local LE's poor job.

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Not to mention, all of the DNA evidence and such would have to be tossed out, or it would work in the defense favor. Afterall it either means the forensic team screwed up bigtime and contaminated it, or someone else came and popped the mom with a weapon used at the school, after the school shooting.

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The weapons involved and the way they were used/selected merit deeper consideration. The one used in the Lanza home (while obviously effective) makes little sense to me. Either of the handguns or the AR would seem to be the logical choice.

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There's also the question of how DNA from one of the victims in the school got on the shotgun that was allegedly found in the car. The most obvious guess would be that the shotgun was in the school at one point in close enough proximity to the victim to get his/her DNA on it.

Snarl
Like you, I would never release a report like that. How they got away with sitting on it for a year is beyond me.

the sad part is, it probably DID actually take them this long to get the report together, lol...if this is their best work, i'd hate to see their worst...

I'd bet half a month's pay they were hoping interest fatigue would let them get away with it ... and they were right. Even my interest is waning.

which is sad, because the people that died that day deserve better than to be forgotten...