America; A Coward Country

Every person in this country has much to be thankful for, you included.

^ This.
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reply to post by beezzer

I was more inspired by the comments in the thread.

Hmm, thankfully it's short; so, what? The posts by member cuervo? which in my opinion are pure gold, he's such a true-heart, that one. The confusion about what the tea party is? I don't know, Man, I watched that Klayman video from today, he cites that it has been "5 years". 5 years? Since he's been pissed? I've been that pissed for roughly the same reasons for 14 years. Well, I stopped being pissed, actually about the time that Klayman started getting pissed; so it's really hard for me to take him seriously.

I know this is not the first time that you have been introduced to the topics in skyfloating's thread, right? The social engineering stuff?

beezzer

buster2010
No the government doesn't want cowards or people to live off them. People that are working pay taxes and getting taxes makes the government happy a unemployed person makes the government sad because they will take money away. The huge corporations that the TPers supports wants cowards because that is where the money is made. Like food stamps JP Morgan runs that the more people on food stamps the more money for JP. So instead of the TPers pointing at the government crying you are causing the problems should look at the corporations they support and see that they are the ones that turned the government into what it is today and turned America into a shambles so they could make more money.

Corporations and government are both in it together. Corporations can't function without government giving them the say-so.

Like healthcare, some refuse to take responsibility and gladly surrender to government authority, while others resist the insult to their own independence.

But those that refuse to cede are probably haters, huh?

The corporations own the government that's like saying a master in his slave is in it together. One of them has to start it all and seeing how corporations are writing the laws now it's clear to see who owns who and who is in charge.

You claim some refuse to take responsibility when it should be obvious to anyone than many people simply couldn't afford the overpriced healthcare system in America. How is it the TPers can't see this.

reply to post by Bybyots


I like Cuervo. We don't always agree, but he is smart.

What drew me was the misconceptions of the Tea Party by some others who feed off the social meme that thinking independently is bad. That wanting to be independent is wrong.

buster2010

beezzer

buster2010
No the government doesn't want cowards or people to live off them. People that are working pay taxes and getting taxes makes the government happy a unemployed person makes the government sad because they will take money away. The huge corporations that the TPers supports wants cowards because that is where the money is made. Like food stamps JP Morgan runs that the more people on food stamps the more money for JP. So instead of the TPers pointing at the government crying you are causing the problems should look at the corporations they support and see that they are the ones that turned the government into what it is today and turned America into a shambles so they could make more money.

Corporations and government are both in it together. Corporations can't function without government giving them the say-so.

Like healthcare, some refuse to take responsibility and gladly surrender to government authority, while others resist the insult to their own independence.

But those that refuse to cede are probably haters, huh?

The corporations own the government that's like saying a master in his slave is in it together. One of them has to start it all and seeing how corporations are writing the laws now it's clear to see who owns who and who is in charge.

You claim some refuse to take responsibility when it should be obvious to anyone than many people simply couldn't afford the overpriced healthcare system in America. How is it the TPers can't see this.

Then why didn't the wise great government look to ways of lowering costs instead of finding ways to pay for the HIGH costs?

(because if they had done that, there'd be less people dependent on government)

six67seven

buster2010

butcherguy
reply to post by beezzer

 

Where's my Obama phone?

I heard a guy at work the other day say that he is beginning to feel stupid for working. He has several completely healthy relatives that haven't worked for decades. They live courtesy of the charity forced upon taxpayers. He has a strong work ethic, but after watching this for so many years, he is being worn down.

It certainly seems like it could be the goal of the government to have this effect on working people.

But when everyone is on the dole.... who pays for it?

Don't you mean Bush phone? The program started under him.

Nope, he means exactly what he said... obama phone. cuz it was a "thing" create by obamaphone lady. I dont think you get it. There is no right/left. I know I speak for others when I say, we are not affiliated with a political party, we don't have a seat at the table, we are trying to make people realize they dont have a seat either, and its time to realize the truth and fight for one (seat at the table). You cannot, will not shut us up!! We are the people.

Sorry I forgot facts don't work when you are talking to TPers.

I just read so much cramp my mind is baffled.

talk about divide and conquer.

I have to read something intelligent, something less baffeling before I confuse myself and end up needing a sex change.

jimmyx

beezzer

jimmyx
why don't you just come out and say it, beezzer...anybody that doesn't have a good job, or is poor, is a loser, all due to their own laziness and apathy, so screw them. loud and clear, buddy...just like all the past revolutions, it was the poor and wretched that had nothing to lose, and had no hope of a future, that killed off the smug and arrogant people of privilege and wealth...so keep up the blame and shame on the underclass, and let history repeat itself, you can't help it if that's all you know.

A great example of social engineering.

I'm supposed to "care".

And by "caring", I'm supposed to cede my rights to self-determination for the good of the collective.

I should be ashamed of my success. Embarrassed by achieving my goals.

If people want to give up their independence to a central controlling authority, then they deserve the title that they have earned.

cut the crap, what rights have you ceded to self-determination for the good of the collective??..and who talks that way?...I've only heard that type of language on old star trek shows...the ACA does not take away your rights. you still have to buy insurance from the same companies as before, it's now a more competitive free-market based choice.

sure, at gunpoint
or are you unaware that you're forced to pay into the ponzi scheme...
or else.

reply to post by beezzer


Beezer,

It's going to be okay. The difference is that people will have to become "independent" together. Just like in that very hopeful thread that you posted about how folks can gang up and leverage their financial power to get insurance for themselves, that's how everything is going to be.

The internet will allow people from all over the world with like minds to gang up like that and form what are called federations to leverage all sorts of stuff. People are already doing it with systems like AmazonPrime. You and I will be old men when this becomes the norm and we are all credentialed and have a single logon* system everywhere for every network that we access to buy or sell.



*ETA: Which is to mean this: you know how you have to have all those passwords and user names to logon to all the different stuff that you access? In the very near future, you will have one; 1 logon key. For this to work, you will have to be who you say you are, and your signature will be vetted by a credentialing agency.

Double smiley.

beezzer
reply to post by dlbott

 

My good fortune was brought about by my efforts.

Or are you on that "you didn't build that" kick?

Forgive me for asking, but didn't you just retire from the military and move back to the states from Germany, or do I have you confused with someone else?

Bone75

beezzer
reply to post by dlbott

 

My good fortune was brought about by my efforts.

Or are you on that "you didn't build that" kick?

Forgive me for asking, but didn't you just retire from the military and move back to the states from Germany, or do I have you confused with someone else?

Nope. You got it. I had a very successful career and now am working in the civilian market.

I worked for what I got.

beezzer

Bone75

beezzer
reply to post by dlbott

 

My good fortune was brought about by my efforts.

Or are you on that "you didn't build that" kick?

Forgive me for asking, but didn't you just retire from the military and move back to the states from Germany, or do I have you confused with someone else?

Nope. You got it. I had a very successful career and now am working in the civilian market.

I worked for what I got.

Well forgive me again, but don't you find this thread at least a little hypocritical considering you spent the majority of your life depending on the government for work and doing what you were told?

There is so much irony, hate, fear and all around awfulness in this thread and the two that inspired this one. First of all political correctness syndrome is blown way, way, way out proportion in that thread and in general by the Right and second... no rally is going to oust Obama and send him running to Iran I have to ask WTF you are thinking supporting such nonsense?

I never thought of you as brainwashed til now Beezer... I'd tell you that I'm disappointed and that you've lost my respect but somehow I don't think it will matter... zealots don't care whether people who don't think like them respect them or not because they don't have any respect for different.

Are you being possessed by Ayn Rand?

/done

Bone75

beezzer

Bone75

beezzer
reply to post by dlbott

 

My good fortune was brought about by my efforts.

Or are you on that "you didn't build that" kick?

Forgive me for asking, but didn't you just retire from the military and move back to the states from Germany, or do I have you confused with someone else?

Nope. You got it. I had a very successful career and now am working in the civilian market.

I worked for what I got.

Well forgive me again, but don't you find this thread at least a little hypocritical considering you spent the majority of your life depending on the government for work?

edit on 19-11-2013 by Bone75 because: (no reason given)

Actually the government depended on me performing a job that I was paid to do. When our contract was over, I opted to leave. My education, my degrees are mine. My experience is mine. My capabilities are mine.

I think the government did very well by hiring me.

But this thread is not about me. Start a beezzer thread.

This thread is about conforming to the social engineered meme of fear.

Kali74
There is so much irony, hate, fear and all around awfulness in this thread and the two that inspired this one. First of all political correctness syndrome is blown way, way, way out proportion in that thread and in general by the Right and second... no rally is going to oust Obama and send him running to Iran I have to ask WTF you are thinking supporting such nonsense?

I never thought of you as brainwashed til now Beezer... I'd tell you that I'm disappointed and that you've lost my respect but somehow I don't think it will matter... zealots don't care whether people who don't think like them respect them or not because they don't have any respect for different.

Are you being possessed by Ayn Rand?

/done

Just shaking the tree and seeing what falls out.

Not everything is nice hugs and lavender soap.

beezzer

Kali74
There is so much irony, hate, fear and all around awfulness in this thread and the two that inspired this one. First of all political correctness syndrome is blown way, way, way out proportion in that thread and in general by the Right and second... no rally is going to oust Obama and send him running to Iran I have to ask WTF you are thinking supporting such nonsense?

I never thought of you as brainwashed til now Beezer... I'd tell you that I'm disappointed and that you've lost my respect but somehow I don't think it will matter... zealots don't care whether people who don't think like them respect them or not because they don't have any respect for different.

Are you being possessed by Ayn Rand?

/done

Just shaking the tree and seeing what falls out.

Not everything is nice hugs and lavender soap.

I'm not particularly known around here for being warm and fuzzy, I think consensus would probably sound like "socialist bitch" so it isn't that you hurt my feelings with your thread... my critique comes manly that you've adopted the absolute laziest viewpoint of non-conservatives and Americans in general and I thought you were better... you were better, I didn't imagine that. Now you've just shrugged your shoulders and joined the mindless chant of your peers... "typical liberal". It is so incredibly obvious you are now no longer interested in discussion or debate with anyone who thinks differently than you.

reply to post by beezzer


Good luck in the private sector! For some reason I feel you are going to need it!

It certainly isn't hugs and lavender soap...

Beezer. Nicely put! I agree wholeheartedly. The farmer mentality of being completely self reliant has all but disappeared.

To take your idea and give it a slightly different spin... I think it may be a natural outcome that stems from living in big cities. I live on the East coast, but I was raised by farmers in Oklahoma. The difference in work ethics alone is immeasurable. Most people around here can only do one thing well. The amount of money and energy they spend taking care of all the other aspects of their lives is ridiculous. I wouldn't have the slightest idea how, but I think that we need to get away from the whole idea that one should educate himself in such a manner that he becomes master of one skill set in his life. Be it his job or whatever, i think it's near impossible to bring any sort of balance to that way of living. There is a good amount of fear that comes along with this way of being as well because of the huge vulnerability that comes with it. inevitably it all leads to a culture that has to put way too much emphasis on protecting it's own weak ass..

I think there comes a sort of understanding and relaxed confidence with the "jack of all trades" mentality, it stems from a preparedness for random situations that inevitably come given enough time. Spending all of your time perfecting a single skill effectively traps you into that specific arena, which can lead to a dog eat dog mindset, It's no good and in the end it will do a lot of damage to the community as a whole.

Whether or not we consciously walk the path to a more self reliant way of living. We will cycle back to those ways some time in the near future I believe. At least at a higher percentage level anyways. There is a time and place for everything. We have made so many advances in technology, medicine etc. etc. I think it's time that we relax now for a bit and let it all sink in maybe. Just my two cents...

reply to post by Kali74


There are going to be a certain group of people that will always be subservient to government.

"Government knows best."
"Government makes the right decisions."
"Government can take that responsibility from me."

If that's what they want, then they can hide behind government when I call them cowards for not embracing personal responsibility.

There is no gap to bridge with people that WANT to be subservient.

olaru12
reply to post by beezzer

 

Good luck in the private sector! For some reason I feel you are going to need it!

It certainly isn't hugs and lavender soap...

edit on 19-11-2013 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)

lol

Thanks.

I'll keep that in mind.