Why we SHOULD demand military action on Syria

Originally posted by mikegrouchy

Originally posted by OneManArmy

Im [color=gold] in the UK, this is my house not your backyard. You are not speaking for me.
Im a free citizen(to a relative extent). I know this for sure.
I also know that the rest of the world that you call your "backyard" wont appreciate you deciding for them what they think.

/sarcasm

Yeah, because the British have
Nothing
to do with Syria.

They were not key in the formation of modern Syria
at the end of world war 2.

/end sarcasm


Syria is their child,
and just like the Royals of old
they have disowned the bastard
because it is inconvenient to be responsible.

As much as the British public
claims they dislike the Royals
and their behavior, they sure
are acting like them.

Apparently the only person
left in the British Common Wealth
that isn't acting like a Royal,
is PM Cameron.

Mike

And what has any of that got to do with what I disagreed with?

And last time I checked I dont have 20 butlers to wipe my arse and attend to my every whim at the cost of me and all the other taxpayers. So acting Royal? LMFAO.

You are acting BUSH, LMAO.

Originally posted by FlySolo

I get the feeling you haven't even looked at this crisis for the geopolitical strategies involved either. The players, the contracts, the $10 billion dollar gas pipelines, the bribes, the European gas, the secular wars, Putin and on and on and on...

And when I take the bait,
show my research and conclusions
on just those topics, either you'll morph
to another position or not reply like 90%
of the comments in this thread so far.

There is always another crisis isn't there.

I not _just_ saying that we demand action
I am say that we make this "CW attack"
our cause-du-jour, our mission in life.

But go ahead and say that the world is
too big, or there are too many problems.

Round and round we go,
where it stops nobody knows.

We must start somewhere.

If We The People get our hands on the
evidence, and find out that some of our
own employees were involved, then
justice be done though the heavens fall.


Mike

We should demand to know what Kerry and Assad were having for dinner:

Picture of the Assad's and Kerry's having dinner

My heart goes out to those and the loved ones of those who lost their lives or were injured in this attack designed to manipulate the emotions mostly of those in the West aka false flag, false flags are taking in fewer suckers than before but obviously there are still a few.

Originally posted by mikegrouchy

There is always another crisis isn't there.

I not _just_ saying that we demand action
I am say that we make this the CW attack
our cause-du-jour, our mission in life.

And the best place to start this ideological war is in YOUR REAL BACKYARD, HOME.
Your cause should be restoration of the constitution, not bombing people to death.
You need freedom at home before trying to impose it anywhere else.

reply to post by mikegrouchy


What?

All I'm saying is look at the bigger picture. So if you've done other research then you should know about the pipeline right?

Originally posted by Todzer

Originally posted by mikegrouchy

Originally posted by crazyewok
If you want to go over and meddle even more in middle easten affarirs than maybe you should go enlist and do the dirty work yourlself cause I dam well certainly wont!

I did.
I know exactly what I'm saying.

ATS really above top secret: I was there (first shots on Iran)

I am not some kind of armchair warrior.

Mike

What the hell does this prove? It is an account for a David. Grouchy not Mike and the person in that thread got ripped apart for lying, so you either have multiple accounts and are lying or just plain lying but I know one thing for sure you are full of it.

edit on 2/9/13 by Todzer because: (no reason given)

You weren't there,
neither were the two trolls at the end of that thread.


I was.




If eye witness testimony means nothing to the reader,
then they don't understand anything about law or
justice anyway. Think what you want. It's one of the
rights the law I fought for grants everyone here.


Mike

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
We should demand to know what Kerry and Assad were having for dinner:

Picture of the Assad's and Kerry's having dinner

My heart goes out to those and the loved ones of those who lost their lives or were injured in this attack designed to manipulate the emotions mostly of those in the West aka false flag, false flags are taking in fewer suckers than before but obviously there are still a few.

It's called diplomacy.









Or does the fact that some are attacking
the idea of "sitting down to talk" mean that
now they are in "favor of military action"?


Mike

Originally posted by OneManArmy

Originally posted by mikegrouchy

There is always another crisis isn't there.

I not _just_ saying that we demand action
I am say that we make this the CW attack
our cause-du-jour, our mission in life.

And the best place to start this ideological war is in YOUR REAL BACKYARD, HOME.
Your cause should be restoration of the constitution, [color=gold] not bombing people to death.
You need freedom at home before trying to impose it anywhere else.

That right there,
proves one has not been reading the thread
and has shown up lately to attack the thread title.


Mike

Originally posted by FlySolo
reply to post by mikegrouchy

 

What?

All I'm saying is look at the bigger picture. So if you've done other research then you should know about the pipeline right?

Lets not make this about me shall we.

The issue in this thread,

are the use of chemical weapons
the historical significance
can we come up with better solutions
or are we going to let TPTB play us against each other

Mike

Um ,Hey,what are the mission perameters Mike? Do you have a planned operation? Or are we just still lobbing munitions there? Cause that sure really works well and multiplies the problem.
Rangel is calling for a Draft you know of men and women.You may recall that recent hoohah about women in combat?

I too have been to the middle east ,but MY leader had a PLAN.Which resulted in an easy victory.

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Originally posted by mikegrouchy

The rest of the world is our Back Yard.

Then you'd really think it's time you'd learn to stop dumping in it.

Originally posted by cavtrooper7
Um ,Hey, [color=gold] what are the mission perameters Mike? Do you have a planned operation? Or are we just still lobbing munitions there? Cause that sure really works well and multiplies the problem.
Rangel is calling for a Draft you know of men and women.You may recall that recent hoohah about women in combat?

I too have been to the middle east ,but MY leader had a PLAN.Which resulted in an easy victory.

1)
I feel we are being played. TPTB have had long enough to factor in the Conspiracy Realists
into their equations, and they are counting on us being against this action.


2)
Out of all the lies and deceptions fed us over the past two generations, nothing compares
to the use of chemical weapons. If we act on this one issue, we will be in the right.


3)
One of the self justifying motives of elites is that they feel the public cannot be trusted with
serious decisions when it maters most. This is a serious decision and it maters a lot


4)
When every everyone "just knows", or everyone "feels the same" is when I get suspicious
that the subliminals are at work or that people are not actually thinking before they act.


5)
There maybe only 10% of the population of America that really knows how horrible the
leaders of many of those Middle Eastern country are, that the cries of "Hypocrisy" thrown
at America are laughably naïve, but I'm confident that it is enough.


6)
I don't trust the UN inspectors, I don't trust the FBI experts, and I feel that other groups
have been compromised. I demand that we send the Army, that they take samples
and that the samples be sent to a wide variety of labs. All done publicly and publish
results available openly.




. 7)
The era of Secret powers, Secret Intelligence, Secret Agencies,

and Secret documents must end. It is anathema to both America,

and to the American Way. If we shy away from this all the holders

of secret power will say to each other "see, they don't want to

know."





8)
All the skepticism, mistrust, and resistance has been our biggest asset, as Conspiracy
Realist, up till now. If we can't show the self awareness to change course over an issue
that is nothing like the other ones before it, we risk becoming a cliché.


This is my reasoning.
The mission parameters are an open question to the community.


I would like to say something about all the emotionality I have seen in other threads.
If I may.


Some have said "Saddam used chems, we didn't care then"
To that I say, shut up you weekend theorist. It is never too late to care, it is never
to late to start a thread, make a video, or even draw a picture showing how horrible
it was, how it shouldn't have happened, and how your are really really against it.
But no, your type always use something from somewhere else to attack people
dealing with things right here an now.


Some have said "The west are hypocrites"
Blow it out your ear. If a single one of those tyrannical leaders you are so fond of
defending had to put up with the media scrutiny and public derision we casually
heap on our leaders, their heads would explode. They look good because they
keep so many secrets, and no one knows where the bodies are buried.


I hope I have made my position a tad bit clearer.


Mike

reply to post by mikegrouchy

ah, come on now Mike, this thread is 15 pgs deep and clearly there isn't much in the way of coming up with better solutions, hence, it would appear that quite likely, we are going to let TPTB play us against each other.

diplomacy is never easy but one has to stand up before they can begin to see around the obstacle. Obama & Co appear to be stomping their feet and lashing out ... and that just isn't the same thing.

Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by mikegrouchy

The rest of the world is our Back Yard.

Then you'd really think it's time you'd learn to stop dumping in it.

edit on 2-9-2013 by khimbar because: (no reason given)

I am,
and it's starting right now,
with taking on the issue of CW's being used.

Not just for this day,
but the next, and the next,
and the one after that. This is THE issue.


Why is poo being flung at me?

Is someone against cleaning up the mess.


Mike

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by mikegrouchy

 

ah, come on now Mike, this thread is 15 pgs deep and clearly there isn't much in the way of coming up with better solutions, hence, it would appear that quite likely, we are going to let TPTB play us against each other.

diplomacy is never easy but one has to stand up before they can begin to see around the obstacle. Obama & Co appear to be stomping their feet and lashing out ... and that just isn't the same thing.

What is stopping us?

Is proving me wrong,
or characterizing me in humorous ways
so much more important that facing the facts

That Chemical Weapons have reaped casualties.
We The People are not in possession of any evidence
We damn well better wake up and start getting some.

Mike

Originally posted by mikegrouchy

This Country,

The United States of America

Is our house.


Central and South America are

our front Yard, Canada the attic.


The rest of the world is our Back Yard.





If the reader cannot see it that way,
they maybe this isn't their house,
maybe they are just a hireling,
visitor, or servant.

Only the reader can know for sure.

Mike

edit on 2-9-2013 by mikegrouchy because: (no reason given)

Not at all true. It's not our house or yard. We're just leasing the place. We've bed here awhile sure but even Rome was eventually evicted from their palace in the hill. We can't expect that we're going to be here as infinitum and can run across the world belter skelter with no consequences. Imperialism works for a short time but you always end up losing the house and kids at the end.