Faith Healer Convinces Followers To Never Vaccinate, Now Church The Center Of Measles Outbreak (VIDE

reply to post by Phage


As if a website ending in Gov ever posts the facts. *titters*

Finally found one!

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The title is:

Aluminum in the central nervous system (CNS): toxicity in humans and animals, vaccine adjuvants, and autoimmunity.

On that site, I also found links to:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Aluminum hydroxide injections lead to motor deficits and motor neuron degeneration.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Aluminum adjuvant linked to Gulf War illness induces motor neuron death in mice.

So now I go back to the CDC site and read that MOST of the aluminum is excreted and somehow they conclude that what is not excreted actually comes from food and water we consumed. How do they know whether the aluminum retained in the body comes from the vaccines or from natural comsumption? Searching, searching, searching ...

I don't want to rely soley on one site (CDC) for information but, at the moment I am following links on the CDC site. I hope I will find links to actual studies. I have found one link to a committee review that says there are studies. Problem is they don't list the studies they review to come to their conclusions.

reply to post by PtolemyII

I find most of these people blathering on about how we need to vaccinate all childrento the point of ridiculous, don'thave kids, or blatantly ignore the fact all their friends and relatives have had kids with either mental or physical issues, or problems with the birth.

I have a beautiful daughter who has been receiving regular vaccinations. She has no health or cognitive issues.

reply to post by research100


They do measles parties too. What's interesting is, when my mom took me to the Chickenpox party, iI didn't get it. This was the 70s.Apparently I have a natural immunity to chicken pox and related illnesses.
Yes, my blood was tested for this.
Stands to reason, there are others like me.

The only serious illness I had as a kid was scarlet fever, which is not common at all.

reply to post by Khaleesi


Uh, oh. According to this guy you can disregard those studies.

Originally posted by PtolemyII
reply to post by Phage

 

As if a website ending in Gov ever posts the facts. *titters*

One of those articles has been referred to in this thread. Interestingly, all of them are all by the same authors.

Senator Kennedy talks about the link to Mercury in vaccines and autism. The massive jump in 1989 in autism caused many to look at what happened then and it was the year they increased the number of vaccines. I know all about the "court" finding no link to autism and vaccines.

Anyone can tell you that money talks and BS walks

reply to post by Phage


That's funny, every friend or relative i have, who's had a great child in the last ten years, have all had a problem, big ones.

vaccination issues show up later, as learning disabilities, developmental issues .
My cousins daughter needed six surgeries. My best friend daughters colon telescopes into itself and she almost died.
None of this occurred while I was growing up.

So lots of luck . Keep pumping your kid full of poison. but this is what this is about.
Choice. It's your choice, not mine. If your kid is so healthy and safe, you shouldn'tcare if my kid is not vaccinated

CDC officials discuss neurological damage from vaccines in secret meeting – Simpsonwood

Selected vaccine authorities from CDC, FDA, and manufacturers discuss, in a closed meeting, the possibility of neurodevelopment disorders resulting from vaccine components.

Documents released through the Freedom of Information Act detail the transcript of a meeting held in June of 2000 between members of the CDC, the FDA, and representatives from the vaccine industry.

This top secret meeting was held to discuss a study done by Dr. Thomas Verstraeten and his co-workers using Vaccine Safety Datalink data as a project collaboration between the CDC's National Immunization Program (NIP) and four HMOs. The study examined the records of 110,000 children.

Dr. Johnston, pg. 14-15 & 19-20: (Chair of the meeting and a pediatrician-immunologist at the University of Colorado): Thimerosal is cleaved (in the body) into ethylmercury and thiosalicylate which is inactive The data on its toxicity (shows) it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death.

Aluminum and mercury are often simultaneously administered to infants, both at the same site and at different sites.

However, we also learned that there is absolutely no data, including animal data, about the potential for synergy, additively or antagonism, all of which can occur in binary metal mixtures that relate and allow us to draw any conclusions from the simultaneous exposure to these two salts in vaccines.

Dr. Weil, pg. 24: I think it's clear to me anyway that we are talking about a problem that is probably more related to bolus acute exposures, and we also need to know that the migration problems and some of the other developmental problems in the central nervous system go on for quite a period after birth. But from all of the other studies of toxic substances, the earlier you work with the central nervous system, the more likely you are to run into a sensitive period for one of these effects, so that moving from one month or one day of birth to six months of birth changes enormously the potential for toxicity. There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we've got a serious problem. The earlier we go, the more serious the problem.

The second point I could make is that in relationship to aluminum, being a nephrologist for a long time, the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn't some possible problem here is unreal.

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 40: we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay, which has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months of age, language and speech delays which are two separate ICD9 codes. Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of these plus a number of other disorders.

Dr. Weil, pg. 75: I think that what you are saying is in term of chronic exposure. I think that the alternative scenario is that this repeated acute exposures, and like many repeated acute exposures, if you consider a dose of 25 micrograms on one day, then you are above threshold. At least we think you are, and then you do that over and over to a series of neurons where the toxic effect may be the same set of neurons or the same set of neurologic processes; it is conceivable that the more mercury you get, the more effect you are going to get.

Dr. Egan, pg. 77: "Could you do this calculation for aluminum?"

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 77: "I did it for aluminum. Actually the results were almost identical to ethylmercury because the amount of aluminum goes along almost exactly with the mercury one." ...

Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: "We have asked you to keep this information confidential. We do have a plan for discussing these data at the upcoming meeting of the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices on June 21 and June 22.

At that time CDC plans to make a public release of this information*, so I think it would serve all of our interests best if we could continue to consider these data. The ACIP work group will be considering also. If we could consider these data in a certain protected environment. So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information. That would help all of us to use the machinery that we have in place for considering these data and for arriving at policy recommendations."

SOURCE

There you have it folks. They KNOW there are problems and yet they won't be honest publicly!

babies DON'T have a choice when someone older exposes them to something, how many have DIED... and pregnant women exposed to measles ,it , can cause heart problems later in child they were carrying.

so, you don't mind killing babies, just for the sake of choice????

More from Senator Kennedy based on the Simpsonwood secret meeting

Now I'm on the CDC's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) I've clicked through 4 pages so far with disclaimers and explanation of how to use the system and have yet to see any actual results. There seems to be no clear way to get the information. I have 5 windows open from clicking links. One has percentages but doesn't tell what they are percentages of. This all started when I clicked the link for reactions to Hepatitis vaccine. It seems the results to be found on VAERS are intentionally difficult to get to. I have researched different topics in the past for studies and results were usually put forth in an easy manner. I'm not sure why they can't just say "there were X number of reactions per Y number of people and then list the reactions and % of each type of reaction. I'm used to reading medical lingo and this is not conducive to giving actual information. It's just running in circles. Link to ... no information. I will keep searching but it looks like they don't want the information to be found.

reply to post by PtolemyII

It's your choice, not mine. If your kid is so healthy and safe, you shouldn'tcare if my kid is not vaccinated

You should be glad that most other kids are because it helps protect yours.

Is there any other issues with vaccines and behavior? This video was a bit odd

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

Odd, yes. Because it is a hoax.
metabunk.org...

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by PtolemyII

 

I find most of these people blathering on about how we need to vaccinate all childrento the point of ridiculous, don'thave kids, or blatantly ignore the fact all their friends and relatives have had kids with either mental or physical issues, or problems with the birth.

I have a beautiful daughter who has been receiving regular vaccinations. She has no health or cognitive issues.

edit on 8/25/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)

how ironic,

your...

FAITH

in vaccine science is such you've allowed total strangers to inject unknown substances directly into your child's bloodstream is no different from those the OP and you seek to belittle.

given your reputation, for the "facts" et.al. I'm sure you took out your microscope and gas chromatograph and thoroughly examined the vaccines beforehand

She has no health or cognitive issues.

why is this "proof" when others anecdotal evidence is not good enough?
especially considering the insufficient data provided?

but I'll take you at your word [you could be fibbing]
and assume your precious one still has her tonsils

In the 1970's, several million tonsillectomies were performed every year in America alone. These were purportedly done to prevent infections. They were almost always performed on children. Parents were assured that no lasting harm would be done to their children, and that children would eventually become healthier from it. These operations were portrayed as the only option when antibiotics showed limited effectiveness in subduing infections of tonsillitis. The allopathic medical establishment is finally admitting that the tonsils have an important role in human health.

The tonsils are composed of lymphoid tissues, which create white blood cells needed to fight infections. Therefore, they are a critical part of the immune system. The tonsils especially promote resistance to all infections that enter through the mouth or nose, before infections have an opportunity to go on to impact the entire body. This pathway, which the tonsils guard, is the most common route for infections to enter the body. Nevertheless, the allopathic medical establishment still performs 500,000 of these surgeries annually, despite a plethora of research proving that these surgeries are detrimental.

Removing parts of the body is something that we have come to expect from the orthodox medical establishment, because they are known for treating the symptoms of ailments, but never the causes. Removing two inflamed (i.e. overworked) tonsils is the equivalent of removing smoke detectors because they are making too much noise. Members of the orthodox establishment have actually proudly paraded this stupidity as cutting edge, modern medicine. It is as if the emperor has no clothes.

Most shocking is the fact that surgeons usually wait until children are healthy to cut out their tonsils. They incredibly call cutting up healthy children 'preventative medicine'.

A surgeon's knife has traditionally been used to cut out the tonsils, but electrocautery (a heated wire) has become an increasingly popular method. At one time, X-ray radiation treatments were used on children's tonsils to shrink (destroy) them via radiation poisoning. Then doctors realized that this process was greatly increasing their patients' chances of developing thyroid cancer, as if it had been unknown to them that cancers are caused by radiation. Since this treatment was directly causing cancers, it is no longer used for tonsillitis even though radiation is still actually used, incredibly, as a cancer treatment despite its known connection to causing cancer.

"Although at least 60% of children will be recommended to have a tonsillectomy, no more than 1 in 10,000 (0.01%) actually need the operation."

-- Dr. Robert S. Mendlesohn, M.D., 1984

Creating The Polio Epidemic

Scientists, and some of the braver doctors, now wonder if the Polio Epidemic was caused by the high number of tonsillectomies done in the 1920's through the 1940's. They discovered that the only organ in the body which synthesizes the antibody for Polio (Poliomyelitis) is the tonsils. Persons with removed tonsils have extreme difficulty resisting infections by the Polio Virus.

healthwyze.org...

but feel free to disregard my words, as I Am quite "Insane".

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
CDC officials discuss neurological damage from vaccines in secret meeting – Simpsonwood

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SOURCE

There you have it folks. They KNOW there are problems and yet they won't be honest publicly!

Debunked - just another bit of conspiracy dishonesty dreamed up to scare people.

Kennedy's version of what happened is that the experts conspired to hide the Verstraeten data. From the meeting transcript, he selected phrases that seemed to prove his point. Then Kennedy said that the CDC bribed the Institute of Medicine to whitewash the issue (the IOM's 2001 report found no convincing evidence linking thimerosal to autism; its 2004 report reached the same conclusion).

A close reading of the publicly available transcript leaves a far different impression than Kennedy's selective excerpts suggest. You can read it here.

Kennedy selectively quoted sections - he quote mined - taking them out of context.

so what was the meeting about? It was about the REMOVAL of mercury from vaccines - which was already underway, and, specifically, about what would be the effects on children who had had their vaccines before the mercury was removed.

IE it was pretty much exactly the opposite of the lie you have reproduced!!

congratulations on spreading the disinfo!!

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
I agree with @MysterX.

Sounds like a Measles Party...

People will do anything to take a shot at Christians and bash God.

Bogus thread.

the disease is REAL - a "measles party" will actually infect kids - it means DELIBERATELY giving children a dangerous disease in het HOPE that they won't get a bad case of it.

How is that in any way responsible or good parenting??

What sort of world do you live in when you think that deliberately giving kids disease is a good thing??

You may think my thread is "bogus" - I think your comment is evil and stupid.

Really? Simmer down now...

I never said I advocated the Measles Parties, now did I? I don't outright oppose them either, but I don't know much about them, and I've never been to one. Lack of knowledge and experience tells me not to pass judgment on that particular issue, even though you promptly assumed my stance on that issue (wrongly).

I don't agree with most vaccines either. Autism does NOT run in my family... but my little brother was given a vaccine from the military when he was little, and he was later diagnosed with severe (and obvious) Ausburgers Syndrome. Something never before found in our family.

That, along with a few stories I've read here on ATS, lead me to believe that vaccines are a little too muddled and risky for me to be comfortable taking.

Granted, a Measles Party sounds like a pretty ballsy way to attack the disease--but I wouldn't do that either. Simply do neither, and if you ever happen to catch the disease, treat yourself, mend yourself, then, once its gone, its gone for good.

Simple solution. No Measles Parties, no vaccines.

I've come across people like you before, like a lot of your buddies on this thread. People who've adopted the fad of bashing Christians. It annoys me.

You folks like to lump all believers with Christians, and all Christians with questionable sects like the Westboro Baptist Church--then if any believer dares to mention God in conversation, or tells you they're praying for you, you fly off the handle at them.

I don't like Christian haters.

Not because I'm a Christian myself (I'm an independent believer).

Because people like you like pointing the finger at a particular sect of people, then if anyone calls you on the bs, its evil and stupid.

I think THAT is evil and stupid. That ignorant, bias, contradicting mentality.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
I agree with @MysterX.

Sounds like a Measles Party...

People will do anything to take a shot at Christians and bash God.

Bogus thread.

the disease is REAL - a "measles party" will actually infect kids - it means DELIBERATELY giving children a dangerous disease in het HOPE that they won't get a bad case of it.

How is that in any way responsible or good parenting??

What sort of world do you live in when you think that deliberately giving kids disease is a good thing??

You may think my thread is "bogus" - I think your comment is evil and stupid.

yet damaging their immune systems is "good" and "intelligent"?

DELIBERATELY giving children a dangerous disease in het HOPE that they won't get a bad case of it

ROFL, isn't that the very purpose of vaccination?

WTF?
I do not think your hit piece*COUGH*thread is bogus it is instead

...evil and stupid.

such venom...:shk:

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX

Bogus thread.

the disease is REAL - a "measles party" will actually infect kids - it means DELIBERATELY giving children a dangerous disease in het HOPE that they won't get a bad case of it.

How is that in any way responsible or good parenting??

What sort of world do you live in when you think that deliberately giving kids disease is a good thing??

You may think my thread is "bogus" - I think your comment is evil and stupid.

Really? Simmer down now...

No thanks - I'm fine.

I never said I advocated the Measles Parties, now did I? I don't outright oppose them either, but I don't know much about them, and I've never been to one.

It is how I got measles when I was young - my parents sent me around to a sick friend's place.

I don't agree with most vaccines either. Autism does NOT run in my family... but my little brother was given a vaccine from the military when he was little, and he was later diagnosed with severe (and obvious) Ausburgers Syndrome. Something never before found in our family.

That, along with a few stories I've read here on ATS, lead me to believe that vaccines are a little too muddled and risky for me to be comfortable taking.

the only muddled thinking here is yours.

FYI I have an autistic son and an aspergers dad - dad was born decades before the MMR vaccine!

Granted, a Measles Party sounds like a pretty ballsy way to attack the disease--but I wouldn't do that either. Simply do neither, and if you ever happen to catch the disease, treat yourself, mend yourself, then, once its gone, its gone for good.

doing nothing is also stupid when you could vaccinate yourself and avoid the real risk of brain damage or death.

Measles I not a common cold - it kills people and causes brain damage - in the USA pre-vaccines there used to be hundreds of deaths per annum and thousands of cases of encephalitis

Simple solution. No Measles Parties, no vaccines.

just more work for undertakers and need for "special care" schools for brain damaged kids!

You really are a piece of work - the motto here is "DENY ignorance" - not celebrate it!!

I've come across people like you before, like a lot of your buddies on this thread. People who've adopted the fad of bashing Christians. It annoys me.

You folks like to lump all believers with Christians, and all Christians with questionable sects like the Westboro Baptist Church--then if any believer dares to mention God in conversation, or tells you they're praying for you, you fly off the handle at them.

I fly of the handle at ignorance - the fact that fundamentalist nut-job Christians happen to be one of eth major reasons why the US is regressing back to the dark ages is their fault, not mine.

There are plenty of Christians who are not as stupid as this lot - as I said in eth OP - so congratulations on not only being wrong, but also being hypocritical and slamming me for condemning Christians when I did no such thing.

I don't like Christian haters.

Not because I'm a Christian myself (I'm an independent believer).

Because people like you like pointing the finger at a particular sect of people, then if anyone calls you on the bs, its evil and stupid.

I think THAT is evil and stupid. That ignorant, bias, contradicting mentality.

Hey pot - the kettle is calling!