Evolution backed up by Hoaxes and Desperate Lies

the entire evolution vs creationism debate can be solved quite easily: prophecy.

the time prophecies of the bible found mainly in the book of daniel...the 2300 day prophecy and the sub-parts of it like the 1260 day prophecy etc....all of these show without a doubt that the bible is the inspired word of God...and that God has his hand in the direction of human history.

people can debate about the interpretations of the older prophecies that have already come to pass...they can say we make the prophecies fit events in history.....if that is their desire....however...what no one can do is discount what the bible has to say about the FUTURE of mankind...which will certainly and soon come to pass....the prophecies of Revelation which lay out some very specific events which we may already now be seeing.....for example the prophecy about the angel pouring his vial on the sun and it being given to power to scorch men with fire....this has not come to pass yet....but it will....and when it does no matter what prosaic or scientifically explainable reason for it....it WILL be the fulfillment of bible prophecy and proof of Gods involvement in human history.

another very important prophecy talks about the beast power causing all the people of the earth to recieve the mark of the beast in the forehead or in the hand. This has also not yet come to pass...and when it does...it will be further proof that the bible is an accurate record of human history and future. Let everyone be put on notice.....there is a God in the universe that is above all.....

reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum


I didn't mean that you are saying i am crazy .. i really did not. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

In truth, many people do think when you trust, with all passion in The Creator, that you are not a full box of cereal

I have been deep down in the abyss, an empty soul looking for answers to satisfy my thirst for knowledge, and i know the answer lies within Spirit, not flesh. We all seek the truth, which we will never comprehend while in body (it is too much for us too handle). We are but mere flesh trusting on in our knowledge. Look where our knowledge has brought us today. Wars, hunger, drought, quakes etc etc.

Who do we blame? We blame God. We don't admit, but it is because of our "great knowledge" we are where we are these days. Blindness & deafness. Even though we have been given The Way out, we still choose to stick to our knowledge in flesh, 'cos we believe we in flesh have the power & authority over all that is, and we have the answers and solutions to our problems. There is only one laughing at us, and it ain't our Creator.

Originally posted by JameSimon

Originally posted by swanne

Originally posted by JameSimon
We are all connected but we are all different.

Exactly! I am agreeing with you.

What I try to point out, is that because we have, as you call it, Exclusive genes, we thus can't technically be called "Apes". The classification of "Man" should thus be "excluded" from the classification of "Apes". This much should be apparent with modern genetic testing.

If we share 97.5 % of our gene with rats, And apes share 98.5 % of our genes, then I must conclude that apes share about 99 % of their genes with rats (feel free to review this, I'm not so good with maths). My point is, if apes, which thus share 99 % of their genes with rats, are not classified as rats, then why are humans, which share only 98.% % of their genes with apes, classified as apes?

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Because animal classification is not related to genotype but to phenotype (the physical representation of our genes). Even if we share 97% of our genes with a rat, their relative position on the genotype changes what they configure and to what extent. We are classified by likeness and general characteristics. This is why we belong to the great apes group, because we are very similar.

The real answer is that he's just inventing numbers.

Anyway, I downloaded human, chimp, and rat mitochondrial genomes from NCBI, aligned the sequences with muscle, and build a phylogenetic tree with FastTree. Below is an unrooted tree. Take a guess what species the lonely leaf represents (hint: it's not human or chimp).


Some other stats: without any arrangements, top hits:

blastn -query human mt -subject chimp mt
Identities = 14634/16005 (91%)

blastn -query human mt -subject rat mt
Identities = 5913/7823 (76%)

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
..full on assault through the new age movement and science to undermine Christianity via fantastic tales and hoaxes ..

I'm sorry did someone who believes that a single creator "god", told in a story copied in various ways through a couple thousand years that just magically makes the universe happen call Science "fantastical tales and hoaxes"?

Hi Pot, it's me, Kettle. We haven't talked in a while...

That agnosticism and atheism continue to gain numbers is simple: People are realizing that Christianity, God, and the idea that the Earth is somehow only a few thousand years old are illogical and just part of an ongoing falsehood that has perpetuated from a time when people just didn't know any better.

Evolution? We can see examples of micro and macro evolution on the planet just about anywhere we've looked. What we can't find is any evidence that the world was created in a few days, or that man spawned from two people who were instantly homosapiens, that somehow would go onto start the ball rolling on a population of over six billion without massive inbreeding issues.

How's finding that Ark going?

I do think atheism is a bad stance to take, since really we should be open the possibility of a creator, but there's no credible evidence to support creationism.

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there are loads of prophecies in the bible that simply did not happen, if you are to follow the prophecies then the entire new testament should be chucked in the bin.

Not the smartest person and I do not have an a master degree or anything but I cannot stand the madness of evolution being blindly followed.So much crap with this subject and brainwashing and hoaxes and control over it with education and power that never is exposed by mainstream and honest science.
Some people won't even teach evolution as a theory anymore that is how dishonest and ridiculous it has become.

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The dishonesty and brainwashing is not coming from the side of those who believe evolution, who does that leave i wonder.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by OpenEars123
Ummm why are we taller now than we were a mere 160 years ago???

I don't remember reading in the bible God saying "though shall create man and make him taller"

Just a thought...

There is this fact of people having better nutrition.......that has nothing to do with evolution. Good grief, is that the best example we can hear?

It was just a question as I did not have time to Google.

As it happens I just did a very quick search, and every link said evolution.

Good grief, how could this be???

We 'all' know the bearded sky fairy clicked his fingers and created us all...

People claim there is no evidence of God or a Creator..How in the world is life itself and the entire universe not evidence when God is about faith to begin with.The whole universe and every single thing that exist has to be the evidence of God or a Creator.Does not mean you can go talk to God in human form and some big guy up in the sky.The people who lived during biblical days that believes in God did so because of having faith.The people who saw Jesus do miracles or raise from the dead also believed by faith.

Originally posted by robin22391
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The dishonesty and brainwashing is not coming from the side of those who believe evolution, who does that leave i wonder.

Both sides can be dishonest and lie.Is that even possible for you people to understand in this world.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

Nice way to take the subject way from fraud and hoaxes in evolution to say something about Christianity. Why not stick to the thread's subject. Everytime I post a topic you all don't like you create straw men, change the topic and derail my thread. Last time it was over 16 pages of non topic arguments.

You have proven that evolution, as a theory, is flawed. What you have not proven, however, is how your god theory is more credible than evolution theory. Before you start pointing fingers - again - you might want to get on that. That's your point, right? Evolution is garbage, so God must be the ultimate solution to all of our questions. You've barely begun to prove the first point, let alone the second. Don't count your chickens until you've hatched them all.

Originally posted by Jobeycool
Not the smartest person and I do not have an a master degree or anything but I cannot stand the madness of evolution being blindly followed.So much crap with this subject and brainwashing and hoaxes and control over it with education and power that never is exposed by mainstream and honest science.
Some people won't even teach evolution as a theory anymore that is how dishonest and ridiculous it has become.

It's funny that usually it's religion that uses brainwashing techniques on his followers.

Please delete

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you seem rather sure of yourself robin, care to mention specifically a few of those 'loads' of prophecies that didnt come to pass? I can give you chapter and verse of many that did, including those found in Daniel 2, 7 and 9.

also...you seem to have no problem making a very broad and bold statement that no dishonesty has come from those who believe in evolution...when the OP gave some very concrete examples of not only individuals who perpetrated such dishonesty...but how nearly the entire scientific world followed after it with zeal until it was later shown to be false.

if you cant bother yourself with giving some examples and shoring up your statements with some evidence youll soon find yourself on many peoples ignore list....no sense reading comments that consist only of pure speculation and opinion and dont contribute anything of value other than a disagreement.

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
There is a war going on and many understand different aspects of it, but when examined in total the only logical explanation is that there is an absolute full on assault through the new age movement and science to undermine Christianity via fantastic tales and hoaxes which they seek to hide via their compliant media whores. When an anthropological hoax is revealed it becomes news for a week and then it’s forgotten. Later, that same idea is still taught to children in schools to support the theory of evolution. The natural outcome of that theory is to create disbelief in young children.

Rules are not fun. Many children will do anything to test the boundaries of their parents rules. It’s actually a safety mechanism because if the boundary is real then the child can trust their parent. If the parent does not enforce a rule then the child cannot trust the parent. Now, if education can come along and sow seeds of disbelief in a most logical way, then the child can learn to distrust their parents judgment and if their parent is a Christian then it’s easier to dismiss this idea of God and the gift of salvation in Jesus. Once you get rid of that notion then situational ethics is perfectly logical and there is no right or wrong. After generations of this we have the outcome of lying politicians and a country in ruins. This was the plan all along of the Marxist communists in their plan to destroy America from within through demoralization, destabilization, crisis and then normalization as explained by the Russian KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov when he explained the true purpose of their system. These globalists do have a plan for the world. We are seeing the final pieces falling into place today. Once the crisis hits the effects of demoralization and destabilization will be realized when the totalitarian control of the world takes place. Anyone who will not comply will be seen as a traitor to humanity. These individuals will be seen as the enemy to mankind, peace, and utopia. The logical step is to remove these people and they will believe they are doing good ultimately.

The problem with evolution is that it is used to teach how life began when that was not even Darwin’s starting point. Darwin’s theory begins after life is here and tries to show that we all come from a common ancestor. My recent blog post about Intelligent Design shows the myriad of problems with Darwin’s ideas when one understands just what is necessary for cellular function. I believe, that had Darwin known this information, he would never have presented his theory because of the fact that for life to begin by chance in some chemical soup would be a one in a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion chance! It just could not happen by chance alone. Amazingly, one of the chief proponents of evolution, Dawkins author of “God Delusion”, actually gives credence to aliens seeding life on earth!

Anything but God. What are these hoaxes that have been used to prop up this idea of evolution?

“PILTDOWN MAN”

“Piltdown Man” was presented to the world as the missing link proving evolution. But, what do we now know about the “Piltdown Man”?

A fossil human skull found near Piltdown, England, in 1912. It was taken from a gravel pit cut into an ancient alluvial fan. The deposit itself probably dates from the third glaciation but contains much older materials washed in from higher levels. The skull while exceedingly thick and showing some primitive characteristics is essentially that of modern man (ibid., volume 15, p. 782).

Dr. Don Boys clarified information on the Piltdown Man and it’s discover:

The evolutionists, flushed and excited, pointed to their “missing link” for more than 40 years [from 1912 until 1953], and boasted about it in all the textbooks as being “proof of evolution.” In fact more than 500 doctoral dissertations were written on Piltdown Man, seeking to establish him as one of the most impressive “finds” in the history of science…[But] in 1953, three honest scientists found that the modern ape’s jaw and human skull had been “doctored” to resemble an ape man, and the fake [had] fooled the world’s greatest experts! The persons responsible for the hoax (fraud) some allege, were [Charles] Dawson [himself - the man who "found" the fossil] and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin who had written several books trying to harmonize evolution and [Catholicism] (Don Boys, Ph.D., Evolution: Fact, Fraud or Faith, Largo, Florida: Freedom Publications, 1994, pp. 259-260).

Completely fabricated fraud showing the willingness of evolutionists to swollow anything that seems to support their pet theory.

Cont.

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Excellent thread UnifiedSerenity!!!!



Evolution is indeed a HOAX!

Whilst evolution is not proven 100% it's still the only explanation which actually HAS empirical proof.
Have a proper look around and you will see just how much there is in its favour.

Creation, other than words created by man has no empirical proof whatsoever. Zero, zilch, nada.
The alien hypothesis is simply that, an hypothesis.

There also seems to be this thing in creationists heads that if evolution can be proven to be false then by default, creation must be true.
Erm sorry, doesn't quite work like that.
You can't use disproof as proof.

Now, where's my eohippus skeleton again.....?

reply to post by Jobeycool


Humans are humans...sometimes they lie and cheat and steal, this is always going to be there and it is what has been suggested as being part of the evolutionists claim. Of course this happens, it is an ever present human attribute that will be there in small amounts no matter the group, it is in very low amounts in the field of evolutionary research.

However, some ideologies have a far larger presence of lying cheating brainwashing...this is clearly ideologies such as creationism and religion in general...

theres a lot of money in religion these days and combining that with religious zealotry makes for a real bad mix. When money is a huge deal in science you get corruption sometimes such as in pharmaceuticals, even with all the checks...imagine the corruption in the religious field when they have absolutely no checks apart from seeking those money cheques.

Originally posted by instigatah
you seem rather sure of yourself robin, care to mention specifically a few of those 'loads' of prophecies that didnt come to pass?

In the Bible Jesus claims on quite a few occasions that the world would end/kingdom of God would come still within the life time of the people who were listening. Have a look for example here..

Originally posted by rhinoceros

Originally posted by instigatah
you seem rather sure of yourself robin, care to mention specifically a few of those 'loads' of prophecies that didnt come to pass?

In the Bible Jesus claims on quite a few occasions that the world would end/kingdom of God would come still within the life time of the people who were listening. Have a look for example here..

rhinoceros - OP said to stick to the topic. Don't derail it unless of course you can't refute his facts.

Originally posted by rhinoceros

Originally posted by instigatah
you seem rather sure of yourself robin, care to mention specifically a few of those 'loads' of prophecies that didnt come to pass?

In the Bible Jesus claims on quite a few occasions that the world would end/kingdom of God would come still within the life time of the people who were listening. Have a look for example here..

well people shouldn't be reading the bible literally anyway .. smh its all allegory stories