Zimmerman / Trayvon: Yeah, I'm sick of it too, but one Video you HAVE to see...

I knew he hit him with the plastic-can-inabag,,,i knew it,, unless he was the type too fight fair,,,ya gotta watch that soap on a rope too,,

now what was on the button,, that had too be locked in a safe,, and the key,, lost,,,ya,,2 locksmiths,,,really,,in a sealed court vault?? and they lost the key??? wow.
some button.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


See my reply to Flyer's Fan's post.

The only real "evidence" that Martin was on top of Zimmerman came from "witnesses" who did not see it or see it clearly. Other witnesses said they thought it was Zimmerman on top.

Just as some people thought it was Trayvon screaming for help and others thought George.

My bet is that Martin was not on top of Zimmerman at all.

It's amazing to me how far people will go to justify murder.

The law says the defendant has to be guilty "beyond a REASONABLE doubt." Expecting the prosecution to provide proof of what was going on in Zimmerman's mind is not reasonable. Unless the defendant actually admits it to someone who is willing to get up and testify about it there is no way to know that for sure. My guess is that Zimmerman isn't dumb enough to do that.

I certainly do not believe that "George's heart was in the right place" as one juror said. With such bias no wonder Zimmerman got away with it. He probably took her out to dinner afterward.

reply to post by jibajaba


lol no worries

reply to post by AntiNWO


i just have to..

f you've ever been in a fight in your life, you know that if you're on the bottom, you're as good as dead if the guy on top wants to kill you. You have only one option: to get up off the ground, and to do that you MUST lift your head

False...you thrust your hips upward then to the left or right once you catch the momentum

Martin's barrage of punches caused Zimmerman's head to hit the ground repeatedly when he was raising it to try to get up, and the blood proves that his head hit the ground repeatedly, whether you care to admit it to yourself or not.

If this is true then Zimmerman couldn't have grabbed his gun...we have reenacted this in my BJJ class..(my instructor hates Zimmermans guts) and if your getting pounded from the top as Zimmerman claims, he could not reach the gun. His hand would have to be up to protect his face or else he would have been knocked out or have had black eyes and bruises all over, lost teeth...all that..even guarding while someone full mounts you is difficult so if Zimmerman was able to with stand the beating and reach for his gun the i question his MMA instructor that said he wasn't allowed to even shadow box.

i dont think you have been in a real fight or successful in one at least

reply to post by Sestias


WRONG. We know for a FACT that Trayvon was on top. The prosecution didn't even deny that, they had him on top in their scenarios too. He was without a doubt on top. there is no arguing it. If you disagree you are just wrong.


We KNOW it was Martin on top because doctors and scientists explained that the wound and circumstances of the injury showed that Martin was on top of Zimmerman at the time of the shooting.
It was 1 very biased witness that said she thought it could be Zimmerman on top. The witness that said it was Martin was certain of it. And Trayvon Martin's dad flat out admitted it wasn't his son (and only changed his mind when there was a shot at money) while Zimmerman's family and friends knew it was him. If you listen to both TM and GZ voices it's obviously GZ and the odds of TM screaming while beating someone are low.



Zimmerman's heart was in the right place. He seems to be a good person. We are talking about a guy who fought the Sanford police dept (a Dept he wanted to join) for beating a black homeless man. He even went after the Chief's pension (how is that for balls?). He caught a burgler, and allowed a woman who was shaken up from an attempted burglar/rapist to come with her child and stay with him and his wife for the night.

Originally posted by Baddguy
reply to post by AntiNWO

 

i just have to..

f you've ever been in a fight in your life, you know that if you're on the bottom, you're as good as dead if the guy on top wants to kill you. You have only one option: to get up off the ground, and to do that you MUST lift your head

False...you thrust your hips upward then to the left or right once you catch the momentum

Martin's barrage of punches caused Zimmerman's head to hit the ground repeatedly when he was raising it to try to get up, and the blood proves that his head hit the ground repeatedly, whether you care to admit it to yourself or not.

If this is true then Zimmerman couldn't have grabbed his gun...we have reenacted this in my BJJ class..(my instructor hates Zimmermans guts) and if your getting pounded from the top as Zimmerman claims, he could not reach the gun. His hand would have to be up to protect his face or else he would have been knocked out or have had black eyes and bruises all over, lost teeth...all that..even guarding while someone full mounts you is difficult so if Zimmerman was able to with stand the beating and reach for his gun the i question his MMA instructor that said he wasn't allowed to even shadow box.

i dont think you have been in a real fight or successful in one at least

seriously,,its getting like,,,well BRUCE LEE,, would have said,,be like the snake,,sooooooo,,,slither away,,,stupid,,slap,,,,

reply to post by Baddguy


LOL.. you trust your instructor to tell you the truth despite knowing he hates Zimmerman's guts? Zimmerman could have easily gotten his gun and if you did a correct reenactment you would understand why. When you change position from straddling the person pounding them, to a position to slam their head down you have to lift one leg (putting one foot on the ground bended at the knee) to get the leverage. That would leave the space necessary. Try it, do what is comfortable and feels normal.

Also.. even if he didn't lift one leg (which is doubtful) Zimmerman could have put one arm across the face and went for his gun through the pain and punches and fired a shot and was close enough to not miss. However, at first he thought he had missed which explains that Martin was punching and Zimmerman couldn't really see what he was doing.

reply to post by BobAthome


You're another one who I'd bet has never been in a fight. I bet you've shot at a lot of cardboard cut-outs, tho', and won every time.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

Try it, do what is comfortable and feels normal.

i have you can use two, one or none (i cant do it with none)...the thrust still comes from the hip

Zimmerman could have put one arm across the face and went for his gun through the pain and punches

that's the thing! HE couldn't have according to his instructor.

In fighting, even when fulling guarding, punches can and will "rock" you. Many pro fighters cant even keep their focus after receiving more than 4 punches. If you watch UFC or any other fighting , the ref will stop the fight if your taking too many unanswered hits.

Even with one arm guarding, when someone fully mounts you and throws punches bare fist it would show

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by BobAthome

 

You're another one who I'd bet has never been in a fight. I bet you've shot at a lot of cardboard cut-outs, tho', and won every time.

yaa right,,catholic vs prodistant,,then highschool vs highschool,, then,, ya right,, never much one for boots,, or knives,,but once guns, started, well,, as Smith and Wesson said,, God didn't make man equal,,we did.

Istill agree.

"won every time. " well at least i hope my side did. no boots once down. that the rule,,

reply to post by BobAthome


So, basically, you've not had a fist fight since high school? I don't know how old you are, but my 51 yr old self would destroy my 17 to 20 yr old self every time, if we ever came up against each other.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by BobAthome

 

So, basically, you've not had a fist fight since high school? I don't know how old you are, but my 51 yr old self would destroy my 17 to 20 yr old self every time, if we ever came up against each other.

wrong agin,,,im 58,,was sucker punched by family at a Darts Club,,,ahh family what i gonna do,, would break his Moms heart,, so u stand there,,after, u shake it off, and u know protect ur chin, this time,, and ,,smile

Originally posted by BobAthome

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by BobAthome

 

So, basically, you've not had a fist fight since high school? I don't know how old you are, but my 51 yr old self would destroy my 17 to 20 yr old self every time, if we ever came up against each other.

wrong agin,,,im 58,,was sucker punched by family at a Darts Club,,,ahh family what i gonna do,, would break his Moms heart,, so u stand there,,after, u shake it off, and u know protect ur chin, this time,, and ,,smile

That's not exactly a fight, is it? I'm talking about incidents where someone would have caused you serious physical harm if you hadn't fought back to the best of your capabilities. I'll give you props for withstanding a sucker punch and putting it down to experience, tho. I've taken one myself in the past year, and you feel like a boss when someone has tried to put you on your ass and you are still stood there waiting to see if they want to continue.

reply to post by Baddguy

You are still misunderstanding the circumstances.

He wasn't being punched at the time he shot. Trayvon was grabbing him trying to lift and slam him down. Even if that weren't the case and he was still being punched, people can do impressive things to save their lives or the lives of others.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by BobAthome

 

So, basically, you've not had a fist fight since high school? I don't know how old you are, but my 51 yr old self would destroy my 17 to 20 yr old self every time, if we ever came up against each other.

What does that mean? You were much weaker as a teen? Most teens have the strenght and speed over a 51 year old. Especially teens with weight and football training who fight regularly.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by BobAthome

 

So, basically, you've not had a fist fight since high school? I don't know how old you are, but my 51 yr old self would destroy my 17 to 20 yr old self every time, if we ever came up against each other.

You are either the most egotistical person here on ATS, or your former self was weak.

Man I wish. I am a few months short of 40. Today I did a 12 mile bike ride and I hurt. I joined the Army at 17 and was in shape. I weigh 10 pounds more than I did then but it isn't muscle like then. I wish I had the strength I did then. Hell back then I was doing 12 K road marches with 20 to 30 pound rucks I wouldn't even try it now.

I guess I was just a real strong teenager.

Originally posted by EPH612
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Originally posted by IvanAstikov

You seem to be unaware of the photo taken by the neighbour who went out to the scene before the first cop arrived.
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Would you mind posting that picture somewhere on here? For me personally, this is the first I've heard of any supposed picture taken by a neighbor before the police arrived. And I'm a little bit surprised that I've not heard of this picture before, what with the anti-GZ viewpoint that the media and some other ATS members have. I'd really like to take a look at it, maybe it'll convince me to revise some of my opinions on the case.

The picture shows his head with blood all over the back. I don't know when it was taken, though, because the police were there literally short moments after the shot. In any case, it's clear that he was assaulted. There was plenty of blood to support self defense. The person that took it witnessed Martin on top, too.

Considering all the evidence, and all the reports, it's pretty clear this teen assaulted Zimmerman, and was shot as a result. Tragic, but his own decision.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes


Ah. Yeah, I've seen that picture, though I was under the impression that it was taken by the police? But, maybe not, I don't know. What threw me off was the description of it, because I wouldn't think anyone is daft enough to describe it as having only "a couple of blood trails" that didn't show signs that he had been in a struggle. Apparently, some people can.

Originally posted by D_Mason
Zimmerman's facial and head injuries don't add up to getting his ass whooped in my opinion. Looks like some self inflicted stuff.

Yeah, agreed - like five seconds of genuine "ground and pound" would make a much bigger mess of him than that. And maybe even left some DNA on his attacker.