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I agree with you about the new age, but your idea of the 'one eyed god' being a television or computer screen is hilarious.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by colbe
"Nope?" Smiling, no he didn't, Adjensen clearly showed your error in trying to sell Reincarnation. And people can read the beliefs of the first Christians. I posted one, Irenaeus' words and there are others, plural. You go against Christ's teachings not them. Do I have to find the correction of Origen by the Church? It may of been posted already.
Nope. all those Catholic apologetics sites and people claiming that Origen didn't teach reincarnation either forgot to burn or missed Jerome's letter while they were carefully trying to rewrite and revise their own history.
Jerome states that Origen not only taught pre-existence, but reincarnation too. I don't know why the church refuses to acknowledge that truth.
Here's more on when and why the Catholic church changed it's mind on reincarnation and Origen's writings.
All you said doesn't matter. Origin was corrected, he was wrong. He is not the Pope
Fifth Ecumenical Council: Constantinople II, 553
In accordance with the imperial command, but without the assent of the Pope, the synod was opened on the 5th of May A.D. 553,
Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by ElohimJD
Elo,
I didn't read all your comments but I noticed one sentence at the beginning of your post that is not true.
"Jesus Christ also was created at His conception, He did not eternally exist as His father does."
Jesus Christ is truly God, the Second Person of the Trinity, the Son, the Eternal Word, who with the Father and the Holy Spirit always was, is, and always will be.
God bless you,
colbe
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by colbe
All you said doesn't matter. Origin was corrected, he was wrong. He is not the Pope
The pope was not present when Origin was corrected...
Fifth Ecumenical Council: Constantinople II, 553
In accordance with the imperial command, but without the assent of the Pope, the synod was opened on the 5th of May A.D. 553,
The faith DOES NOT teach Reincarnation. Go read the Catechism. We are born once, then we die and we go to our particular judgment.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by colbe
The faith DOES NOT teach Reincarnation. Go read the Catechism. We are born once, then we die and we go to our particular judgment.
And then, we are reincarnated, again.
Originally posted by BornOfSin
You cannot blame a young soul, for not realising that there is reincarnation.
All those of old souls have experienced this world many, many times over thousands and thousands of years.
The young souls are ignorant to such truths. They only know what they are 'told' through book teachings, not what they have experienced.
Hence it is like trying to teach a toddler physics.
My favourite analogy is; "Why would you ever need explain to someone who is mentally handicapped, that they are mentally handicapped? Even if you succeed, it will make them no less impaired."
No fruit shall you see bared, from arguing with a young soul that does not understand a Universal existence. It is like arguing with an bank machine, over a bank error. They are just a machine of the system.
The truth of religion shall soon be known to the world.
Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by ElohimJD
Elo,
I didn't read all your comments but I noticed one sentence at the beginning of your post that is not true.
"Jesus Christ also was created at His conception, He did not eternally exist as His father does."
Jesus Christ is truly God, the Second Person of the Trinity, the Son, the Eternal Word, who with the Father and the Holy Spirit always was, is, and always will be.
God bless you,
colbe
Originally posted by windword
I'm done arguing with you, it's like talking to a brick wall or trying to have a conversation with a video on a loop.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by colbe
Colbe, I'm not Catholic and I don't care what the church says today about reincarnation. They have lied and continue to lie and cover up the truth.
Did you watch the video I posted about how and when the church banned the concept of reincarnation? Did you read the letter I linked in which St Jerome condemns Origen for teaching reincarnation? You're wrong, he did teach reincarnation, Many early Christians believed in reincarnation.
I'm done arguing with you, it's like talking to a brick wall or trying to have a conversation with a video on a loop.
During the period from A.D. 250 to 553 controversy raged, at least intermittently, around the name of Origen, and from this controversy emerged the major objections that orthodox Christianity raises against reincarnation. Origen of Alexandria, one of Christianity's greatest systematic theologians, was a believer in reincarnation.
Origen was a person devoted to scriptural authority, a scourge to the enemies of the church, and a martyr for the faith. He was the spiritual teacher of a large and grateful posterity and yet his teachings were declared heresy in 553. The debates and controversies that flared up around his teachings are in fact the record of reincarnation in the church.
From about 395 to 403 Origen became the subject of heated debate throughout Christendom. These three ecclesiats applied much energy and thought in search of questionable doctrine in Origen. Again the controversy flared up around 535, and in the wake of this the Emperor Justinian composed a tract against Origen in 543, proposing nine anathemas against "On First Principles", Origen's chief theological work. Origen was finally officially condemned in the Second Council of Constantinople in 553, when fifteen anathemas were charged against him.
Did my infancy succeed another age of mine that dies before it? Was it that which I spent within my mother's womb? . . . And what before that life again, O God of my joy, was I anywhere or in any body?
Confessions of St. Augustine, Edward Pusey, translator, Book I.
A number of Christian Church Fathers believed in and wrote about reincarnation:
St. Justin Martyr (100–165 A.D.) expressly stated that the soul inhabits more than one human body.
Origen (185–254 A.D.), who was considered by St. Jerome as “the greatest teacher of the Church after the Apostles,” defended the idea that the soul exists before the body, fundamental to the concept of reincarnation.
Another Church Father, St. Gregory, Bishop of Nyssa (257–332 A.D.), wrote: “It is absolutely necessary that the soul should be healed and purified, and if this does not take place during its life on earth it must be accomplished in future lives. . . . The soul . . . is immaterial and invisible in nature, it at one time puts off one body . . . and exchanges it for a second.”
St. Gregory also wrote: “Every soul comes into this world strengthened by the victories or weakened by the defeats of its previous life.”
St. Augustine (354–430 A.D.), one of the greatest theologians of the Christian church, speculated that philosopher Plotinus was the reincarnation of Plato. St. Augustine wrote: “The message of Plato . . . now shines forth mainly in Plotinus, a Platonist so like his master that one would think . . . that Plato is born again in Plotinus.”
Other Church Fathers who demonstrated a belief in reincarnation included Synesius (the Bishop of Ptolemais), St. Ambrose, Pope Gregory I, Jerome, St. Athanasius, St. Basil, St. John Chrysostom, St. Gregory of Nazianzus, and Clement of Alexandria. (7)
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