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Originally posted by colbe
What about "false memory?" A dear friend, her brother accused his father of things not true. And not
until years later did the brother understand it was all "false memory." The family went through hell.
The "past lives" business sounds the same. Just wondering since I never experienced memory of a past life.
Originally posted by windword
Originally posted by colbe
What about "false memory?" A dear friend, her brother accused his father of things not true. And not
until years later did the brother understand it was all "false memory." The family went through hell.
The "past lives" business sounds the same. Just wondering since I never experienced memory of a past life.
My older sister remembered my father doing things to her, and confronted him about when she was in her 40's. My father was a heavy drinker at the time and my mother was always in denial. My sister's revelation took my family through hell and she recanted. But we knew it was true, he did it to me too, along with my uncle and my babysitter's husband.
Sometimes people recant the truth, because the truth can just be too painful for some people to bear.
As too past life memories, I've had many. They are as real as any other memories that I have, sometimes even more so. My memories are always revealed according to something that is pertinent in my present situation, and always extremely enlightening and helpful.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by Brigidshine
PS: Welcome to ATS Newbie!edit on 9-7-2013 by windword because: (no reason given)
I am so sorry if it is true about your sister's memory. What if hers was "false memory?" Pray for the soul of your father. My Dad drank a lot too. Job pressures, he was a social drinker not abusive. Still painful though... Share one your past life memories. Are they repeating dreams for each particular life? Sounds wild, I wonder which life is judged for eternity? And how about free will choices, they mean nothing, you have to keep returning until when, who decides you got it right?
Originally posted by windword
My older sister remembered my father doing things to her, and confronted him about when she was in her 40's. My father was a heavy drinker at the time and my mother was always in denial. My sister's revelation took my family through hell and she recanted. But we knew it was true, he did it to me too, along with my uncle and my babysitter's husband.
Sometimes people recant the truth, because the truth can just be too painful for some people to bear.
As too past life memories, I've had many. They are as real as any other memories that I have, sometimes even more so. My memories are always revealed according to something that is pertinent in my present situation, and always extremely enlightening and helpful.
Originally posted by Akragon
Christians can't accept reincarnation because the idea destroys the foundation of their belief system....
IF reincarnation exists... Theres no need for Hell... Which is the backbone of their religion... Fear of Hell...
Which means no more control... no more fear based conversions.... its all over if reincarnation is accepted
Born again means exactly what it says.... rebirth...
And it is by no means a goal... though perhaps a little better then a lake of fire...
At least its logical... while the idea of hell has no basis in logic
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Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
Originally posted by windword
My older sister remembered my father doing things to her, and confronted him about when she was in her 40's. My father was a heavy drinker at the time and my mother was always in denial. My sister's revelation took my family through hell and she recanted. But we knew it was true, he did it to me too, along with my uncle and my babysitter's husband.
Sometimes people recant the truth, because the truth can just be too painful for some people to bear.
As too past life memories, I've had many. They are as real as any other memories that I have, sometimes even more so. My memories are always revealed according to something that is pertinent in my present situation, and always extremely enlightening and helpful.
So how do you bring these experiences in line with your reincarnation effort to learn.
Are you of the opinion that you chose this life before you entered? If so then you and your sister essentially asked for this to happen. Or is it more along the lines that it will all work towards the greater good?
This would be an area where reincarnation is an excuse for anything and you can blame the victim because they chose to have all this happen to them before they incarnated.
I find it hard for people to realize how much they dissociate the horrible things that happen and at the same time claim that they chose this life while in 'spirit.'
Originally posted by colbe What about "false memory?" A dear friend, her brother accused his father of things not true. And not until years later did the brother understand it was all "false memory." The family went through hell. The "past lives" business sounds the same. Just wondering since I never experienced memory of a past life.
Do you remember being born before this life? If not, you think this is your first stint on Earth? How many people out there remember life prior to their life now? Exactly.....
There is no such thing as reincarnation.....
This means your spirit is reborn after you die.....Your spirit reborn, not physical body.....
Once this is done you will approach Jesus Christ if you accepted him as your lord and saviour within your Earthly body.....If not, good luck not believing in Hell......You shall see soon enough
Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
Originally posted by Akragon
Christians can't accept reincarnation because the idea destroys the foundation of their belief system....
IF reincarnation exists... Theres no need for Hell... Which is the backbone of their religion... Fear of Hell...
Which means no more control... no more fear based conversions.... its all over if reincarnation is accepted
Born again means exactly what it says.... rebirth...
And it is by no means a goal... though perhaps a little better then a lake of fire...
At least its logical... while the idea of hell has no basis in logic
edit on 27-6-2013 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
Do you remember being born before this life? If not, you think this is your first stint on Earth? How many people out there remember life prior to their life now? Exactly.....There is no such thing as reincarnation.....
This means your spirit is reborn after you die.....Your spirit reborn, not physical body.....Once this is done you will approach Jesus Christ if you accepted him as your lord and saviour within your Earthly body.....If not, good luck not believing in Hell......You shall see soon enough
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by colbe
I am so sorry if it is true about your sister's memory. What if hers was "false memory?" Pray for the soul of your father. My Dad drank a lot too. Job pressures, he was a social drinker not abusive. Still painful though... Share one your past life memories. Are they repeating dreams for each particular life? Sounds wild, I wonder which life is judged for eternity? And how about free will choices, they mean nothing, you have to keep returning until when, who decides you got it right?
See what you did there? You invalidated mine and my sisters recollections by suggesting that these memories might be false. Why? Because they're not good memories and of something of a lurid nature? If you're so quick to reject someone's painful memories of their childhood, why would I expect you to accept testimonies of past life memories?
I won't share my precious memories with you for that reason, but I will tell you that my most all of my memories were recalled while I was wide awake.
Originally posted by windword
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
Originally posted by windword
My older sister remembered my father doing things to her, and confronted him about when she was in her 40's. My father was a heavy drinker at the time and my mother was always in denial. My sister's revelation took my family through hell and she recanted. But we knew it was true, he did it to me too, along with my uncle and my babysitter's husband.
Sometimes people recant the truth, because the truth can just be too painful for some people to bear.
As too past life memories, I've had many. They are as real as any other memories that I have, sometimes even more so. My memories are always revealed according to something that is pertinent in my present situation, and always extremely enlightening and helpful.
So how do you bring these experiences in line with your reincarnation effort to learn.
Are you of the opinion that you chose this life before you entered? If so then you and your sister essentially asked for this to happen. Or is it more along the lines that it will all work towards the greater good?
This would be an area where reincarnation is an excuse for anything and you can blame the victim because they chose to have all this happen to them before they incarnated.
I find it hard for people to realize how much they dissociate the horrible things that happen and at the same time claim that they chose this life while in 'spirit.'
My answer to Colbe was off topic and in answer to this comment:
Originally posted by colbe What about "false memory?" A dear friend, her brother accused his father of things not true. And not until years later did the brother understand it was all "false memory." The family went through hell. The "past lives" business sounds the same. Just wondering since I never experienced memory of a past life.
My comment was in regard to how people will sometimes recant in order to avoid the pain that the truth can bring.
As far as your other question, I'm not a proponent of karma, as such. Nothing justifies the crimes of one against another. Whether we choose the hardship that life brings us proactively in a pre-incarnation spiritual realm or if God decides the hardships that life brings us, the outcome is the same. What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger.
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Reincarnation, "pre-incarnation"...huuunnnh? Tee-hee.
Stop preaching the lie, what a bunch of nonsense.
Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
Originally posted by Akragon
Christians can't accept reincarnation because the idea destroys the foundation of their belief system....
IF reincarnation exists... Theres no need for Hell... Which is the backbone of their religion... Fear of Hell...
Which means no more control... no more fear based conversions.... its all over if reincarnation is accepted
Born again means exactly what it says.... rebirth...
And it is by no means a goal... though perhaps a little better then a lake of fire...
At least its logical... while the idea of hell has no basis in logic
edit on 27-6-2013 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
Do you remember being born before this life? If not, you think this is your first stint on Earth? How many people out there remember life prior to their life now? Exactly.....There is no such thing as reincarnation.....
This means your spirit is reborn after you die.....Your spirit reborn, not physical body.....Once this is done you will approach Jesus Christ if you accepted him as your lord and saviour within your Earthly body.....If not, good luck not believing in Hell......You shall see soon enough
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by colbe
Reincarnation, "pre-incarnation"...huuunnnh? Tee-hee.
Did you read the OP? Your own church father, Origen taught pre-existence and reincarnation. The Bible teaches pre-existence and reincarnation. Many philosophers, the likes of Pythagoras taught reincarnation. Just because you can't wrap your head around the esoteric meaning and purpose doesn't make it any less valid or true.
Stop preaching the lie, what a bunch of nonsense.
NO! You're not the boss of me. besides, look who talking!!!
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If it can be shown that an incorporeal and reasonable being has life in itself independently of the body and that it is worse off in the body than out of it; then beyond a doubt bodies are only of secondary importance and arise from time to time to meet the varying conditions of reasonable creatures. Those who require bodies are clothed with them, and contrariwise, when fallen souls have lifted themselves up to better things, their bodies are once more annihilated. They are thus ever vanishing and ever reappearing. Origen
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nor Elijah reincarnated.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by colbe
Nope. Adjensen lost that debate. Origen taught reincarnation!
If it can be shown that an incorporeal and reasonable being has life in itself independently of the body and that it is worse off in the body than out of it; then beyond a doubt bodies are only of secondary importance and arise from time to time to meet the varying conditions of reasonable creatures. Those who require bodies are clothed with them, and contrariwise, when fallen souls have lifted themselves up to better things, their bodies are once more annihilated. They are thus ever vanishing and ever reappearing. Origen
www.newadvent.org...
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