a message from Heaven concerning the Supreme Court decision today....

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by colbe

 

Sorry FlyersFan, you fail to see the love and the faith in the messages

Colbe,

We all fail to see the message of love and faith, as there is none in these messages of yours.

They're not mine, check them for yourself. Read the daily messages from Heaven. Be smart and bookmark them.

All the discussion at ATS of...is there a God and if so, who is He and why oh why are we here are all answered very simply in the messages from Heaven. Who could not be drawn to them? I shall look for one of my favorites.

Catholic ~ Yahoo Groups, Seers 2 catholicbinder.com...

Protestant ~ www.ft111.com... www.openheaven.com...

Colbe,

You do not have truth on your side. No one is going to listen to messages that are rooted in heresy. There is no persecution for you to rejoice in here, people are trying to reason with you because you are following the steps of apostasy, not divine mission.

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by colbe

 

Sorry FlyersFan, you fail to see the love and the faith in the messages

Colbe,

We all fail to see the message of love and faith, as there is none in these messages of yours.

windword,

I said I would go look for a favorite message. I found a message from Heaven I had saved in my personal e-mail. It is old, I think it came from a French site that included messages from Heaven worldwide.

This is who God is, so loving.....

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Our Lady

August 13, 2003


"Let me tell you about the sky for you to know and understand the glory of your destination.

My child, injustice exists in your world, but the injustice is not allowed in heaven. There is only love and celebrations. Let me tell you about the sky for you to know and understand the glory of your destination.

The sky is filled with souls who love God. All souls, all filled with joy, exploring every facet of the Divine.
There is much knowledge to have and anything you want to learn, you can learn.

Imagine the joy in the accomplishments of all saints, both those you know and those who are known only to God. In heaven, your achievements will be celebrated.
Your sins, your sins, do not trip and are not only forgotten but incinerated.
Can you imagine, my dear? "Do you begin to think of it? Let me continue.

In heaven, there are vast spaces where all are embedded pieces of beauty ever created by God.
If on land, you create something that is divinely inspired, and that's what we want from you, she will live in heaven to be admired and discussed by your brothers and sisters.

Your spiritual relations also follow you to heaven. Every memory will be erased your sins because you could not enjoy heaven if you were constantly bothered by the memory of your mistakes.

It is a mercy from God himself and a good example that illustrates the character of your God. Please consider this further.

It is never spiteful, never vindictive and he never punishes punishing. God, your Father all loving acts for your benefit, you creatures created in love and hope.
Children, I tell you with love, let your starting trouble, I'll help. Ask me if you please, and let me clean the wounds of the past that have been inflicted by troubled souls. I desire your holiness Your full, your welfare, your confidence. Your healing is here in my hand. I extend my hand to you now and I place in your heart. Be with me, my darling ...it's yours I speak." ...

Originally posted by colbe
Every memory will be erased your sins because you could not enjoy heaven if you were constantly bothered by the memory of your mistakes.

*Disturbing in the highest order*

I take it you underlined that part because you feel it speaks to you personally. Have you actually thought about what the message says?

Consider this;

If you are taken into heaven and your memory is erased, then you will lose your concept of who you were up until that point in time. You will not know who you were and essentially become an empty vessel; therefore you die a second death the first being physical and the second being spiritual. There is only one being that has this goal, and he is not up in heaven.

This is not God speaking here at all. There are far too many stories like the following from the bible Luke 16 that suggest that we are totally self aware and know exactly who we are and were on earth in the afterlife

The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ 25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ 27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ 30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.

Source

Originally posted by colbe
Now you attack them. I thought at the time you were telling stories. How can one person know several famous seers? Hmmm. Father Gobbi, oh please. Something isn't right,

In a pathetic deflection attempt you are, once again, calling me a liar? Not even close. As I've said .. I was just like you. I spent the 80's and 90's as an 'apparition hopper'. I subscribed to all the latest apparition magazines. I went to them ... Conyers, Medjugorie, Emmitsburg, Betania. I met Father Gobbi. Cindi Cain. And a handful of other 'seers' (all turned out to be fake.) The day my daughter became an American we met Cardinal Arinze on the set of the 'live show' at EWTN (and I have a picture of him holding her) We used to attend Mother Angelicas weekly classes for the lay people in St. Michaels Hall and go to the Live Shows. I've met Maria Esperanzas family. And so on ... so many I can't begin to remember. I got to meet all these people because I was a volunteer at EWTN for 10 years. I've told you all this. So don't you freak'n dare call me a liar. I'm not the one posting lies. YOU ARE.

a devotion to private revelation turned to bitterness.

Wrong. I was caught up in fake apparitions the same as you. I LEARNED that the church doesn't approve of this behavior. I LEARNED to follow what the CANON LAW says and to listen to the experts (the church) in these matters. I actually became a better Catholic in this matter than you are being.

[ Do not attack the messengers FlyersFan.

THEY ARE NOT MESSENGERS. They are frauds.

Canon Law and the Obligation of Obedience by the Faithful

As the bishops are entrusted with the responsibilities of discerning and ruling on apparitions as stemming from the nature of their office, so there are fundamental responsibilities on the part of the members of the diocese. First, they are to obey their bishops when the latter act as Christ's representatives (canon 212), that is, when they teach formally or establish binding discipline as pastors of a particular church. This obedience owed to the bishops in their capacity as leaders of particular churches is intended to promote the common good. Canon 753 also speaks of the "religious assent" owed to the bishops' teaching authority, which means a special quality of respect and gratitude, along with critical awareness and good will. Hence, there should be intelligent obedience to ecclesiastical authority in the matter of alleged apparitions.

Hear that Colbe, ... Canon 753 ... you MUST obey what the Bishops say in these matters. Otherwise, you are breaking Canon law. The bishops say that these 'visionaries' that you are pushing are fake and that NONE of the messages are to be pushed.

Don't deflect from that truth .... you breaking church law by pushing the frauds on others.
Just admit it ... you are now a protestant.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by colbe
Now you attack them. I thought at the time you were telling stories. How can one person know several famous seers? Hmmm. Father Gobbi, oh please. Something isn't right,

In a pathetic deflection attempt you are, once again, calling me a liar? Not even close. As I've said .. I was just like you. I spent the 80's and 90's as an 'apparition hopper'. I subscribed to all the latest apparition magazines. I went to them ... Conyers, Medjugorie, Emmitsburg, Betania. I met Father Gobbi. Cindi Cain. And a handful of other 'seers' (all turned out to be fake.) The day my daughter became an American we met Cardinal Arinze on the set of the 'live show' at EWTN (and I have a picture of him holding her) We used to attend Mother Angelicas weekly classes for the lay people in St. Michaels Hall and go to the Live Shows. I've met Maria Esperanzas family. And so on ... so many I can't begin to remember. I got to meet all these people because I was a volunteer at EWTN for 10 years. I've told you all this. So don't you freak'n dare call me a liar. I'm not the one posting lies. YOU ARE.

a devotion to private revelation turned to bitterness.

Wrong. I was caught up in fake apparitions the same as you. I LEARNED that the church doesn't approve of this behavior. I LEARNED to follow what the CANON LAW says and to listen to the experts (the church) in these matters. I actually became a better Catholic in this matter than you are being.

[ Do not attack the messengers FlyersFan.

THEY ARE NOT MESSENGERS. They are frauds.

Canon Law and the Obligation of Obedience by the Faithful

As the bishops are entrusted with the responsibilities of discerning and ruling on apparitions as stemming from the nature of their office, so there are fundamental responsibilities on the part of the members of the diocese. First, they are to obey their bishops when the latter act as Christ's representatives (canon 212), that is, when they teach formally or establish binding discipline as pastors of a particular church. This obedience owed to the bishops in their capacity as leaders of particular churches is intended to promote the common good. Canon 753 also speaks of the "religious assent" owed to the bishops' teaching authority, which means a special quality of respect and gratitude, along with critical awareness and good will. Hence, there should be intelligent obedience to ecclesiastical authority in the matter of alleged apparitions.

Hear that Colbe, ... Canon 753 ... you MUST obey what the Bishops say in these matters. Otherwise, you are breaking Canon law. The bishops say that these 'visionaries' that you are pushing are fake and that NONE of the messages are to be pushed.

Don't deflect from that truth .... you breaking church law by pushing the frauds on others.
Just admit it ... you are now a protestant.

"freakn" is a substitute word. Coming from a lady and a Catholic, how devout. You turned on the messages for personal reasons nothing to do with Canon Law. How come a believer once and now so terribly against the yet to be approved? Angry at God?

Catholics are not suppose to share condemned by the Church private revelation. If Holy Love messages fall under this, I fell down. I'll post the OP message again, share with everyone, where is the error in that message?

You keep adding to your stories, knowing even more visionaries and now your former position on EWTN. If true doesn't make you an expert. EWTN since Mother Angelica is very anti-private revelation. Mother Angelica believes/believed in Garabandal. She had Joey Lamangino on her program.

Your attack on yet to be approved private revelation, I think you were the self proclaimed expert on the faith and prophecy at ATS and didn't like me coming along to say the messages from Heaven are beautiful, they help people have hope and strengthen a person's faith. Oh how the world needs to hear from God and every day. Why would Heaven be silent? Wait instead, how many years and not share them. That makes no sense.

Prophesied events are close, holy bishops say take the good from the messages. They're not out to condemn the visionaries in their diocese. The ones that have, maybe wrong. It has happened in the past, pride gets in their way. What do you with the obvious miracles? They're a sign from God for disbelievers, the yet to be approved messages are true. Explain Conchita, the main seer at Garabandal's Eucharistic miracle? Eyewitnesses to it.

FlyersFann, you a pilgrim of Medjugorje which is "condemned" by the bishops there should do as you tell others to do.

The world is in such a mess, hardly any faith, this is a major reason why God speaks to the world every day via daily private revelation. We are at the start of the Great Tribulation.



God bless you FF,

Originally posted by colbe
Notice the last words of Our Lord, your free will to decide if you wish to follow God, He knows best. We all have to be determined, pray, consecrate your families to Our Lord and His mother. Pray, dear Lord help me to persevere.

You can change, realize who "love" is because love here is fickle, our fallen nature.

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..."I tell you, solemnly, the issue that this country's Supreme Court is considering today - same sex marriage - would have been scandalous a generation ago. That is how compromised the morals of this generation have become."

"The Father created sex for the propagation of life, not for pleasure for pleasure's sake. Mankind is so far removed from the Will of My Father that he now thinks he has the right to legislate what is sin and what is not sin. Sin is never a right, but an erroneous free will choice. The Will of My Father is not debatable. Like Truth, it does not change to please contingencies or garner favor."

"Turn to My Mercy before it is too late."

Where is the falsehood, where is the error in the message given June 26th? I am asking to you dear FlyersFan. How does it contradict the teachings of Christ, the same, the teachings of the faith?


thank you,

reply to post by colbe


I think FF has made it clear that you are doing exactly what your church says not to do. You are pushing visions that your church says should not be pushed or believed, and FF has pointed that fact out numerous times already, with links and quotes to boot.

Either you are in deep denial, or you are just trying to save face. My bet is on denial.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I think FF has made it clear that you are doing exactly what your church says not to do.

That is one thing that I admire about Colbe. Except for that, I feel very sad for Colbe.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by colbe

 

I think FF has made it clear that you are doing exactly what your church says not to do. You are pushing visions that your church says should not be pushed or believed, and FF has pointed that fact out numerous times already, with links and quotes to boot.

Either you are in deep denial, or you are just trying to save face. My bet is on denial.

edit on 6-7-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)

Again, I shared a message in the OP that contain nothing against the faith.

Excuse me, you use the word "denial" 3NL when you post threads and comment in other threads agreeing with those who deny God and the faith (Roman Catholicism).

FF, you reject yet to be approved messages from Heaven when you spent years believing and following them even going overseas? FlyersFann, the visionary name dropping, you add another seers name as you go along. Difficult to believe and points out habitual storytellers, one of their traits. And another makes no sense, knowing the present day seers and visionaries should make you more devoted to the current messages.


Read the message in the OP, why it is frustrating, those helping sodomites accept their grave sin, the "act."

reply to post by colbe


So you have nothing to say about those Catholic bishops condemning what you are pushing? You know, the same bishops you are supposed to listen to, the ones who have the last say in the matter?

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

reply to post by windword


Yeah, you can tell that he was raised a fundamental Catholic. I'm betting his parents were the bible thumping types.

He might be the worst case of indoctrination that I've seen on these boards so far. He's in complete and total denial at this point.

Either that, or he's an amazing troll.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by colbe

 

So you have nothing to say about those Catholic bishops condemning what you are pushing? You know, the same bishops you are supposed to listen to, the ones who have the last say in the matter?

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

Why comment, either way, you have made your opinion of God and the faith apparent at ATS.

There is a Remnant, Jesus prayed to God the Father that we all believe the same. What are you going to do?

The bishops are not infallible and in the the present day messages, Heaven speaks of some bishops, especially American bishops who are not preaching the faith. God has to speak through His prophets, what can Heaven do, thank the Lord for the messengers.. Here is an example of certain bishop's faithfulness, Cardinal Dolan (once a bishop) and his Al Smith Dinner.

Return to the subject of the message in the OP, you mock God supporting sodomy (ich, yuk). The Supreme Court legalizes grave sin, more evidence we are in the end times, the end of an evil period. Jesus come soon.

3NLIGHT pray and follow God, you can change.

Originally posted by colbe

Where is the falsehood, where is the error in the message given June 26th? I am asking to you dear FlyersFan. How does it contradict the teachings of Christ, the same, the teachings of the faith?


thank you,

Here is the falsehood right here;

"I am your Jesus, born Incarnate."

Message from Jun 26th

This is the header from the message that you quoted, that you have conveniently omitted all the way through so far. I implies the message comes directly from Jesus. This message is NOT from Jesus. I have said more than once that God and his heavenly emissaries do not speak directly on political issues.

Originally posted by markosity1973

Originally posted by colbe

Where is the falsehood, where is the error in the message given June 26th? I am asking to you dear FlyersFan. How does it contradict the teachings of Christ, the same, the teachings of the faith?


thank you,

Here is the falsehood right here;

"I am your Jesus, born Incarnate."

Message from Jun 26th

This is the header from the message that you quoted, that you have conveniently omitted all the way through so far. I implies the message comes directly from Jesus. This message is NOT from Jesus. I have said more than once that God and his heavenly emissaries do not speak directly on political issues.

edit on 7-7-2013 by markosity1973 because: (no reason given)

Mark,

The mortal sin of sodomy is damning unless confessed to God before you die. Our Lord who is God is not silent while the Supreme Court legalizes, approves the sin sodomy.

Read Jesus brief words again, they are clear, very easy to understand.

God desires to save souls.

Gays cannot procreate. A fact.

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"The Father created sex for the propagation of life, not for pleasure for pleasure's sake. Mankind is so far removed from the Will of My Father that he now thinks he has the right to legislate what is sin and what is not sin. Sin is never a right, but an erroneous free will choice."...

Our friend FlyersFan can't name the error in the full message because there isn't one. I keep asking, no reply.


www.holylove.org...

Originally posted by colbe

Our friend FlyersFan can't name the error in the full message because there isn't one. I keep asking, no reply.

I just pointed out the error in the message and you totally ignored it. Any fool could have come up with those words, the fact that they do not contradict that faith does not mean that the claimed source i.e. Jesus is genuine.

What it does mean however is that someone is committing the very serious sin of putting words in his mouth.

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Yeah we get it God hates us all and we will pay for it when we die....
BUT you have no right condemning others do you? that is Gods job not yours.
So I suggest you

pray for forgiveness...you better flagellate yourself just to show that you are sorry.

So please stop with your old world hokey religious BS, many have evolved to know better, If you wish to remain in 1812 please stop usig the net.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by colbe

 

Yeah we get it God hates us all and we will pay for it when we die....
BUT you have no right condemning others do you? that is Gods job not yours.
So I suggest you

pray for forgiveness...you better flagellate yourself just to show that you are sorry.

So please stop with your old world hokey religious XX, many have evolved to know better, If you wish to remain in 1812 please stop usig the net.

Who is "we?" Monkeyboy, you don't have to remain a sodomite if this is what you are referring to...

Gays use the persecution card even with God but God loves everyone, He did not make you a sodomite. It is a disorder. You can change.

Pray for conversions, it is your free will choice to choose obvious mortal sin.

reply to post by colbe


Do you know what that word means in the biblical sense?

:shk:

Originally posted by colbe
Gays use the persecution card even with God but God loves everyone, He did not make you a sodomite. It is a disorder. You can change.

Now you are just contradicting yourself and showing that you do not read and / or comprehend what is being said in this and many other forums re homosexuals and God.

You have already admitted that all you know about homosexuals is from what you have read. I and others have tried to correct your false beliefs that it is a treatable disorder. But you choose to listen to the words of false prophets over truthful and honest testimony from the real people affected.

Here is a moral dilemma question for you;

Just for one moment I ask you to entertain the belief that we really are 'stuck' this way and cannot change. What is your honest opinion;

Do we be honest, truthful and open and exist as our gay selves in spite of the well publicised Christian consequences for doing so?

Or

Do we live a lie and have fake marriages and sleep around behind our wive's backs just to keep the Christian community happy in spite of the untold problems this would cause?