a message from Heaven concerning the Supreme Court decision today....

Originally posted by markosity1973

Originally posted by colbe

FlyersFan, helping the sodomites to reject the teachings of Christ? You're their gal.

Its funny how a person's true nature is revealed under pressure. Resorting to name calling only means that you have run out of quality arguments. We already know this.

You accept Medjugorje but it is not approved. Why are you ignoring the bishop's decision for thirty years? Do as I say not as I do.

It is not condemned either. I am sure that FF like myself would denounce our belief in Medjugorje if the church does condemn it. But it has not. Yet AGAIN you have ignored important information I have posted. I put up the Medjugorje aoplogia link that has all the up to date information from the church on it INCLUDING the reversal of the Bishop of Sarajevo's declaration that it is false.

Storytellers keep adding to their story. People can recognize an habitual storyteller.

We sure can Colbe, we sure can..................

The bishops have said Medjugore is not true for 30 years.

Christ who is God has revealed sodomy is an abomination, a grave mortal sin. Flyersfan won't touch the OP message because she knows it clearly states this Truth. She desires to flatter you so ask her, let her state the truth of the faith on sodomy.

Again, The Vatican took over Medjugojre, from the various Bishop's same decision for 30 years which was negative. I shared, the bishops can get it wrong. This is recent so FF is full of hot air, she went to Medjugorje, an apparition rejected by the local bishop. How dare she tell others to follow the bishop's decision.

FF was an EWTN volunteer, new story. I can't name let alone know all the visionaries FF posts she has met and said she knows personally.

How strange, doesn't add up.



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Originally posted by colbe


The bishops have said Medjugore is not true for 30 years.

Christ who is God has revealed sodomy is an abomination, a grave mortal sin. Flyersfan won't touch the OP message because she knows it clearly states this Truth. She desires to flatter you so ask her, let her state the truth of the faith on sodomy.

Again, The Vatican took over Medjugojre, from the various Bishop's same decision for 30 years which was negative. I shared, the bishops can get it wrong. This is recent so FF is full of hot air, she went to Medjugorje, an apparition rejected by the local bishop. How dare she tell others to follow the bishop's decision.

Go back to page 17, click on the green link entitled Medjugorje apologia in my post there. Then come back to me and tell me your findings. In the meantime our conversation is suspended because you have lost all credibility and are arguing round and round in ever decreasing circles.

Originally posted by colbe
Flyersfan won't touch the OP message because she knows it clearly states this Truth.

DEFLECTION on your part. As I said ... YOUR CHURCH says you can't push fake visions and still be a member in good standing with the church. You have disobeyed Canon Law (which YOU challenged me to look up!!). This is a grave sin in your church. You have excommunicated yourself until you go to confession and promise to stop what you are doing.

FF is full of hot air, she went to Medjugorje, an apparition rejected by the local bishop.

I went 22 years ago ... LIke I said, that was back when I was an apparition hopper. Today I know better. I know that the CHURCH has the authority to tell Catholics what is authentic and what isn't. And like I said, the VATICAN now has authority over medjugorje. So travel to Medjugorje is now fine.

How dare she tell others to follow the bishop's decision.

How dare you tell people here to follow a condemned fake apparition?

FF was an EWTN volunteer, new story.

Lie! My post here from 2005 ... And I've said it many times since then. OFTEN TO YOU! LIKE HERE and also HERE and not only did I bring it up HERE again but I also gave a phone number and a name to ask for for verification. That person (Deacon Bill) just died. But I'd be more than happy to give you another name of a person I worked with who is still volunteering down there. ETC ETC ETC

How strange, doesn't add up.

It's only strange to you because you are jealous and you don't want it to add up.

Again ... stop with the deflection. The Canon Law is clear. Are you Catholic ... or are you going to continue to work against the Catholic Church and spread false apparitions which is clearly against Canon Law to do? Pick one or the other.

The Dangers of Pushing False Apparitions

In 1882, Christ revealed to the stigmatist, Marie Julie Jahenny of La Fraudais, France that:

"During the time of the approach of the punishments announced at La Salette, an unlimited amount of FALSE REVELATIONS will arise from hell like a swarm of flies; a last attempt of Satan to choke and destroy the belief in the TRUE REVELATIONS by false ones."

EWTN Library - Apparitions

The first responsibility of the faithful is to remain firmly established in the faith, in the sacraments and in communion with the Pope and bishops. Any Catholic who gives their primary attention to alleged private revelation at the expense of Sacred Scripture, the teaching of the Church (especially the Catechism), sacramental practice, prayer and fidelity to Church authority is off course. The running after spiritual phenomena, such as alleged revelations, is condemned by St. John of the Cross as spiritual avarice. This means that pious souls who would be repulsed by crude materialistic greed think nothing of being greedy to know revelations and prophecies. An exclusive, or even a predominant attention to these matters (especially apocalyptic ones), cannot help but produce an unbalanced spirituality. Should the Church condemn some favorite alleged revelation such a person may find themselves believing more in it than in the supernatural authority of the Church. The devil will have succeeded in what he had set out to do.

The second responsibility is to have regard, in the first place, for those private revelations and apparitions approved by the Church. Within a balanced practice of the faith the edifying content of approved private revelations can be a motive for deeper piety and fidelity to the Gospel. God has chosen to give guidance to the Church in particular eras in this way and we would, as I noted above, be imprudent to disregard altogether what are credibly His prophetic interventions in the life of His Church.

Finally, there are many other private revelations that have not received Church approval. The Second Vatican Council urges us to discern the Spirit in the case of such extraordinary graces [Lumen gentium 12], which means being neither gullible or incredulous, but subjecting them to all relevant theological and human tests of credibility. Clearly, in this the judgment of the local bishop is the key element of such a discernment as I noted above. Often enough, unfortunately, the laity are left to make this determination themselves, relying on the testimony of the events, the judgment of holy and orthodox priests and common sense. It must always be kept in mind that however credible and reasonable such revelations seem to be, God would never ask one to separate oneself from the faith and discipline of the Church to follow it.

See all that ??

- Remain in communion with the Church and the Bishops in this matter. That means, if they say it's not authentic then you MUST not push them ... Canon law says so.

- It's spiritual avarice to go running after these fake apparitions.

- Rely on the judgement of the Church.

- No matter how credible or reasonable a message may be, NEVER separate yourself from the faith and the DISCIPLINE OF THE CHURCH. Meaning ... if you follow fake messages that have been condemned, you have separated yourself from the Church.

- The devil wins when a Catholic holds the fake apparitions in higher regard than the Church teaching and Church decisions. It's an unhealthy attachment to the false instead of to Christs Church.

A return to the thread subject. Our Lord knew the Supreme Court's decision ahead of time. Accept Christ's teachings, do not follow the idolaters and the perversions of the world. Confess to God the mortal sin of sodomy and remain celibate if you believe yourself to be homosexual.

Father Melvin has a parish on Prince Edward Island, the only place in Canada where abortion is banned. Father has the gift of healing and he is an author, I have read his book contemplative prayer.
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www.ourladyofpei.com...

June 18, 2013

message to Father Melvin Doucette

Romans 1:25-27
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.
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As we are approaching summer it is getting warmer with the temperature here around 20 degrees Celsius. Everything is growing very well. Below you will find the message of Our Lord, the Son of God, given to Father Melvin. Jesus spoke to him these words,

....“You are not to follow the false ideas of the world but look to Me, your Redeemer, and follow what I have taught you. Saint Paul in his writings teaches you all what I have taught him. Do not worship idols as so many do these days. The idols that many follow today are all kinds of pleasure, sports, watching television and many other things. Many have rejected Me and are perverted and follow the ways of the world. Saint Paul shows how horrible homosexuality is in the words above. Homosexuality is a perversity and this is My teaching. Anyone who lives in a homosexual relationship and perform all these homosexual acts cannot be saved. They have to stop all this and live as celibates and follow the commandments. There are many who have this leaning who live the way I lived when I was on earth. I lived as a celibate and had no sexual relationship with anybody. That was not because I was leaning towards homosexuality, but that was the way I chose to live. Those who live that way will indeed be saved and it will be My pleasure to welcome them into heaven. I love you all so come follow Me.”

So...am I to take it that this is the corner of ATS where the people with the card board signs hang out?

Originally posted by colbe
A return to the thread subject.

The only person who left the subject of this thread was you when you started slamming people. Showing that these so called apparitions that you are posting are fake, is part of the subject of the thread. Showing that you are working against the Catholic church when you post these are part of the subject of the thread.

ACKNOWLEDGE the fact that you are breaking Canon Law of your church by posting the condemned 'message' in the OP. ACKNOWLEDGE the fact that it is condemned.

APOLOGIZE for calling me a liar when in fact you were the one stating things that weren't true. I have ALWAYS said that I was a volunteer at EWTN .... and you've been told it many times before. Apologize My post here from 2005 ... And I've said it many times since then. OFTEN TO YOU! LIKE HERE and also HERE and not only did I bring it up HERE again but I also gave a phone number about half way down the page to verify.

Did you even read the information from your church about why you shouldn't be posting all these false apparitions? READ THIS and learn.

ETA how dare you tell others to live by what the Catholic church teaches when you aren't even doing that.

Dear FlyersFan,

You can attack me all you like, doesn't change the teachings of the faith. The message in the OP, from Lord
He explains once again. Sodomy is a grave sin. The Supreme Court cannot legalize mortal sin.

You reject the yet to be approved private revelation, I don't. People are sick of your protest, stick to the subject of thread or start your own thread. Give up your repeated same old protest, you went to Medjugorje when it was disproved by the bishops and most of the apparition sites, you say you met or know many of the visionaries, very questionable. Instead, share the beauty of the faith. In another thread at ATS.

Before you go, tell me, share the error, the falsehood in Our Lord's words in the OP message?


God bless you,

Originally posted by colbe
doesn't change the teachings of the faith. The message in the OP, from Lord ...

1 - The teachings of the faith state that the 'visionary' and all her 'messages' are condemned.
2 - The teachings of the faith state that you are supposed to abide by the church on this matter, and the church says not to push these false messages.
3 - The teachings of the faith state that you shouldn't lie .. and that is what you are doing when you say that the fake messages are from God.
4 - The teachings of the faith state that you should apologize to the person who you just lied about .. that's ME.
5 - It's very hypocritical of you to claim to be spreading the faith when in fact you are working against the faith ... against the Catholic Church. That's what Canon Law says you are doing. So don't tell other people how to live when you aren't even doing what you say they should be.

You reject the yet to be approved private revelation, I don't.

1 - There is no such thing as 'yet to be approved' private revelation.
2 - You made the same mistake with the Maria Divine Mercy fake apparitions, calling them 'yet to be approved' when they never will and they were false.
3 - These fake apparitions have been declared CONDEMNED by the church.

People are sick of your protest,

1 - Actually, they are very happy to see the facts that I'm posting here.
2 - YOU OWE ME AN APOLOGY ... ADMIT YOU WERE DEAD WRONG AND LIED ABOUT ME.

Originally posted by colbe
you say you met or know many of the visionaries, very questionable.

Don't be so jealous Colbe. It's ugly.

I volunteered at EWTN for a whole decade. 8 years formally volunteering and 2 years not formally. I'd meet all the 'big names' from the 1990s as they came into the studio for the live shows or for mass or to meet Mother. It's to be expected. It's just like when someone works at a rock radio station in a city .... when the rock bands come to town to do their concerts they do interviews at radio stations and so the people in the radio stations get to meet them. Same thing at EWTN with the 'rock stars' of Catholicism in the 1990s. I met some great ones ... like Cardinal Arinze. I met some clunkers ... like Fr. Ken Roberts. It's just the way it worked. It's not 'questionable'. It's EXPECTED. So once again .. you owe me yet another apology. They are adding up ....

I would bookmark these messages. Especially for the future, regarding Fatima, Israel and the Holy Father. The messenger is anonymous. This messenger's spiritual director is Monsignor John Esseff. Monsignor was spiritual director for Mother Teresa. And Padre Pio was Monsignor Esseff's spiritual director.

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Saturday, October 29, 2011

149. Mary, the Fundamentalist


Mary

....People forget the way the world used to be, how people obeyed God and lived in his light. This was the Age of Faith, when God’s law formed the culture. Then, one thing after another came onto the stage. Need I list them? Divorce, contraception, abortion, homosexuality, in vitro fertilization, Playboy Magazine, Viagra. The list goes on and on. Fashions change and modesty is thrown away like an unwanted coin. These did not come overnight. Each one appeared slowly on the scene, one after another. What will come next? You can see what I mean. What people would never accept if introduced quickly, they gradually accept as it is presented to them little by little. Life is forever changed because they forget the way life should be. Now, all these forces are released in society and children who are born come into quite a different world, a darker world, a world filled with darkness that did not exist before.

How can this society be purified? Anyone who preaches is called radical, a fundamentalist. Let it be known, I am the deepest of fundamentalists. I see clearly the will of the Father. I see how he views all these changes that have moved mankind away from his law. I see the total disregard for the Lord’s Day. I see the scourge that has happened to your children by the introduction of drugs and pornography. I see and I speak so you might see. Open your eyes to what has happened to America! Look at your children. Are they the same as you or has society stole them from you and erased their religious values? Do they see life as you see it? Is their faith as deep as your faith?

What can be done? See the situation for what it is. Awake from your blindness. Cleanse your home. Purify your family. Say to yourself, “My family and I will walk a different road. I will find other families who will walk with me. We will come together to foster the ancient truths and the former values.” I will be with you on this long and arduous quest.

Comment: When the culture was healthy, families were healthy. Now, the family must resist the culture.



Jesus

Many persons and institutions are hollow, having no inner core of truth. A time of judgment, different for each one, will come. Those persons and institutions built upon a lie will be removed from office or they will collapse. They will be replaced by people of truth and by institutions built on truth. In this way, when decisions are made, the darkness will be put aside.

These people and institutions of darkness, allow the powers of darkness to spread and grab hold. They see absolutely nothing wrong with the darkness. They even agree with the darkness. Because darkness is part of their agenda, they foster the darkness instead of removing it. This must change.


www.locutions.org...

reply to post by colbe


Why are you so against the Supreme Court's decision? As your book says:

Romans 13
1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

So the Supreme Court's decision is god's decision. Why are you so against what god has planned?

FlyersFann,

I am not going to read your posts any longer, they hurt and I am tired of the battle. Take the advise of a holy priest. Monsignor John Esseff. I just shared some of his history. I've often said, take the good from the messages. Check the home page at www.locutions.org...


Monsignor said concerning Private Revelations:
These are private revelations and there is no need to believe them. If these revelations help your faith, then receive them. If not, you can set them aside. We are called to believe only public revelations.



may the Two Hearts keep you safe,


colbe

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by colbe

 

Why are you so against the Supreme Court's decision? As your book says:

Romans 13
1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

So the Supreme Court's decision is god's decision. Why are you so against what god has planned?

edit on 8-7-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)

Like the Supreme Court's decision on Roe vs Wade? No! 3NLIGHT, Jesus said it in the message in the OP. See below. We can know God's ways, the Supreme Court keeps falling down in their decisions, they're not of God.


"Mankind is so far removed from the Will of My Father that he now thinks he has the right to legislate what is sin and what is not sin. Sin is never a right, but an erroneous free will choice."

reply to post by colbe

Colbe, this is why nobody will listen to you;

Here is a montage of the litany of lies you have espoused in this thread.

For anyone else reading this, this is not all of the lies told, just the ones since page 16

Why did you go to Medjugorje when the Bishops there said no to Mary appearing?

You still have not got back to me about the Medjugorje Apologia so I will make it easy for you; This is the Church's opinion of the statement of the Bishop of Sarajevo

2. The CDF has taken an unprecedented position by stating that the bishop's negative convictions of Medjugorje is merely "his personal opinion". If we are to be honest with ourselves about the implications of this statement, we must then dismiss anything the bishop says on the matter as not holding any authority, since it is based on his personal opinions (as opposed to an official pronouncement). This includes his many writings against Medjugorje, the numerous articles, his appearances on public television condemning the apparitions, the commentary on his diocese website, and so forth. None of this can be given any more authority than if a layperson were saying the same.

Medjugorje Apologia

Gays cannot procreate. A fact.

Ever heard of IVF? Gay people have and gay / lesbian couples have been known to use it

In vitro fertilisation (IVF) is a process by which an egg is fertilised by sperm outside the body: in vitro. IVF is a major treatment for infertility when other methods of assisted reproductive technology have failed. The process involves monitoring a woman's ovulatory process, removing ovum or ova (egg or eggs) from the woman's ovaries and letting sperm fertilise them in a fluid medium in a laboratory

In Vitro Fertilisation

Gays use the persecution card even with God but God loves everyone, He did not make you a sodomite. It is a disorder. You can change.

Gays do not care so much for the bigoted opinion of obstinate bible bashers. However, homosexuality is not a treatable disorder.

Since 1975, the American Psychological Association has called on psychologists to take the lead in removing the stigma of mental illness that has long been associated with lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations. The discipline of psychology is concerned with the well-being of people and groups and therefore with threats to that well-being. The prejudice and discrimination that people who identify as lesbian, gay, or bisexual regularly experience have been shown to have negative psychological effects. This information is designed to provide accurate information for those who want to better understand sexual orientation and the impact of prejudice and discrimination on those who identify as lesbian, gay, or bisexual.

APA findings

There is no such thing as homosexual marriage.

Same-sex marriage (also known as gay marriage) is marriage between two persons of the same biological sex and/or gender identity. Legal recognition of same-sex marriage or the possibility to perform a same-sex marriage is sometimes referred to as marriage equality or equal marriage, particularly by supporters.[1][2][3][4][5][6]
The first laws in modern times enabling same-sex marriage were enacted during the first decade of the 21st century. As of May 2013, thirteen countries (Argentina, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Denmark,[nb 1] France, Iceland, Netherlands,[nb 2] Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, Sweden), and several sub-national jurisdictions (parts of Mexico and the United States), allow same-sex couples to marry. Uruguay and New Zealand[nb 3] have both enacted laws to legalize same-sex marriage which will come into force in August 2013.[7][8] Bills allowing legal recognition of same-sex marriage have been proposed, are pending, or have passed at least one legislative house in Andorra, England and Wales, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Luxembourg, Nepal, Scotland, and Taiwan, as well as in parts of Australia, Mexico, and the United States.

Same sex marriage

And of course the original OP from Holy Love Ministries

“Having been directed by the Holy See (in Rome) to act definitively in the matter of the alleged apparitions … and having reviewed the theological content of the alleged apparitions to Maureen Sweeney-Kyle and having consulted an expert in this matter, I … declare that the alleged apparitions and locations … are not supernatural in origin.” Lennon’s decree states he “forbid members of the clergy of any ecclesiastical jurisdiction” to celebrate the sacraments on the site of Holy Love Ministries.

“I admonish the faithful of the Diocese of Cleveland to cease gathering for any religious, liturgical, spiritual or devotional purpose on the site of Holy Love Ministries and declare that the Confraternity of the United Hearts of Jesus and Mary is not an approved association of the Christian faithful in the Diocese of Cleveland and may not legitimately use the name “Catholic” or represent itself as a Catholic group,” Lennon said in his decree.

Holy Love Ministries Condemned

Originally posted by colbe
FlyersFann, I am not going to read your posts any longer, they hurt and I am tired of the battle.

Admit you lied about me and stop running away from the apology you owe me. Admit that you are breaking Church law even while you are trying to tell everyone else to follow it. Admit that your opening post is pushing a condemned false message. It's the Christian thing to do.

reply to post by markosity1973


mark,

I can't help it you are a sodomite, it is your soul. You can go to Confession and remain celibate. Look it up in the Catechism or read the message in the OP. Argue the messages from Heaven, I know the message in the OP
is the teaching of Christ and the Church for 2000 years. The reason I posted it.

I believe in Medjugorje, there are some Bishops from that diocese that do not...

reply to post by colbe


Colbe,

I can't help that you're a bigot, it is your hate that causes division and war in this world. If everyone thought as you did, we would never have peace and everyone would be afraid to be themselves for fear of persecution and ridicule.

Why not obey your book and accept what the Supreme Court has ruled? They are part of the authorities, which your book says were chosen by god and who do the will of god. To condemn their decision is to put judgement on yourself.

Why do you continue to judge yourself colbe? Judge not lest ye be judged. Those are words of wisdom that fall on deaf ears apparently.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by colbe

 

Colbe,

I can't help that you're a bigot, it is your hate that causes division and war in this world. If everyone thought as you did, we would never have peace and everyone would be afraid to be themselves for fear of persecution and ridicule.

Why not obey your book and accept what the Supreme Court has ruled? They are part of the authorities, which your book says were chosen by god and who do the will of god. To condemn their decision is to put judgement on yourself.

Why do you continue to judge yourself colbe? Judge not lest ye be judged. Those are words of wisdom that fall on deaf ears apparently.

"Bigot" and "hate" are your words, accusing because you are pro-sodomy (obviously disgusting act) and I am not.

I shared one of Heaven's responses to the Supreme Court's immoral decision. There are sodomites here who have admitted they are and have no intention of changing, their words. You can pray for their conversion.

Why keep repeating "your book" referring to the Bible if you don't believe it 3NLIGHT? I already replied to your question in a previous post.

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When must we refuse to obey the State?

No one may follow orders from the State that violate God’s laws.

It was Peter who called us to practice only a relative obedience toward the State when he said, “We must obey God rather than men” (Acts 5:29). If a State should establish laws and procedures that are racist, sexist, or destructive of human life, a Christian is obliged in conscience to refuse to obey, to refrain from participation, and to offer resistance. (YOUCAT questions 375-377)

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Dig Deeper: Corresponding Catechism of the Catholic Church - section (2234-2257)

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Messages from heaven? I think Flyersfan has proved that they are not..( cheers flyers ).
Again and again you post the same old BS, your messages of hate but we have seen through you for what you are.
Jesus would weep for your soul because the only one I see going straight down is yours, you judge like you are God, you hate others for just being human beings.
Sad really very sad...all over something that does not concern you in the slightest.
I would start by asking for forgiveness from the ATS members here in this thread and especially Flyersfan because she has shown you how wrong you are but you refuse to converse with her because you know deep down she is right.
Be a man and a human being and admit it you are wrong...