The pain inflicted upon the American people is above partisanship. It's about FOOD now.

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Opportunity everywhere? Absolutely everywhere...eh? I beg to differ and so does the Federal Government. If there is one thing they do well, it's keep statistics. They keep stats on everything imagineable and in every break down and form you could ever think to ask for. For instance, this list shows unemployment rates for 372 metro areas in the U.S.

Unemployment Rates for Metropolitan Areas

That shows that while some areas are on the extreme of more jobs than people exist to fill them (North Dakota), they are among the exception and far from the rule. On the bottom of the scale are other population centers pushing THIRTY PERCENT unemployment, which hasn't dramatically changed for them going into this year.

Where many rates have dropped, it's been in the reports issued by this same agency where you see the reason has much to do with the numbers dropping out of the search for jobs entirely. So, to suggest jobs are easily had everywhere is simply to say you've not looked at the national picture in any depth beyond the figure the media throws out once a month. My area, for instance, is still having serious issues but nothing like some at the bottom of that list I linked.

Originally posted by neo96
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Funny that before Carter and the Department Education, and a group of people who aren't GOP thinks 'education' is just how many billions are thrown at them will somehow make them smarter.

Before that we put men on the moon and since that all we hear is where is my foodstamps.

Yes, the entire education process is now geared toward indoctrinating children and making them rubber stamp enablers of the very police state that liberals say they hate so much. They are creating their own monster and then blaming others for it.
The new Common Core Standards have programs which teach the global warming theory instead of real science. It is propaganda for the Agenda 21 program of "sustainable development".
They are trying to hide this from the parents by making the curriculum unavailable to them, and presenting it as vague "standards".
Teachers literally do not see the tests. They are mere facilitators.

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I agree with you Wrabbit, this is the highest unemployment we have seen since the Great Depression. It is easy for Democrats to declare Republicans evil when they try various methods for controlling the budget.
This is really where the Cloward/Piven strategy has come into play, that is overwhelming the system to make it collapse. It is a plan and Democrats are using it. We've seen it used dramatically during the Obama reign.
They want something more dramatic in place than the basic welfare state. Cloward and Piven said that the welfare program was a safety net which would prevent the full on control of the State that they wish to see happen. That is, welfare is not left enough for them because it enables Capitalism to keep going.

Cloward/Piven explained in one sentence

First proposed in 1966 and named after Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, the Cloward-Piven Strategy seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

www.discoverthenetworks.org...

I'm very happy to bring the update that the bill has utterly failed. The food stamp amendments are in large part to blame for this.

In a blow to House GOP leaders, the House on Thursday rejected a five-year farm bill.

Members voted down the $940 billion bill in a 195-234 vote that only won 24 Democratic votes. Most Democrats voted against the bill because it cut food stamp programs by more than $20 billion.

Many Republicans also voted no, but for a different reason. They said it was too expensive a bill to pass when the country has $17 trillion in debt.

In the final vote, 62 Republicans opposed the bill, and with the Democratic defections, that was enough to send it to defeat.

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and a follow on story with this...

Cantor, Hoyer trade blame on farm bill failure

Now the blame game begins. However, we won't be seeing them just hack away at a problem by literally cutting the program which feeds people right now.

Go hack on something else for waste. Like how *EVERY SINGLE* Defense contract and the majority of other Government contracts run over as a routine course of business today in America. 10's of billions ought to be saved there. Instead? They give bonuses all too often for not running over TOO much. :shk:

Neo and Kgnow are 100% correct in their replies for anyone unsure about the reallity facing the FS program.
Obama did nothing about jobs and refuses to cut spending so Congress has no choice but cut waste.

As Neo said...sorry.

Originally posted by Kgnow
I hope the food stamp cut-backs hinder the.... "I don't have to worry about the consequences of sleeping around, the tax payers will be my baby's daddy," mentality that is crippling the soul of our society. Too many women are happily sleeping around without a second thought regarding the integrity of the man.... will he be a good father.... a good provider? Nope, it doesn't matter, just hike up the taxes on the working-class to cover it all.

For how many honest folk you may know on food stamps that are justified for the help they receive,... I know many, many more who are professional baby factories. Just keep popping out the babies because they know it'll get them more "gov'ment cheese", more social program awards, vouchers, and tax breaks.

I want to see the professional baby factories and the "who cares about a father, I got gov'ment cheese" women extremely hindered by this OP.

I'm all for compassion and helping others,.... but the "baby-daddy" mentality is a stench I can not get used to. Not on the dime of those who work their butts off trying to make an honest living.

McDonald's is always hiring.

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Agreed. If you look at other websites, you'll find that that there are numerous reports of people buying prime rib and lobster using their food stamps, not bread, milk, vegetables, soup and fruit (kindof sounds boring after hearing the prime rib and lobster).

From the same website - the number of Americans on food stamps exceeds the entire population of spain.
( theeconomiccollapseblog.com /archives/is-it-fair-for-people-on-food-stamps-to-buy-prime-rib-and-lobster-while-working-families-barely-survive)

And this is from one of the largest continents in the world which is actually reducing the amount of agricultural land, not increasing it despite the increasing population. Much of that land was consumed with the housing boom. Now after those homes were foreclosed and the carpenters went home, they are being left to rot even while people remain homeless. Really makes sense.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I'm very happy to bring the update that the bill has utterly failed. The food stamp amendments are in large part to blame for this.

In a blow to House GOP leaders, the House on Thursday rejected a five-year farm bill.

Members voted down the $940 billion bill in a 195-234 vote that only won 24 Democratic votes. Most Democrats voted against the bill because it cut food stamp programs by more than $20 billion.

Many Republicans also voted no, but for a different reason. They said it was too expensive a bill to pass when the country has $17 trillion in debt.

In the final vote, 62 Republicans opposed the bill, and with the Democratic defections, that was enough to send it to defeat.

Source

and a f

Go hack on something else for waste. Like how *EVERY SINGLE* Defense contract and the majority of other Government contracts run over as a routine course of business today in America. 10's of billions ought to be saved there. Instead? They give bonuses all too often for not running over TOO much. :shk:

edit on 20-6-2013 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

Too bad for your kids and grand kids...
You just stuck them royally with debt that will never be able to pay...right?
Yes, you got flags and stars...but at what cost?

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Not outraged as some people are on food stamps being cut for a few reason.

IF it wasn't rampant with fraud and abuse is one as well is food stamps are an agricultural subsidy, and banking subsidy, and corporate subsidy all rolled in to one.

When EBT cards are being used at stip clubs, and alcohol retailers well I'm just not seeing the 'outrage'

The answer is EBT reform, not reduction. (i.e. you shouldn't be able to buy lobster with an EBT, for example). (and once on benefits, having additional children should invoke a penalty, or risk your status, etc. to discourage the baby factory mentality).

Just how is an EBT card used at a strip club?

I am curious how we justify giving money to other nations when we have to BORROW money? That's like me going to the bank for a loan and then giving my money away...then going back to the bank for more. That is sheer insanity, put like that, isn't it?

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Just how is an EBT card used at a strip club?

Don't see how they could be thought they were actually food but they are lots of articles on the net about it.

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I apologize that you are all overly sensitive, defensive, and have severely misunderstood me.



My reply has nothing to do with conservative/liberal, or white/black, or religious/anti-religious, or favoring the poor or rich.

I have lived in "lower-middle class" and "impoverished" areas my entire life. It wasn't until my adult years that I was able to.... "Moving on up, to the east side. We finally got a piece of the pie."

I have witnessed, with my own eyes and ears, many woman of all colors, who acknowledge to having children simply to gain a "free ride" from social programs, greater government benefits, and higher tax incentives (Child Tax Credit). Women who intentionally allow themselves to get impregnated just to gain the benefits, without ever having a single thought or intention of staying with the father (sperm donor). If you think this doesn't exist, you must have your heads under rocks.

These women exist. They are real. I have witnessed them first-hand.

These women and this type of abuse was the ONLY thing I was talking about.

If you support this type of intentional behavior from these type of women, then please, tell me why you feel so, and explain to me why I should be happy that my taxes are supporting this type of mentality.

As I said, these women are real, and these "professional baby factories" were the only ones I was referring to.



P.S.
Hey HauntWok.... "gov'ment cheese" is slang referring to social programs. First, from the free blocks of government cheese they used to give out in the poor neighborhoods. And then, "cheese" referring to "money." "Gov'ment cheese" today is simply slang for government handouts and social programs.

Originally posted by Carreau
I ask this question in all seriousness. Have we as a population become so cynical of our own government that we argue an all or nothing proposition with a government program. Have we admitted that our leadership is so inept that there is no way to run a competent welfare/support system without mass fraud/waste/abuse.

Is it not possible to have a welfare/food stamp/disability program for the truly deserving (illness, injured, veteran, destitute) and not support the "Trailer Princess and Ghetto Queens"? Are we that far gone? I ask your opinion, because if we are then there really isn't anything more to say or debate.

Not at all. I argue the constitutional authority of the Federal Government to plunder my property (earned income) and then redistribute it to someone else. Welfare/WIC/SNAP et al should be administered and controlled at the individual state level. Who understands the needs or poor people in Portland, Oregon... a centralized federal government 3000 miles away, or the state government of Oregon? I only use Oregon as an example, so feel free to insert and city/state that you want to.

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The states do handle SNAP/WIC/Cash Assistance at the individual level. 5he federal government just allots the funding to each state. The state chooses who gets benefits, how much they get and how long they get them.

This was the first post I read when clicking on ATS today. I rarely get here very often since my kids are out of schools and are hanging on my coattails and let me tell you Lots of judging and prejudice in this thread. Sort of sad, and illustrates how down poor people are looked upon and viewed by the more fortunate people in our society.

So people have a problem with the "baby machines" and such - I guess those babies should just suffer and starve for being born to the trash that is it's mother.. Is that what I'm to understand? Really? Nice. Maybe you'd feel better if she was forced to abort the offensive little mouth to feed, eh? Or should we round up poor people and sterilize them so they can't breed their sort into society anymore? Is that more agreeable?



Cirque

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Did you not read my post a few replies above yours?

There are actually women that intentionally have kids ONLY so they can get food stamps, child tax credit, wic, section-8 housing, reduced utility bills, and a multitude of free vouchers from various programs.

These women who have children solely for the free-ride.... that is who I am talking about.

Are all social program recipients like this? NO!!!!

I am simply attacking this known type of abuse that I have witnessed first-hand. You tell me how this is prejudice or hate. This type of abuse is real.

This is how divide and conquer works and reading the comments in this thread tells me that an old tactic still works very effectively.

The chamber rejected 234-188 a Democratic amendment to the five-year, half-trillion-dollar farm legislation that would have maintained current spending on food stamps, now called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP.

Emphasis is mine....This was a farm bill. What people should be asking is, why is anything that has to do with SNAP even in a farm bill to begin with?

How many times have we seen a whole bill get shot down because of one section in that bill? For Ron Paul supporters- how many times did Ron Paul vote no on a good bill, because of the extra stuff slid into the bill? That is exactly what we have here.

Frankly the bill needs to be stopped. It needs to be gone through and it needs to not be about so many different things. A Farm Bill, should be about farming. You want to adjust or change the food stamp program, then it should be in a welfare bill or a SNAP bill. If we do not do these things, what we get is crap like this... also from the source..

In an effort to push the legislation through, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said last week that he would vote for it, while making it clear that he did not really like it. He said he wants to get the bill to House and Senate negotiators for a potential deal, and that passing the bill was better than doing nothing.

I don't know about you, but I am sick of this "Let's Make a Deal" version of Politics. " Passing it is better than doing nothing"? Is that not the same lame duck excuse we got about the Healthcare Bill aka Obamacare?

Here are the real facts:

A Farm Bill is passed every 5 years.

The 2008 Farm Bill was described as

bloated pork-barrel politics by a plethora of Congress members, both liberals and conservatives, who hail from non-farming communities and states.

What else do we know about Farm Subsidies? Cause after all- this Farm Bill is more about Farm Subsidies and NOT simply food stamps.

Who gets Farm Subsidies?

According to the CATO Institute:

More than 90 percent of agriculture subsidies go to farmers of five crops — wheat, corn, soybeans, rice, and cotton. More than 800,000 farmers and landowners receive subsidies, but the payments are heavily tilted toward the largest producers,"

According to the Environmental Working Group:

From 1995-2009 the largest and wealthiest top 10 percent of farm program recipients received 74 percent of all farm subsidies with an average total payment over 15 years of $445,127 per recipient – hardly a safety net for small struggling farmers. The bottom 80 percent of farmers received an average total payment of just $8,682 per recipient,

The best part about this is, BOTH sides, Republican and Democrat, agree that there are problems with Farm Subsidies.

Liberals call it a "Corporate Giveaway" as per the Environmental Working Group:

"In a time of growing federal budget deficits and increasing populist anger over government spending, it would seem prudent to trim wasteful agriculture programs. Instead Congress – at the behest of the biggest agriculture interests representing just five commodity crops – has constructed a system that ensures profits for the largest growers of corn, cotton, rice, soybeans and wheat. "Despite claims of reform, many of the top subsidy recipients in this update are the same operations we've seen before... The vast majority of farm subsidies go to raw material for our industrialized food system, not the foods we actually eat. Even less money goes to support the production of the fruits and vegetables that are the foundation of a healthy diet... "In 2009, a full 60 percent of farm subsidies flowed to states represented by Senators serving on the Senate Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry... Finally, while this corporate giveaway has gone on unabated, conservation continues to be shortchanged,"

Conservatives call it, "Federal Welfare for Farm Businesses" as described here by the CATO Institute.

"The extensive federal welfare system for farm businesses is costly to taxpayers and it creates distortions in the economy. Subsidies induce farmers to overproduce, which pushes down prices and creates political demands for further subsidies. "Subsidies inflate land prices in rural America. And the flow of subsidies from Washington hinders farmers from innovating, cutting costs, diversifying their land use, and taking the actions needed to prosper in a competitive global economy,"

Want to have an educated opinion on this bill? Learn about Farm Subsidies. That is what this bill was all about- NOT food stamps.

The only question I have is, why is anything related to the SNAP Program even in a Farm Bill to begin with? Shouldn't it be in a Welfare bill? I may not be a genius but I do know that Food Stamps is a form of welfare.

Sorry if this has been brought up, didn't read all the replies.

Maybe what needs a much closer look is how welfare is subsidizing some of the richest people in the country. Does anyone realize that the Waltons (Wal-Mart) is one of the largest recipients of welfare? They encourage underpaid employees to apply for food stamps, medicaid/medicare, ect. while their profits soar. This has become a business model for every large corp. that can justify paying low wages, McDonalds, Target, ect ect ect ect.

Now lets look at the "other" welfare recipients, large Agri-business, because that's what this is all really about.

A confusing clutter of programs that pay farmers not to farm, reward them for undue risk, write checks to rock stars and Rockefellers, give special treatment to certain crops without rationale, and ladle out welfare to the wealthy while ignoring those on the margins.

Source

Originally posted by stormcell


Agreed. If you look at other websites, you'll find that that there are numerous reports of people buying prime rib and lobster using their food stamps, not bread, milk, vegetables, soup and fruit (kindof sounds boring after hearing the prime rib and lobster).

Those welfare degenerates! Buying up real steak to eat. How dare they right? They should be just eating slop and crap in a can. They are on food stamps so how dare they eat decent food!

I'd rather see someone buying prime rib with food stamps, then buy cans of ravioli, cheap frozen pizzas, bags of chips, pop, and candy. I seriously doubt that steak and lobster are all that they buy.

What should be done is to revamp the program to provide food to those that need it ..not money . Set up distribution centers that provide packages of good nutritious food to those that need it. Have balanced healthy food purchased from local providers when possible , No chips and soda .. milk bread carrots etc instead. Put those receiving monetary assistance to work in these distribution centers. This will weed out the abusers and put people to work.

Two billion dollars is chump change compared to the money blown everyday on stupid stuff. Hell the federal reserve lost trillions and don't even know where it went. Next time your staving to death show up at the white house for dinner they got lots of food. Why should they be allowed to dine in luxury and the rest starve? Time to cut them fancy dinners down to rice cakes.

Originally posted by Kgnow
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth

 

Did you not read my post a few replies above yours?

There are actually women that intentionally have kids ONLY so they can get food stamps, child tax credit, wic, section-8 housing, reduced utility bills, and a multitude of free vouchers from various programs.

These women who have children solely for the free-ride.... that is who I am talking about.

Are all social program recipients like this? NO!!!!

I am simply attacking this known type of abuse that I have witnessed first-hand. You tell me how this is prejudice or hate. This type of abuse is real.

That's right, there are always going to be people who abuse the system, but that does not mean all people do it, and we should not punish everyone and categorize them as low lifes who purposefully have children so they can keep living a welfare lifestyle.

I work, I have one child, and I get SNAP. I qualified when the affordable care act went into place and wages dropped from the money being pulled out. Don't blame me, blame Obama for that. I did not ask to have more of my earnings stolen out of my pay check.

I have no desire to have anymore children or try to find a way to screw the system. I'm in college full time as well and I hope when all is said and done I can be off the govt help and on my own again, the way I used to be. I've worked since I was 14 years old and on my own since 18 years old and never had to take a hand out until now.

Stop assuming that all food stamp recipients are these low lifes who just want to live and die on the system. Many of our working poor are on SNAP and I'm one of them.