The pain inflicted upon the American people is above partisanship. It's about FOOD now.

reply to post by Kgnow


Government Cheese?

You obviously know absolutely nothing about what you are trying to talk about.

And no, McDonalds isn't always hiring. It depends on the store.

Also, in order to get any kind of benefits people with children have to have in home inspections done. You don't pass, they not only don't give you any kind of help, but they take your children away and put them in foster care.

reply to post by sonnny1


I can tell you one thing for sure. If there's ever a civil war or revolution in this country there's quite a few numbnuts in power who are going to find out what my 2nd amendment rights are for. I'll be one of the first people to pick up my guns and hand em out to the little guys, after I stock my truck up for myself. I may die but I'm taking at least one of those #ers with me, hopefully quite a few of them dumb cows in power.

reply to post by Kgnow



Amen. I say we shut down all the polygamy ranches and cut off the free food and cash for the second, third, fourth, fifth sixth, seventh and so on sister wives who have been milking the tax payers dry since the founding of this nation. All they do is have hordes of kids for their cult. It's time to shut that whole thing down. Arrest those perverts and put all the children in good Christian homes.


Right? Thats who you were thinking of right? Or were you thinking of poor minorities who actually live among the people and actually try to be apart of America? They only have about three kids on average as opposed to TEN.



Correction. They have been milking the tax payer since government aid was introduced, not since the founding of the nation. I was being sassy.

I see alot of responses from people hating on folks that collect food stamps so far. Let me just say that I get 300 bucks a month in food stamps for my wife and I and if it was not for that we could not eat. I have always worked jobs but I'm on disability now. My little social security check and food stamps are whats keeping us alive right now. I have neuropathy from IL treatments as well as many other side effects of cancer treatments and I'll be not working for a while.

I'm not a "baby-factory" or a "deadbeat bum." I'm a 35 year old army veteran of two wars. I've been a construction worker and a pipeline surveyor. Now I am in a situation where I have to depend on others even though I've been very independent my whole life.

And there is alot of people like me that depend on these programs. Too often I see people regurgitate the sorry notion from Fox news and other TV opinions that its just a bunch of freeloaders and drug abusers that are on food stamps. all I ask is that people keep in mind that there are people like myself that genuinely need these programs.

Welcome to austerity measures, American style. Got to pay for these wars somehow. We can't count on the people in the Middle East to kill themselves. Besides, spying on all these Americans costs a lot of money.

Not to mention 19billion from Veterans...and no doubt they will be cutting their own salaries - which are derived from taxes.
Share the wealth - send 'em all you got (cripe) fundamentally transforming the late great U.S.A.

Originally posted by Panic2k11
reply to post by Bilk22

 

At your age you should have a better idea about the real problem...

I heard the crap you wrote, spewed forth for the last 40 years or so. It hasn't worked out that way has it? Think it's time for a new plan yet?

The plan is to enact the failed promises and work toward uplifting the human condition... It is truly sad that the primary concerns after all this time especially the last 2 millenniums are still the same, security about a minimum of safety be it personal safety; water and food safety or shelter human society was built to address them and it has been an utterly failure in solving them outside of a minority of people that have mostly been of the same class, even family related or have been uplifted by cunning and violence.

The solution is simple as i stated but society has never provided it, even if we seem closer to it, my guess is that it will forever remain a mirage and illusion, and that by design.

By providing good education, promoting good morals and responsibility, empowering parents and access to prophylactics and other family planing setups and laws (from adoption to abortion).

Guaranteeing the minimum to all would make it impossible to have excesses; it would be like promulgating a maximum wage/revenue, end ownership rights or terminate (or extremely limit) inheritances or really start to protect the common good, starting by basic human rights to our planet biosphere...

You seem to be talking on a global scale. Let just try to work on our own problems here in the US and what is being discussed here.

The social safety nets are in place for a reason. That reason isn't there to provide a livelihood and way of life. It's there for those who for one reason or another, find themselves in tough times. It's not meant to be a permanent status for able bodies yet it has become just that.

This person has a realistic view of the programs that have caused generations to fall behind. Link I would just like to add, I don't look at this issue in terms of political affiliation. Members from either party have their agendas that effect this issue.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


But they always have just enough money to fund terrorists in other countries, don't they? While Americans can work their part time jobs, get Obama care taxes pulled out of their checks, and starve.

Almost all of the people in my small town are the working poor. And almost all of them are on food stamps. I truly worry for all who are struggling.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


So you complain about the never ending debt, but are upset at a nationalized social welfare program getting a cut? Here's how I look at it... I used to frequent a 7-11 and at this 7-11 I saw on numerous occasions a line of people out the door and around the corner, then this line went down the side walk probably 1/8 of a mile. This line only appeared on Tuesday and Thursday, which happen to be Mega-Millions Lottery days. This line was of people waiting to buy lotto tickets, but since you can't buy lotto tickets with SNAP cards, there were people walking the line buying SNAP cards off of people for half price. In other words I give you $20... you give me $40 on a SNAP card. I know this because I asked someone what was going on the first time I saw this. Now, how does the person buying the SNAP card verify that the amount is actually on the card? I have no idea, but the pooint is that this happens twice a week at this 7-11. This is just one store... so imagine this happening all over the country. I would be willing to bet that this gross abuse totals more than $2 billion... so cut away... in fact cut MORE

Originally posted by Kgnow
I hope the food stamp cut-backs hinder the.... "I don't have to worry about the consequences of sleeping around, the tax payers will be my baby's daddy," mentality that is crippling the soul of our society. Too many women are happily sleeping around without a second thought regarding the integrity of the man.... will he be a good father.... a good provider? Nope, it doesn't matter, just hike up the taxes on the working-class to cover it all.

For how many honest folk you may know on food stamps that are justified for the help they receive,... I know many, many more who are professional baby factories. Just keep popping out the babies because they know it'll get them more "gov'ment cheese", more social program awards, vouchers, and tax breaks.

I want to see the professional baby factories and the "who cares about a father, I got gov'ment cheese" women extremely hindered by this OP.

I'm all for compassion and helping others,.... but the "baby-daddy" mentality is a stench I can not get used to. Not on the dime of those who work their butts off trying to make an honest living.

McDonald's is always hiring.

edit on 19-6-2013 by Kgnow because: (no reason given)

Don't you understand? Not EVERYONE who is on SNAP is a welfare, sitting around the house making babies mother! We have many many military families, your working poor who JUST got their jobs cut down to part time thanks to obama care who are struggling like hell to make ends meet. Not only were many jobs cut down to PT hours, the taxes for obama care have kicked in and people are missing $$$ out of their pay checks.

This is infuriating to see people stereotype food stamp recipients. And now that they are cutting back more on the SNAP program, we are going to see a lot of people going hungry. As it is, they don't give enough that gets families all the way through the end of the month and kids are going hungry.

I donate my time to a local church. we have a program called "The family table". Every friday we open the kitchen in the church to the public for a free dinner. I see many families showing up. I have had people tell me "Thank God for this, because my food stamps runs out the 3rd week of the month". It's common for people to starve in that last week of the month. And these people have jobs and I know it because I see them. They work in our grocery stores, gas stations, walmart, etc.

reply to post by Cancerwarrior

I have always worked jobs but I'm on disability now. My little social security check and food stamps are whats keeping us alive right now. I have neuropathy from IL treatments as well as many other side effects of cancer treatments and I'll be not working for a while.

I'm not a "baby-factory" or a "deadbeat bum." I'm a 35 year old army veteran of two wars. I've been a construction worker and a pipeline surveyor. Now I am in a situation where I have to depend on others even though I've been very independent my whole life.

I want to personally thank you for contributing to the thread here. It's very easy for folks to post opinions and anecdotal stories from both sides of the matter. It's far less so to admit what you have here when you're a proud man just looking to make it from one month to the next while in hardships which are not of your making or choosing.

As much as people highlight some real cases of abuse that need stopped, I cannot believe the politicians mean to address this with the scalpel of investigation to ferret that out. Their track record and almost exclusive history of examples in these areas suggest a machete to hack away at the program as a whole and just figure that within the cuts, they got some abuse while the rest? 'oh well....collateral damage'.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by jam321

 

Main reason I am no longer a Republican. And from what I see their hatred is only growing.

Really just because a program get's cut mans they 'hate' people ?

Seriously?

People really need to grasp the fact that throwing money at them doesn't mean they care especially when one read stuff like this:

Food stamps and Medicaid make up a large--and growing--chunk of the more than 100 million recipients. "Among the major means tested welfare programs, since 2000 Medicaid has increased from 34 million people to 54 million in 2011 and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, or food stamps) from 17 million to 45 million in 2011," says the Senate Budget Committee. "Spending on food stamps alone is projected to reach $800 billion over the next decade."

www.gopusa.com...

800 billion over the next decade, 45 million Americans on Snap.

What I'm trying to grasp is America sending most all manufacturing work to other countries, leaving people jobless and forced to go back to college and wrack up student loan debt only to graduate and have problems finding work and paying back school loan debt, forever ruining their credit.

I'm trying to grasp why people can't see the exact reason why people are on SNAP to begin with, and the fact that Obama care has hurt people's wages and hours.

Why is it that Americans needs such as food, education, and health care takes a backseat so that the military industry can keep functioning and support given to terrorists and other countries?

The schools in my area are in dire need of repair, children sit in their classes with buckets to catch rain water this past week, roofs cannot be repaired because no one has money to do so.

How many schools shut down in Chicago?

I could go on and on.... but cutting food stamps is NOT the solution to the big gaping wound of a problem we have here.

Every thing else is important other than America and it's people. That is why our nation is such dire straits, and our infrastructure is collapsing around us.

We are spiraling to a revolution, of the French sort.

If you know your history, everyone turned on each other then and it got ugly and headless.

reply to post by Kgnow


Blaming women and children is cowardice. In case you missed the science class, it takes two to make a baby. Instead of making laws to stick probes up women's parts, make a law that men have to wear a condom. That is how stupid this whole attack on women and children is.

Originally posted by Kgnow
I hope the food stamp cut-backs hinder the.... "I don't have to worry about the consequences of sleeping around, the tax payers will be my baby's daddy," mentality that is crippling the soul of our society. Too many women are happily sleeping around without a second thought regarding the integrity of the man.... will he be a good father.... a good provider? Nope, it doesn't matter, just hike up the taxes on the working-class to cover it all.

For how many honest folk you may know on food stamps that are justified for the help they receive,... I know many, many more who are professional baby factories. Just keep popping out the babies because they know it'll get them more "gov'ment cheese", more social program awards, vouchers, and tax breaks.

I want to see the professional baby factories and the "who cares about a father, I got gov'ment cheese" women extremely hindered by this OP.

I'm all for compassion and helping others,.... but the "baby-daddy" mentality is a stench I can not get used to. Not on the dime of those who work their butts off trying to make an honest living.

McDonald's is always hiring.

edit on 19-6-2013 by Kgnow because: (no reason given)

I think you're right ..but to take it a step further ..all these issues begin at the grassroots level, where the govt has effectively crippled MEN by forcing themselves into family affairs using divorce.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again, the so called 'child support system' which has nothing to do with the benefit of the child, and everything to do with corruption and slavery of primarily MEN, separating them from children and families and fueling hatred. They create a cage for fathers, where they can not keep a job, are drained of their finances, credit is destroyed, drivers license/passport is taken .. so what happens?

This is happening to 80% of families in USA and other Western countries, as we speak! .. nobody will talk about this, but this system at the grassroots level is the NUMBER 1 KILLER right now in America, not drugs, accidents, alcohol, diseases, or anything .. it's all because of depression and hopelessness created by this b&@^*hit corrupt child support system. It promotes women being on welfare, and the women think they are bettering themselves by getting free money and leeching off the ex's life.

This is a weapon that is being used by crazy baby mamas to basically get a free ride for at least the next 18 years. This is a strategy .. don't expect these women to work, they know how to use men. The govt fully supports them, and will always destroy men to pay them.

But you will never find MSM talking about this, oh noes! .. All these men could have been effective hard working, contributing individuals, and I believe America in particular is losing out on so much revenue and progress by destroying the livelihood of men at the grassroots family level. I just don't understand why all the men and women who are forced into this 'NAZI child support' system don't rise up together and destroy it once and for all ..

I also don't understand why the president can't see this as a huge social problem and reform the hell out of it.
Give men and women their lives back, stay out of families affairs, and every debt will be paid off .. no worries!

reply to post by junglimogli


You are right no the money. We are slaves to the corporate power structure.
Your post it a little hard to read, maybe some paragraphs?

I ask this question in all seriousness. Have we as a population become so cynical of our own government that we argue an all or nothing proposition with a government program. Have we admitted that our leadership is so inept that there is no way to run a competent welfare/support system without mass fraud/waste/abuse.

Is it not possible to have a welfare/food stamp/disability program for the truly deserving (illness, injured, veteran, destitute) and not support the "Trailer Princess and Ghetto Queens"? Are we that far gone? I ask your opinion, because if we are then there really isn't anything more to say or debate.

Originally posted by Carreau
I ask this question in all seriousness. Have we as a population become so cynical of our own government that we argue an all or nothing proposition with a government program. Have we admitted that our leadership is so inept that there is no way to run a competent welfare/support system without mass fraud/waste/abuse.

Is it not possible to have a welfare/food stamp/disability program for the truly deserving (illness, injured, veteran, destitute) and not support the "Trailer Princess and Ghetto Queens"? Are we that far gone? I ask your opinion, because if we are then there really isn't anything more to say or debate.

Welcome to capitalism ... it's all about money ..and all the corrupt policy makers, politicians, and their crooked cronies have their greedy hands in the money pot! We're all paying the price for living in a money-centric system.

If you think these people have ever worked for your benefit, or even entertained any idea without thinking of how much will go in their pockets first, then sorry, you're out of reality. We are just resources to generate money for them. They use the system to brain wash and intentionally dumb down our kids, so that when we are gone, our kids are ready to be controlled into the same slavery.

The whole system is rotten to the core. It needs to be dismantled..burned down completely, and then re-built.
The truly deserving are the ones suffering the most, because the money is always being directed to non-deserving asswipes who leech off the system. Americans are too gullible, they keep taking this outright abuse and direct interference from the government over and over again. Things will only change when the people truly decide to wake up.

reply to post by Carreau


I dont think there is a real way to control the distribution and use of these ASSISTANCE services, without being downright invasive to everyone NEEDY or not. You would have to send in investigators to every home, make surprise visits to make sure their cabinets are stocked full of food.

You would have to have the financial transactions all in one place so as to see people spending patterns and differentiate the fraudsters.

They would have to tie up the legal system with thousands and thousands of people who forgot to fill a form out, forgot to send proof of income, proof or residency, proof of household composition.

Then and only then could you start to feed the truly needy, weed out the fraudsters, and take the burden off the tax payers.

But it still wouldn't work because then your shifting the financial burden of investigation and prosecution back on the tax payers.

Even if convicted of welfare fraud, the people are so poor now days that it would be like getting blood from a stone.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
As much as people highlight some real cases of abuse that need stopped, I cannot believe the politicians mean to address this with the scalpel of investigation to ferret that out. Their track record and almost exclusive history of examples in these areas suggest a machete to hack away at the program as a whole and just figure that within the cuts, they got some abuse while the rest? 'oh well....collateral damage'.

Americans have consistently voted against free universal healthcare and any increase in welfare payments or minimum wages.

Americans have consistently rejected such policies as 'socialist', claiming they will result in the destruction of everything which has made the USA what she is today.

Americans have consistently mocked European nations where these benefits—and others like them—are taken for granted.

Conclusion: Americans got what they wanted. I suggest your view represents a very small minority.