The pain inflicted upon the American people is above partisanship. It's about FOOD now.

Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

the GOP have become cold hearted trolls

Main reason I am no longer a Republican. And from what I see their hatred is only growing.

As far as the food stamps, I agree the program needs revamping. However, this is not the time to slash benefits. People are hurting and the idiots in DC have no clue how much.

Peace

the republicans want the American people to be poor, uneducated, and powerless...all their state and federal legislative actions point in that direction...don't listen to what they say, go out and find the legislation they have signed into law in state after state and in the house of representatives. they represent the wealthy and their interests only.

reply to post by jimmyx


Provide proof of that stupid statement you political troll.

reply to post by Carreau


Why is the stock market dying and hanging on every word of Bernanke? Why can't they practice what they preach and stand on their own?

Originally posted by Maluhia
reply to post by MsAphrodite

 

You hit the nail on the head. That's all that matters in business today. And the thirst for those profits has led to a lot of unethical and criminal behavior, to the detriment of our economy.

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I have the grill if you have the spices!

reply to post by MOMof3


Simple on that. Interest rates. The ONLY thing that has kept the US Titanic from going down has been near 0 levels of interest rates where it matters most. So...17 trillion in debt has been....manageable on the spreadsheets. The near 1/4 trillion in interest due each year and projected to exceed a half trillion on interest alone within 4 years...hasn't been fatal. At least not on paper.

When interest rates rise back to even standard 1990's levels? That interest explodes like a nuclear warhead and our economy goes with it. That's the ugly and dark truth people like him have busted their butts to keep off the front pages for many years now. If that were fully understood for how the pure math of this situation sits? No one would have any faith left in this economy. When perceptions crash, so does the currency.............and as the World Reserve currency? (Or one of them) Well, the rest should be self explanatory.

So, what a dandy time to cut food support eh? Just in time for the REAL crash that 2007 was just a preview for.

I'm getting into this thread late, so I'll keep it short, because most of what I want to say has already been said.



that is all.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


How's that "working within the system" working out for you, Wrabbit?

I told you, there IS NO political solution to the mess humanity has made for itself.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Is that how capitalism is suppose to work? I am confused.

Originally posted by hounddoghowlie
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

another thing you forgot to mention is the enormous amount of money that we give to other nations, or the UN.
keep that money at home and take care of our own. then and only then help other nations.

here is a article that shows how much we give away.

U.S. foreign aid escapes slashing cuts in fiscal 2012

this has to stop.

here is a more recent foreign aid budget.
State and USAID - FY 2013 Budget

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It can't stop, after all how would politicians get money into offshore accounts without the citizens finding out? Say Egypt or Israel needs a billion or five, politicians can then act like salesman, get their 10 to 20% commission dropped into an offshore. There you go, politicians and country of choice can be all warm and fuzzy.

Cheers

Dave

reply to post by seamus


I'll come back to what I've said before. If you don't want to work within the system, what is your solution? No generic and open ended references to revolution now. Lets be specific and realistic here. Who needs to die, in what order and which will you personally be shooting? What was their crime and what caused them to deserve to die?

I see only two options. No third. Work within the system, which includes civil disobedience and protest to bring about change TO that system, or work OUTSIDE the system. The only means outside the system that will ever do anything whatsoever is armed insurrection ...about which I've written a long thread specifically and noting the pure no-win insanity of it in the United States.

So, hows it working out for me? Well, it sucks....except for the other option, which is worse.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
HOUSE VOTES TO CUT FOOD STAMPS BY $2 BILLION

So reads the headline on this story and so I'm outraged by it. How dare these little rodents in the GOP even pretend to speak for anyone in the average level of society right now. How dare they even try! I've got a list as long as my arm of what the OTHER side has done to hurt our great nation but it's not a Right/Left thing and this shows it as clear as anything.

Because they want the government to fail and will do anything to ensure that it does. Libertarianism = Feudalism.

Well, you know what poor & hungry do when they're hungry? The same thing any other animal does when it is hungry. Their instinct to survive takes over and if that means forcibly taking from others - than so be it.

If this cut passes (which it won't) - expect to see crime rates shoot through the roof.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


Oh I agree, let's start with cutting Egypt, where potus has enabled the muslim brotherhood which obviously hates the US. Why are we giving aid to people who hate us? It's not going to make them love us somehow, only disprespect us more, and It was done in the first place to bribe them into non-aggression toward Israel, but I somehow doubt they will honor that now even with the bribe money.
Here's the thing, it is sad and unfortunate that the Democrats are using welfare to get votes, but they are creating the very mechanisms by which we are losing jobs in the States. Food stamps is the band aid. The GOP In an effort to control the budget and remove the carrot for illegals and such, are just taking off the bandaid. Why won't any of them address the real issues? Why do we have a "gang of eight" now enabling the mechanism further with a bill that will give millions more illegals amnesty and take away jobs from legal Americans? I'm disappointed that Rubio has now caved to the globalist agenda. What a pity.

Originally posted by Kgnow
I hope the food stamp cut-backs hinder the.... "I don't have to worry about the consequences of sleeping around, the tax payers will be my baby's daddy," mentality that is crippling the soul of our society. Too many women are happily sleeping around without a second thought regarding the integrity of the man.... will he be a good father.... a good provider? Nope, it doesn't matter, just hike up the taxes on the working-class to cover it all.

For how many honest folk you may know on food stamps that are justified for the help they receive,... I know many, many more who are professional baby factories. Just keep popping out the babies because they know it'll get them more "gov'ment cheese", more social program awards, vouchers, and tax breaks.

I want to see the professional baby factories and the "who cares about a father, I got gov'ment cheese" women extremely hindered by this OP.

I'm all for compassion and helping others,.... but the "baby-daddy" mentality is a stench I can not get used to. Not on the dime of those who work their butts off trying to make an honest living.

McDonald's is always hiring.

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How do you feel about the billions handed to rich pompous leaders of foreign countries while their people starve?

As long as the public tax money is flowing out of the country to arms and dirty deals I can't see why we all should not be on welfare! All of our mortgages should have been paid off with the plastic sacks of cash that was handed to Afghanistan our country could afford WITH OUR OWN TAXES to make us all wealthy! They don't want that.

For more than a decade, wads of American dollars packed into suitcases, backpacks and, on occasion, plastic shopping bags have been dropped off every month or so at the offices of Afghanistan’s president — courtesy of the Central Intelligence Agency.

www.nytimes.com...

reply to post by jimmyx

the republicans want the American people to be poor, uneducated, and powerless...all their state and federal legislative actions point in that direction...don't listen to what they say, go out and find the legislation they have signed into law in state after state and in the house of representatives. they represent the wealthy and their interests only.

There is also a correlation between a person's education and the way they vote. The trend is that if a person is less educated the more likely they will vote Republican.

www.nytimes.com...

The GOP wants people stupid enough to think that the GOP will work for them. So they vote continuously to slash education even at the state level.

If your stupid enough, you can have all the guns you want, it won't matter cause you won't be educated enough to not shoot yourself.



And it's also true that the less educated you are, the more likely it is, that you don't like Obama.


(I don't know what they were planning to do with the sheep riding on the front of that ATV, and I don't want to know)

Republicans want you to be uneducated. The less educated you are, the less competition there is for the select elite people who really control the economy. They want to do away with any kind of education funding because that's equates to less competition for their offspring to continue legacies down the road. Eventually leading to a aristocrat oligarch state.

A core group of wealthy elite running the show, while the masses of uneducated unwashed idiots are too angry at what they are told to be angry at to realize what's really going on. Furrowing their brows in a vein attempt to understand the situation.

Let's look at this thing a bit more objectively, and even a bit more spiritually.

David Harsanyi’s new book, Obama’s Four Horsemen: The Disasters Unleashed by Obama’s Reelection is out today.

He’s using the apocalyptic metaphor to describe a very serious paradigm shift covering the eight years of Obama, coupled with the rapid approach of unsustainable government disasters set in motion long before Barack Hussein Obama was born

Not only have the ocean of regulatory thumbscrews and ObamaCare bear traps pouring out of this Administration weakened the economy directly, but they have shifted the attitudes of the American people, just as the Great Society previously destroyed the sectors of the population they were supposed to help. It’s not just that Obama is a fountain of bad ideas. An equally great danger – Famine and Conquest riding hard alongside their brother Horsemen of the Apocalypse – is that the “Overton window” of political possibility has shifted so far to the Left that the right ideas are virtually unthinkable. The people who should be championing them, Republicans, are nervously eyeballing public opinion polls and calculating how many principles they’ll surrender in order to remain electorally viable.

Where are the great champions of economic liberty and capitalism? Who’s out there demanding pro-growth tax cuts, regulatory form, and the end of the absurd nightmare known as ObamaCare – which will inflict dozens of times more bloat to the deficit than the allegedly grim “austerity” of sequestration will save, all by itself?

www.redstate.com...

As many Christians know, but I will mention since there are many atheists and seculars here, Famine is one of the riders of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

The others are War, Pestilence, and Death.
According to the author of "The Astrology of The Four Horsemen", Elizabeth Clare Prophet, the various Horsemen can touch down on society at any given time, not just one at a time, but sometimes several at a time, and this can occur alongside various astrological elements.
books.google.com... tsiJqIysbMTuBcMk55-fk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eEnDUcrhN-eQigLdiIDAAg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA

We've had a lot of wars haven't we? Did this potus stop the Horseman of War? No, he did not. Did he stop poverty, no he did not, more people than ever are on food stamps, not just due to his policies, but policies which have been set in motion decades ago. The cause is NOT Capitalism, as many communists try to assert, and I've seen it done here ad nauseum.
The cause is much deeper. Socialism tries to use Big Government to solve the tricky issues of personal and planetary karma. The proponents say, if we just tax the heck out of those evil rich people, we will have enough money for ( fill in the blank with x, y, and z).
But this is not the case, and it never will be.
Politicians in our government today often use these issues as a way to get or stay elected, by giving people stuff from the public till. This is wholly aggregious and needs to be brought back under control.
This is why the Tea Party is for llimited government, but the Tea Party has been vilified by those who want Big Government and more control over our lives in a most Orwellian manner, as we see with the spying on Americans by NSA.
We all have personal karma we must work out for our soul's growth and development. Nations have karma as well.
Karmically speaking, abortion is one of the most aggregious things a nation can do to itself by enabling this type of karma.
This is why it is a most horrible thing that this Potus has decided to try and force Catholics to support abortion and contraception against their own beliefs. We will see devastation from all this.
Anyone see the headlines yesterday on how Potus has declared that religious schools should be closed? He is waging war against Christians everywhere.
He does not want the pesky Catholics and Christians to oppose his wrongdoing.

LOL - "I KNOW people on these programs and it's all that gets them one month to the next right now" ...Key words "right now" but literal translation: "Perminently" because PEOPLE NEED TO GET THEIR EFFING FOOD THROUGH THEIR OWN EFFING EFFORT. Screw the GOP, yes, mostly screw the DEMS and libs and all of you groups of cardboard cutout losers waiting for your King to throw his scraps to you. Screw all that can't CHANGE THEIR GD SITUATION and get their food. It can be done, there IS opportunity EVERYWHERE, period.

reply to post by HauntWok


I have yet to meet a Republican opposite to be as 'smart' as they like to think they are.

That is a fact that can be taken to any fiat currency bank.

reply to post by HauntWok

The GOP wants people stupid enough to think that the GOP will work for them

mkay, we will see about that when Bill Gates has controlled education with his 5 billion dollars worth of bribery of the PTA and the National Governor's Association, as well as Obama's 4 billion dollars worth of Stimulus(read taxpayer dollars) has been pumped into the education system to nationalize (read: socialize) education, and indoctrinate hundreds of millions of innocent children into the dastardly agendas of the left.

I am amazed at how, even after decades of control by the teacher's unions and Democrat money and control, people like you are blaming Republicans for the sorry state of our educational system.
I can take apart your entire statement with information about socialism and statism and union control born of the communist party. Lest you think I am letting Repubs off the hook, no sirree, because members of Skull and Bones which contain both parties enabled the John Dewey version of education which is that the State is supreme and children exist for the state. The very thing you are talking about is the mentality of Statists who believe that they have a right to mold the children into little automatons for the State.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Funny that before Carter and the Department Education, and a group of people who aren't GOP thinks 'education' is just how many billions are thrown at them will somehow make them smarter.

Before that we put men on the moon and since that all we hear is where is my foodstamps.