I Converted A Catholic To Atheism

reply to post by LesMisanthrope

This is of great interest to me too. We must ask: with such a shift in perspective, what in us actually changes? So far the only difference I can see is the literature we subscribe to.

Stimulating as always, LesMis! Good to see you've rejoined the discussion.

What in us actually changes? How we approach understanding, how we approach life, and how we approach ourselves. Understanding becomes based on investigation rather than faith, life becomes a process of trial and error that teaches comprehensive appreciation (amongst other things), and we ourselves become something less than a...machine. As I see it, the current religious ideals are aimed at mechanizing our society. We become more machine than human. Shiny, smooth, and invulnerable.

Originally posted by colbe
These anti-Catholic, anti-God threads are pathetic.

It is so sad, is everyone wrong? The witness of 2000 years about the truth of who God is and of Our Lord, Second person of the Blessed Trinity came down to be one of us, to save humanity.

You have millions of testimonies. All those people are nuts, they're liars? What of famous scientists who have great faith, they're liars, wrong but right on their inventions and help to humanity?

How about the testimony of people who have died and come back, there's some modern proof.

How can you go on another hour without God? Praaaaaayyy! Begin today, speak to God from your heart, you have started a daily prayer life, even 5 minutes a day. God loves you more than any human person on this earth.

+ + +

....A proud university student boarded a train in France and sat next to an older man who seemed to be a peasant of comfortable means. The brash student noticed that the older gentleman was slipping beads through his fingers. He was praying the rosary.

"Sir, do you still believe in such outdated things?" the student inquired.
"Yes, I do. Don't you?" the man responded. The student laughed and admitted, "I do not believe in such silly things. Take my advice. Throw the rosary out the window and learn what science has to say about it."

"Science? I do not understand this science. Perhaps you can explain it to me," the man said humbly, tears welling in his eyes.

The university student noticed that the man was deeply moved. To avoid hurting the older person's feelings, he said, "Please give me your address and I will send you some literature to explain the matter to you."

The man fumbled in the inside pocket of his coat and pulled out his business card. On reading the card, the student lowered his head in shame and was speechless. The card read: "Louis Pasteur, Director of the Institute of Scientific Research, Paris." The student had encountered his country's leading chemist and the man who would give the world the scientific process that would bear his name--pasturization.

www.pattimaguirearmstrong.com...

Would someone please comment about the story about Louis Pasteur at least? Do you see, God leads men to wonderful discoveries when they believe in Him.

My asking atheists to pray is serious, don't you want to go to Heaven? You can't get into Heaven rejecting
God. What is so hard about speaking to Him tonight before you fall asleep? Ask God to help you believe
in Him.


love to you all,


colbe

reply to post by colbe


Why is God a Him? long before the Gods were made male people worshipped female gods, then man destroyed them to make a more war like god like we see today. Because with war like gods you can scare others easier and make up a place called Hell where all the naughty children go.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by LesMisanthrope

 

This is of great interest to me too. We must ask: with such a shift in perspective, what in us actually changes? So far the only difference I can see is the literature we subscribe to.

Stimulating as always, LesMis! Good to see you've rejoined the discussion.

What in us actually changes? How we approach understanding, how we approach life, and how we approach ourselves. Understanding becomes based on investigation rather than faith, life becomes a process of trial and error that teaches comprehensive appreciation (amongst other things), and we ourselves become something less than a...machine. As I see it, the current religious ideals are aimed at mechanizing our society. We become more machine than human. Shiny, smooth, and invulnerable.

What a crock, personal opinion, keep telling everyone, it is all about you right up until your personal judgment AI.

Oooh, that's a good one "religious ideals" are no good, they're about "mechanizing society." LOL, virtue
makes you "more machine than human." And then the last three words...roll on the floor laughing.

reply to post by colbe

It is so sad, is everyone wrong? The witness of 2000 years about the truth of who God is and of Our Lord, Second person of the Blessed Trinity came down to be one of us, to save humanity. You have millions of testimonies. All those people are nuts, they're liars? What of famous scientists who have great faith, they're liars, wrong but right on their inventions and help to humanity?

Colbe, you ask if everyone is wrong. Well, are YOU stating that two billion Muslims are wrong? Can ya see how numbers don't prove a damn thing except that more people are willing to be sheep instead of free-logical-thinkers.

How about the testimony of people who have died and come back, there's some modern proof.

Do ya think some muslims have died and experienced their version of heaven and came back? Do ya think some atheists have died and experienced nothing and came back?

The card read: "Louis Pasteur, Director of the Institute of Scientific Research, Paris.

This only proves that past men that were endowed with higher critical thinking were not immune to the brainwashing of religion.

Well we proved that your Saint Pio was a fraud, and we're still waiting for one amputee to have his lost limb miraculously restored.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by colbe

 

Why is God a Him? long before the Gods were made male people worshipped female gods, then man destroyed them to make a more war like god like we see today. Because with war like gods you can scare others easier and make up a place called Hell where all the naughty children go.

Thank you for asking, God the Father is "spirit" and He presents Himself as male. Someone to watch over
you, yes? Boymonkey, if you had a terrible relationship with your father, you can run to God the Father.

We are all "prodigal sons" in one way or another.


love,

colbe

Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by colbe

 

It is so sad, is everyone wrong? The witness of 2000 years about the truth of who God is and of Our Lord, Second person of the Blessed Trinity came down to be one of us, to save humanity. You have millions of testimonies. All those people are nuts, they're liars? What of famous scientists who have great faith, they're liars, wrong but right on their inventions and help to humanity?

Colbe, you ask if everyone is wrong. Well, are YOU stating that two billion Muslims are wrong? Can ya see how numbers don't prove a damn thing except that more people are willing to be sheep instead of free-logical-thinkers.

How about the testimony of people who have died and come back, there's some modern proof.

Do ya think some muslims have died and experienced their version of heaven and came back? Do ya think some atheists have died and experienced nothing and came back?

The card read: "Louis Pasteur, Director of the Institute of Scientific Research, Paris.

This only proves that past men that were endowed with higher critical thinking were not immune to the brainwashing of religion.

Well we proved that your Saint Pio was a fraud, and we're still waiting for one amputee to have his lost limb miraculously restored.

jigger,

You misstate, the "everyone" if you read further are Christians, Catholics in particular.

Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by colbe

 

It is so sad, is everyone wrong? The witness of 2000 years about the truth of who God is and of Our Lord, Second person of the Blessed Trinity came down to be one of us, to save humanity. You have millions of testimonies. All those people are nuts, they're liars? What of famous scientists who have great faith, they're liars, wrong but right on their inventions and help to humanity?

Colbe, you ask if everyone is wrong. Well, are YOU stating that two billion Muslims are wrong? Can ya see how numbers don't prove a damn thing except that more people are willing to be sheep instead of free-logical-thinkers.

How about the testimony of people who have died and come back, there's some modern proof.

Do ya think some muslims have died and experienced their version of heaven and came back? Do ya think some atheists have died and experienced nothing and came back?

The card read: "Louis Pasteur, Director of the Institute of Scientific Research, Paris.

This only proves that past men that were endowed with higher critical thinking were not immune to the brainwashing of religion.

Well we proved that your Saint Pio was a fraud, and we're still waiting for one amputee to have his lost limb miraculously restored.

jigger, I don't want to take the time to underline...

On Islam, do you read/hear the news? The horror going on in their countries and countries they are trying to overrun. There is no good come from Islam, it is from Satan. Oh how the deceived less than radical Muslims will convert, rejoice at the time of the "illumination of conscience." God's divine gift to the world.

Who is "we?" Oh right, anti-Catholics and atheists/agnostics. You just showed, brought up proof of my point, all the testimonies, thousands to the miracles of St. Pio while he was alive and now that Pio is in Heaven. He died
in 1968, a modern saint. Science, your God, has tested Pio's stigmata numerous times. They can't explain
his wounds for fifty years. They are the wounds of Christ, God, hoping you will believe.
times.

Oops, I didn't preview my comment to you jigger, take out the last word...times.

Originally posted by colbe
These anti-Catholic, anti-God threads are pathetic.

It is so sad, is everyone wrong? The witness of 2000 years about the truth of who God is and of Our Lord, Second person of the Blessed Trinity came down to be one of us, to save humanity.

You have millions of testimonies. All those people are nuts, they're liars? What of famous scientists who have great faith, they're liars, wrong but right on their inventions and help to humanity?

How about the testimony of people who have died and come back, there's some modern proof.

How can you go on another hour without God? Praaaaaayyy! Begin today, speak to God from your heart, you have started a daily prayer life, even 5 minutes a day. God loves you more than any human person on this earth.

+ + +

....A proud university student boarded a train in France and sat next to an older man who seemed to be a peasant of comfortable means. The brash student noticed that the older gentleman was slipping beads through his fingers. He was praying the rosary.

"Sir, do you still believe in such outdated things?" the student inquired.
"Yes, I do. Don't you?" the man responded. The student laughed and admitted, "I do not believe in such silly things. Take my advice. Throw the rosary out the window and learn what science has to say about it."

"Science? I do not understand this science. Perhaps you can explain it to me," the man said humbly, tears welling in his eyes.

The university student noticed that the man was deeply moved. To avoid hurting the older person's feelings, he said, "Please give me your address and I will send you some literature to explain the matter to you."

The man fumbled in the inside pocket of his coat and pulled out his business card. On reading the card, the student lowered his head in shame and was speechless. The card read: "Louis Pasteur, Director of the Institute of Scientific Research, Paris." The student had encountered his country's leading chemist and the man who would give the world the scientific process that would bear his name--pasturization.

www.pattimaguirearmstrong.com...

jigger,

Would you reply concerning Louis Pasteur praying the rosary? Do you know, ANYONE can pray the
rosary, you do not have to be Catholic. You mainly repeat 3 prayers as you contemplate Our Lord's life.
Mary was there less two major happenings in Jesus' life. You can pray the rosary when you walk or drive.

It is Mary's prayer, the Blessed Trinity has given her all graces to dispense. There is much grace given
with the rosary.

Why don't you start praying it each day, start with a decade instead of the 5.


love,


colbe

reply to post by colbe

jigger, You misstate, the "everyone" if you read further are Christians, Catholics in particular.

Colbe, you need to stop dodging! You are NOT stupid and neither is anyone else here, so we can readily see how you avoid the content and intent of the replies to you.

When you wrote: "It is so sad, is everyone wrong? you were claiming that because there are so many Christians then they can't be wrong. And since you claim that christianity can't be wrong, then by default you are claiming that billions of Muslims are wrong. Can you see how the popularity of a thing can never be considered proof?

reply to post by AfterInfinity

If you check the posts that my responses are linked to you will see exactly what I am responding to.

Hell! I was only asking you for a little clarity!

Why are you so damn upset with me?

And enough people believe otherwise to make a difference.

Okay... Would you like a star for that?

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by colbe

On Islam, do you read/hear the news? The horror going on in their countries and countries they are trying to overrun. There is no good come from Islam, it is from Satan. Oh how the deceived less than radical Muslims will convert, rejoice at the time of the "illumination of conscience." God's divine gift to the world.

A. What does this have to do with your false belief that many believers in christianity means proof that christianity is right and true?

B. Do you not know the history of your own religion? The early christian crusades were just as brutal and ignorant. Yet, you claim Islam is from Satan, but not your religion. No sirree!

reply to post by jiggerj


jigger... obviously, GOD commanded the crusades. Obviously.

reply to post by colbe

jigger, Would you reply concerning Louis Pasteur praying the rosary? Do you know, ANYONE can pray the rosary, you do not have to be Catholic. You mainly repeat 3 prayers as you contemplate Our Lord's life. Mary was there less two major happenings in Jesus' life. You can pray the rosary when you walk or drive. It is Mary's prayer, the Blessed Trinity has given her all graces to dispense. There is much grace given with the rosary. Why don't you start praying it each day, start with a decade instead of the 5. love, colbe

Dodge.

second line

Originally posted by HarryTZ
reply to post by jiggerj

 

jigger... obviously, GOD commanded the crusades. Obviously.

Quite true, but let's be specific: The Christian crusades.

reply to post by wildtimes

Erm....Milt, right?

Where should his angst be directed? Please?

If God has never existed, "He" is MOST certainly A FICTIONAL CREATION of Man, or, of "Aliens". My "target of blame" would be Mankind. How about you?

See ya,
Milt

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by HarryTZ
reply to post by jiggerj

 

jigger... obviously, GOD commanded the crusades. Obviously.

Quite true, but let's be specific: The Christian crusades.

Yes yes to be sure. And every other conflict in every other so-called 'religion'... that's all on Satan.

Originally posted by HarryTZ
reply to post by jiggerj

 

jigger... obviously, GOD commanded the crusades. Obviously.

No, Pope Urban did in 1095 proclaiming "Heed the words of God, my children, you knights and men of prowess, hear the cries of your brethren (the christian) to the Eastern lands, dying beneath the heel of the ungodly, (the Turks)" . It wasnt Urban said "God wills it", or "Deus le veult!" it was the Knights themselves "The Order of the Rebirth of Sion" called to an audience by and for the Popes visit to Clermont, county of Champagne, France.

Originally posted by colbe

It is so sad, is everyone wrong? The witness of 2000 years about the truth of who God is and of Our Lord, Second person of the Blessed Trinity came down to be one of us, to save humanity.

You have millions of testimonies. All those people are nuts, they're liars? What of famous scientists who have great faith, they're liars, wrong but right on their inventions and help to humanity?

The millions of testimonies are not about "the truth of who God is", but rather the depth of faith in the Christian teachings and the experiences in life which align with these strong convictions.

The testimonies confirm a shared perception of God, they do not reveal God in or of Himself.