The Zimmerman Trial

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
One thing that bothers me... If Trayvon hit Zimmerman repeatedly, why was there no blood found on his hands?

It's been established that Martin was on top and hammered Zimmerman. There was no blood on Martins hands and, even though it was raining and washed away a lot of the other evidence, Martins hands were protected under his body so if there had been blood on them, it would have stayed there.

I havent' ever gotten into a fist fight so I don't know if you can break someone else's nose and not get blood on yourself. I suppose you could ... but I just don't know.

There would be no reason for Martin to have blood on his hands from the back of the head wounds. That blood would be on he cement but it was raining so it washed away.

But the blood from the nose break? I just don't know how that would work ....

I have been in more fights than I can care to count, but I can tell you this...

Not every broken nose leaves massive amounts of blood. You will bleed, but not always bleed profusely. There are many factors that come into play. Drinking, medications, etc can thin the blood which could cause you to bleed more.

A few things that have struck me....

Zimmerman was on Trayvon's back and extended his (Trayvon's) hands out to the side. So how did Trayvon get his hands back under him? like we have seen in some photos? If I understand correctly both lungs had collapsed from the gun shot so wouldn't he have died relatively quickly?

How did Trayvon cover Zimmerman's nose and mouth with his hands, but still continue to pummel him?

How could have have reached for Zimmerman's gun while covering his mouth and nose with his hands?

How did so many witnesses hear so much, but no one has heard the words "You're gonna die tonight"?

Why is someone who is walking in the rain and not appearing to be in any hurry "suspicious"?

If Zimmerman was looking for an address, why didn't he just go back to his vehicle where it was parked in front of a house that had an address that was easily seen?

How is it possible that Zimmerman had no clue what street he was on in a neighborhood he was watching that was a total of 3 streets?

When he walked past the T, was he looking for a house number or a street sign? For some reason I think he has said both at different times.

Why is Zimmerman referring to Trayvon as a "suspect" in his original statements to police?

Why is the prosecution focusing so much on the fight itself when the real case is in what happened in the lead up to the fight?

Anyone else notice how the defense lawyers seem so much more likeable than the bald headed prosecutor who comes off as kind of a slimy used car salesman?

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by hounddoghowlie

 

Is "keyboard warrior" not a term you are familiar with? Teens have been bs'ing since the dawn of language, and without independent confirmatory evidence you should never totally believe everything they say. Anyone can smack-talk on the internet, and teenage boys are among the most common participants.

You just made the perfect argument about why NSA shouldn't be spying on us. If these texts are to be held unaccounted for then everyone should have a free pass to say anything and never have to own up to, therefor NSA is a redundant waste of money and energy

reply to post by MrWendal


Your questions are running around in my head, as well. I hope the jury is noting all of this.

And Zimmerman didn't know Martin was dead? Wasn't he at the scene when Martin was pronounced dead?

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Sorry I have so many questions... But I read this on the blog and I wanted to know if you heard this in pre-trial press or in the trial (I have not heard this anywhere):

GZ did say "AFTER" the shot he did get up and TM body moved and he did get on top of him while TM on his stomach and thought he was restraining him.

Zimmerman claims that after the shooting he got on the back of Trayvon Martin and moved his hands out to his side (extended) and held him by his hands/arms in that position. Like a cross. He was not able to recall exactly how they got in that position, if Trayvon rolled or if Zimmerman moved him, but that he did hold his arms out to the side.

Which makes me wonder how Trayvon was found with his hands underneath him at his chest.

reply to post by MrWendal


I already asked that question a few pages ago. HERE

Very suspicious...

Who's the real thug in these pictures?

George Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin

Too bad some of you seemed to be confused with this:
and this

reply to post by IvanAstikov


as with this post and the last where you said "keyboard warrior" you keep pulling bs out of your____.
as far as i'm concerned i'm done with you.

when you want to talk with out trying to pull bs out of thin air. or using the mma argument,i might continue on but until then. he was not a trained fighter you know it and just will not admit it.

like you said to flyer "Stop saying that" you have no proof that GM was any good at the training he was given, and iirc you or some one said his traner said he was soft and not very good. i'm not going to search through 80 pages to find, so i could be wrong.


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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by MrWendal

 

Your questions are running around in my head, as well. I hope the jury is noting all of this.

And Zimmerman didn't know Martin was dead? Wasn't he at the scene when Martin was pronounced dead?

The police had already secured him. He would have been either in the police car handcuffed at that time or on his way to the station. He wasn’t present when they pronounced him dead where he could have heard.

If George Zimmerman thought that, as a Catholic, it was wrong to kill someone, then why did he shoot him in the chest instead of fighting him off? I believe Zimmerman was manipulating from the very beginning.

reply to post by MrWendal


His story doesn't seem to add up to me for many of the reasons you question. The main thing my husband and I were asking about was why the heck would he have to search around for a street sign in the complex that he LIVES in?

Also, he mentions in the police recording that the dispatcher asked if he was following Trayvon, but he said something like "I dont know...I dont know where he went." Would that have been the same moment on the 911 tape where the dispatcher asked if he was following and he said yes and was then told that they dont need him to do that?

Originally posted by MrWendal

Anyone else notice how the defense lawyers seem so much more likeable than the bald headed prosecutor who comes off as kind of a slimy used car salesman?

Yes. I thought I was the only one.

for your other questions about the street signs and addresses. you have to remember it was dark, and it was raining. you can drive around in that complex for a while and since everything sort of looks the same at first glance i'd probably take a look at the street signs too to make sure. its the only reason I could think of to why he would need to check the name of the street.

reply to post by Benoit84

His story doesn't seem to add up to me for many of the reasons you question. The main thing my husband and I were asking about was why the heck would he have to search around for a street sign in the complex that he LIVES in?

He didn’t live in the town home complex he lived in a neighborhood with houses where TM was walking through looking in windows.

Even one of the cops responding went the wrong way because he wasn't familiar and everything looked the same.

Also, he mentions in the police recording that the dispatcher asked if he was following Trayvon, but he said something like "I dont know...I dont know where he went." Would that have been the same moment on the 911 tape where the dispatcher asked if he was following and he said yes and was then told that they dont need him to do that?

No it was not the same time. You have your timeline mixed up.

reply to post by MrWendal


Maybe he didn't die instantly. Even a kill shot to the left ventricle could take ten long seconds to die. Not talking tough but I have a degree in nursing science and I've seen deer run a1/8th of a mile after having their heart shot by rifles so I feel pretty comfortable saying its worth considering. Maybe his brainstem had enough to control of the nerves to make the hands react It is not implausible is it

reply to post by hounddoghowlie

I'm saying that neither of us know George's fighting capabilities for certain and that it'd be helpful in deciding his truthfulness to know how proficient he was. He doesn't have to achieved competition level abilities from his training to be able to handle a 17 yr old who he outweighed by 40lb.

Originally posted by ugie1028

Originally posted by MrWendal

Anyone else notice how the defense lawyers seem so much more likeable than the bald headed prosecutor who comes off as kind of a slimy used car salesman?

Yes. I thought I was the only one.

for your other questions about the street signs and addresses. you have to remember it was dark, and it was raining. you can drive around in that complex for a while and since everything sort of looks the same at first glance

Yet, you'll likely ignore that as an excuse for why Trayvon was looking around at houses wondering exactly where he was, I'll bet.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
If George Zimmerman thought that, as a Catholic, it was wrong to kill someone, then why did he shoot him in the chest instead of fighting him off? I believe Zimmerman was manipulating from the very beginning.

Interesting point.

On that note, I think Zimmerman should ask for his money back from his "MMA Training" that he was doing 3 times a week. Clearly it was not working out well if a 17 year old was so easily able to take him down and beat him stupid.

Also on that note.... I keep thinking back to John Good's testimony. He never saw Zimmerman's head being repeatedly banged into the cement as Zimmerman claims. I have to wonder if it is possible that those cuts were caused simply from being on his back and rubbing against the concrete or being cut by something on the ground rather than having it beaten into the concrete?

reply to post by IvanAstikov


well looking through or at houses and looking at street signs mean exactly the same thing in your world right?

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


This may be true. And GZ might be guilty of manslaughter. But Murder, I'm not so sure. And I can't see how anyone can be sure as of now

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by ugie1028

Originally posted by MrWendal

Anyone else notice how the defense lawyers seem so much more likeable than the bald headed prosecutor who comes off as kind of a slimy used car salesman?

Yes. I thought I was the only one.

for your other questions about the street signs and addresses. you have to remember it was dark, and it was raining. you can drive around in that complex for a while and since everything sort of looks the same at first glance

Yet, you'll likely ignore that as an excuse for why Trayvon was looking around at houses wondering exactly where he was, I'll bet.

No why would he be looking into houses when he lived in a townhome.

Only a moron couldn’t tell the difference between a townhouse and a regular house.

You are really trying to pull some ____ out of thin air with that statement.


In other words no Treyvon didn't have an excuse to be looking into homes he should have been looking for street signs.

Maybe he identified where he was at by what people had in there homes and to you that's OK??

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
And Zimmerman didn't know Martin was dead? Wasn't he at the scene when Martin was pronounced dead?

The witness at the scene immediately knew he was dead.
John Goods phone call to 911 said something like 'holy s*** there's a dead guy' (something like that)
I don't think there was any question that he almost instantly died.