The Zimmerman Trial

reply to post by RickKilgannon


You've never encountered Walter Mitty/Billy Liar types who wouldn't say boo to a goose, but try to make out like they are not to be messed with and big up everything they do?

From reading updates from media in the courtroom, the jury seems to be acting the complete opposite towards the defense closing arguments then they did towards the prosecutions.

Reports say the jury is paying so close attention to defense that they didn't even flinch when TV equipment fell to the floor.

reply to post by RickKilgannon


So they are going to go with the defence?

reply to post by boymonkey74


If they are properly doing their job as jury, yes they will decide not guilty, there is no other verdict with this much doubt.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
So they are going to go with the defence?

I posted a bit earlier some info that was on TV this morning about juries.

Those who are in this courtroom say that the jurors are sitting four in front and two in back.
They say that the two in back were taking notes and leaning forward (yesterday).
They say that the four in front were relaxed and body language says they have made up their minds.
The black/hispanic woman is in the front row.

The TV also said that more than half of juries make up their minds during the evidence phase. That 20 percent make up their minds in deliberations. That very few make up their minds during closing.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by RickKilgannon

 

So they are going to go with the defence?

That I do not know, it just seems from reports that they are paying much closer attention to the defense then they were the prosecution. It might just be because he is more mild and isn't constantly yelling in their direction like the prosecution was.

reply to post by IvanAstikov

He gave a description of something he saw under very unfavourable viewing conditions. Nothing he said could be relied upon wholly unless he was also filming it with a night vision camera.

That's for the jury to decide.

And, yes, I wouldn't be surprised if people who were cowards were prone to tell the occasional lie. Not doing something when you could is a moral failing.

We're all prone to tell the occasional lie. Brave doesn't mean more honest.

I share your view that we should all help people in need. However, like many things in life, getting physically involved is not for everyone. Its easy to play armchair general but I don't judge people for making a very personal decision like that because it was his life to risk...not mine. Not everyone can play the hero. He helped by calling the police. I applaud that action. Most people in that complex didn't even do that much!

reply to post by RickKilgannon


It's pretty much meaningless but I just had a premonition zimmerman would be found guilty. I hope I'm wrong as I would consider it a gross miscarriage of justice. But it seemed to me from day one that once the media got hold of it all, Justice wasn't in the cards.

reply to post by DeadSeraph


It's possible for sure. They have lots of strong grounds for appeal should it happen though, if the analysts are to be believed at least.

Originally posted by DeadSeraph
reply to post by RickKilgannon

 

It's pretty much meaningless but I just had a premonition zimmerman would be found guilty. I hope I'm wrong as I would consider it a gross miscarriage of justice. But it seemed to me from day one that once the media got hold of it all, Justice wasn't in the cards.

I have that same feeling, I came into the trial without my mind made up either way. I think that he should be found not guilty because the prosecution has not done their job, but I feel that he will be found guilty of something. I hope we are wrong.

Wait a mo is it all on live TV? (sorry late to the whole thing).

reply to post by seabag


Calling the police was no help to Zimmerman whatever, if what Z says bears any resemblance to truth. The defence are going to argue that one more blow could brain damage or kill Z, so phoning the police is just abdicating your responsibility. He either thought Z was close to his death and went back indoors, or more likely, he realised the situation wasn't as violent as Z has made out.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
Wait a mo is it all on live TV? (sorry late to the whole thing).

watch live feed here .... WFTV Live Feed

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by DeadSeraph

 

It's possible for sure. They have lots of strong grounds for appeal should it happen though, if the analysts are to be believed at least.

Personally I would still consider it a gross injustice. The appeal process could take a very long time. I know I disagree with a great many people on this issue, but George Zimmerman is NOT guilty of second degree murder. There is more (MUCH MUCH MORE) than a reasonable doubt that he committed murder. There is simply no grounds for a conviction other than to avoid a race riot.

reply to post by RickKilgannon


OMG cheers
Do they put all big cases on telly?

Originally posted by boymonkey74
Wait a mo is it all on live TV? (sorry late to the whole thing).

www.wftv.com... and MSNBC is having the least # of commercials.

Nothing ever surprises me these days, if Kasey Anthony can be found not guilty, a group can be fooled or pushed into a guilty verdict. Being all female, they will have a heavy lean towards emotion, but at the same time, they will also have a greater fear of making the wrong decision and deciding this guys fate wrong.

So if they can honestly say, I have no doubt he is guilty all the evidence shows this(not a chance this is the case). Or they say, Im pretty sure he didnt need to shoot him, but there is so much doubt I just cant vote guilty and live with the guilt knowing there was so much doubt.

Defense just showed their animation of what happened that night. They showed the view from John Goods patio. The fight was right off the patio. The light from the house would have been spilling out onto the fight. John Good had a reliable view of the fight. He EASILY could have seen who was on the bottom and who was on the top. He EASILY could have seen arm movements from Martin raining blows down onto Zimmerman.

John Goods testimony is the only reliable eyewitness testimony to the fight.

The live feed is saying that juror E40 is resting her cheek on her hand again.
Bored .. made up her mind already .... dunno.

BTW .. I think this animation with it putting the phone calls over top of it ... is excellent.

ETA .. reporting that the jury is paying very close attention to the video.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Just watching it now...If some dude was beating my head against the ground I would have done the same.