The Zimmerman Trial

Originally posted by crazyewok

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by crazyewok

 

I've not seen your views on the case deviating much. Pot, kettle, black, perhaps?

My view is that its too murky to make a clear decisoin

Hence reasonble doubt.

I dont know if he is guilty or not. There is not enough information from either side. So reasonble doubt applies.

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edit on 12-7-2013 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)

There you have it! That's what I've been saying all along.

Only one of the jury needs to think this way (of the 6 and 3 alternates) and poof! Not guilty.

This WILL take place.

reply to post by silo13

I've had nose bleeds that would come and go for a few days. Granted, that's not a broken nose situation, but what I'm saying is that nose wounds can heal slowly and reopen a lot. That's my experience ...

reply to post by roadgravel


He is not an american lol. They don't have the right to self defense like americans do.

Originally posted by TKDRL
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He is not an american lol. They don't have the right to self defense like americans do.

Pretty sure you missed the boat there.

reply to post by FlyersFan


He did NOT see how they got there, and he didn't hang around enough in the scary dark place, with the scary fighting people, for long enough to give an accurate description of what was happening. A person who sees and hears a person begging for help and says "I'm phoning the police!" is not someone whose statements I would ascribe much value to. I already know he is a coward, so believing he is a liar too, is no stretch.

TV News .. FOX NEWS .. this morning was asking their reporter who was in the court room what the jury was thinking .. if she could tell by their body language. She said ... the jury is split with four sitting in front and two sitting in back. The two in the back are still very interested and leaning forward and taking notes. Consensus is that this means those four have made up their minds already. The four who are sitting in front are relaxed and not taking notes. One of the four in front wouldn't look at the prosecution attorney yesterday. The hispanic/black woman is one of the women in the front.

TV news also showed a chart this morning showing when jurors make up their minds.
They got the data by questioning juries.
More than half make up their minds during when the evidence is coming in.
Only 20% make up their minds during deliberations.
A mall portion make up their mind during closing arguments.

I'll look around and see if I can find that chart.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by roadgravel

 

He is not an american lol. They don't have the right to self defense like americans do.

Well we do now kinda. The law has being changing abit here lately. Let not turn this into a bash the UK thread.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

He did NOT see how they got there, and he didn't hang around enough in the scary dark place, with the scary fighting people, for long enough to give an accurate description of what was happening. A person who sees and hears a person begging for help and says "I'm phoning the police!" is not someone whose statements I would ascribe much value to. I already know he is a coward, so believing he is a liar too, is no stretch.

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Ah. So average guy that is scared due to the assault in progress in an otherwise quiet neighborhood is now a liar because he's a coward.

Let me guess... #&!@ snitches?

Your argument is weak at best, and beneath me at worst.

reply to post by IvanAstikov

Dude ... John Good stated that Martin was on top and doing the ground and pound on Zimmerman. He said that Martin was raining down blows on Zimmerman. Good didn't say that he saw the head being pounded into the cement, but forensic evidence showed clearly that it was from the cement (the indents from the cement was clearly visible). Just accept it .... the facts are clear. Martin caused Zimmermans injuries.

reply to post by crazyewok


I was not bashing, just saying you dont have self defense laws like we do, didn't say you didn't have any at all. Just they are not the same.

reply to post by IvanAstikov

He did NOT see how they got there, and he didn't hang around enough in the scary dark place, with the scary fighting people, for long enough to give an accurate description of what was happening.

Ummmm....he did give a description of what he saw. It's key to this case.

A person who sees and hears a person begging for help and says "I'm phoning the police!" is not someone whose statements I would ascribe much value to.

So you don't believe female witnesses either?

I already know he is a coward, so believing he is a liar too, is no stretch.

I'm not following your logic. So if you believe some guy is a puss then he is quite possibly dishonest also??

Have you ever served jury duty? I hope not!

reply to post by DeadSeraph


Quiet neighbourhood? I thought it was a crime-ridden hell-hole that Zimmerman was trying to restore to it's former Apple Pie glory? I wish you guys would make your minds up.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
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Quiet neighbourhood? I thought it was a crime-ridden hell-hole that Zimmerman was trying to restore to it's former Apple Pie glory? I wish you guys would make your minds up.

Just because there are burglaries in the neighborhood doesn't mean that there were fights outside on the streets to make it a normal thing. My neighborhood has had some burglaries but it is still a quiet neighborhood and if there was a fight outside it would be out of the norm.

reply to post by seabag


He gave a description of something he saw under very unfavourable viewing conditions. Nothing he said could be relied upon wholly unless he was also filming it with a night vision camera.

And, yes, I wouldn't be surprised if people who were cowards were prone to tell the occasional lie. Not doing something when you could is a moral failing.

Has anyone done any research in regards to criminal activity happening in Zimmerman's gated community since the night of February 26 2012?

Has it declined, increased, stayed the same?

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And yet you bash Zimmerman for being proactive lol......

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by seabag

 

He gave a description of something he saw under very unfavourable viewing conditions. Nothing he said could be relied upon wholly unless he was also filming it with a night vision camera.

And, yes, I wouldn't be surprised if people who were cowards were prone to tell the occasional lie. Not doing something when you could is a moral failing.

Most people I have met that are cowards are to scared to even lie because they were afraid they would get caught and get in trouble.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by seabag

 

He gave a description of something he saw under very unfavourable viewing conditions. Nothing he said could be relied upon wholly unless he was also filming it with a night vision camera.

And, yes, I wouldn't be surprised if people who were cowards were prone to tell the occasional lie. Not doing something when you could is a moral failing.

Ah. So night vision cameras constitute the burden of proof. Which witness had a night vision camera that showed Zimmerman killing Martin in cold blood? You alone seem to have seen the footage.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
He gave a description of something he saw under very unfavourable viewing conditions.

Conditions were favorable enough for him to be able to know who was on top and who was on the bottom ... and to be able to tell what the person on top was doing.

I wouldn't be surprised if people who were cowards were prone to tell the occasional lie. Not doing something when you could is a moral failing.

Did you see John Good. He isn't exactly a whimp of a guy. He was solid. He was obviously educated. He did exactly what he should have done ... he saw a fight in progress and he called the police first. We don't know what he would have done if the fight had continued after he called the police.

For you to say this guy has a 'moral failing' because he did the correct and prudent thing (call the cops) .... that's absurd. Just plain absurd ..... :shk:

Originally posted by TKDRL
And yet you bash Zimmerman for being proactive lol......

Excellent point. So which is it??? ZImmerman was a bad guy for wanting to stop crime and doing something about it ... or John Good was a bad guy and morally depraved for going and calling the cops instead of immediately getting involved to break up a fight?