The New War in Britain is starting...EDL peaceful protest attacked by UAF and Muslims not covered i

reply to post by IvanAstikov


The EDL to me is simply a means to an eventual end hopefully...an end to Islam becoming dominate to those who do not want it. Look at history for a moment and religion. It is needed to be a voice and a voice of all people. You can pick and choose the evil ones, or the ones in it for fame or want, but in the end it is about the commoner.

If you have never looked at this, take a minute to. That is all it takes. You will see that this is a relgious struggle that has been centuries in the making.

Link

There is a reason that it is surrounded.

LONDON



This us what groups like the EDL are against. Someone in here said there is no problem in London. This looks like a street in Syria to me if not for the double decker buses.

Who gets taken away? The Muslim man standing up to the men screaming Allah Akbar and beating some man in the street. Then the imam for the news lady to denounce violence.

These guys really look like they want to integrate and spread happiness.

The problem the world over is clearly is Islam!

There is just no way anyone with half a brain can deny it

Just look at the rest of the world and compare it to Islamic countrys in the Middle East

Done that?

That's something none of you can deny anymore, and the ME is the bum hole of the world for a very good reason

Face it ladies and gentlemen, Islam, NOT religion... is and always has been the biggest threat to world peace

And the reason i say Islam and not Religion such as Christians & Jews is because

The world over...

Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Hindu's, Buddhist, and ever other religious group on this planet live peacefully side by side or in modern day multicultural countries & city's the world over and always have done, yet Muslims are at war with every other Religion on every planet in universe for no other reason than there prophets preaching's, and backwards corrupt medieval dictators & governments, the problem is overwhelmingly obvious people, and far to many people have ignored these facts for far far to long,

Oh moderate Muslims?

REALLY?

I haven't seen any evidence for that yet, as soon as the right moment occurs your all back at it acting like uncivilized medieval dickheads

reply to post by TritonTaranis


From you...

Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Hindu's, Buddhist, and ever other religious group on this planet live peacefully side by side

No they do not read the world news once and a while eh?

The problem isn't just Islam it is Religion full stop.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by TritonTaranis

 

From you...

Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Hindu's, Buddhist, and ever other religious group on this planet live peacefully side by side

No they do not read the world news once and a while eh?

The problem isn't just Islam it is Religion full stop.

Yes i would agree to an extent, but if i did that id have to say Humans are the problem... but lets first squash the No1 troubled religion ISLAM

Muslim's eclipse any other minor religious disputes a thousand times over, thus making Religious War other than Muslim Wars far less a deal than any other War, its not Religion, Its Islam

All because of religious differences, 90% of the time this difference is because of what the Quran & the prophet Mohammed preaches, and Muslims refusal to integrate peacefully


Syria conflict between Shias and Sunnis Muslims

Sri Lanka War, religious tensions between the Sinhala Budhdhists and the Muslims

Nigerian Civil War religious tensions between Islam and Christians

Lebanese Civil War, religious tensions Islam and Christian

Second Sudanese Civil War, religious tensions Islam and Christian

Chinese conflict, The Dungan revolt (1862–1877)

Ethiopia - Somalia

Nigerian conflict

The list of

Muslim-Hindu conflicts
Muslim-Sikh conflicts
Muslim-Christian conflicts
Muslim-Buddhist conflicts

IS ENDLESS

However the same cannot be said with conflicts with other religions, other religions warring seems to be bought about by governments and kings, things otherwise not connected to Religion, and lastly haven't occurred in many many many years

reply to post by boymonkey74


Do Sikhs straps explosives to themselves and blow themselves up at downtown cafes?
Do Buddhists fly planes into buildings?
Do Catholics in New York wage war against Catholics in NJ?
Do Jews kill other Jews in the name of the great book?
Do Baptists send warriors to the Holy to Kill in the name of Jihad?
Do Hindus teach that all women are lower than men?

Nope. But Islam does. In fact, each one of the religions I stated have been affected by Islam in one way of another.

reply to post by esdad71


Most on the faiths of the Book, such as Islam, Judaism and Christianity treat women as lower then men.
The Catholics and protestants have been killing each other for centuries.
you could argue that the terrorists acts carried out by the IRA were acts of terror by Catholics on Protestants.
The divisons are definitely based on religion.

And to be honest all faiths have carried out atrocities.

Originally posted by WilsonWilson
reply to post by esdad71

 

Most on the faiths of the Book, such as Islam, Judaism and Christianity treat women as lower then men.
The Catholics and protestants have been killing each other for centuries.
you could argue that the terrorists acts carried out by the IRA were acts of terror by Catholics on Protestants.
The divisons are definitely based on religion.

And to be honest all faiths have carried out atrocities.

LOL

That's nothing but a tea party compared to Islamic internal & external wars LOL... FORGET IT theres only one winner here

Ok, ok, lets not side track...

Lets just agree that Religion is bad for the planet,

But lets also agree Islam is the cause of over 90% of them

And for a very good reason, deny it all you like the facts are there and the truth will one day hit you

reply to post by TritonTaranis


well i dont agree with you.

there have been terrorists of all faiths, it would say the Catholics ones have probably been the ones who've had most effect on the UK, rather than Muslims ones.

reply to post by esdad71

reply to post by purplemer


This is the Truth.

the old addage one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist, is very true.

Originally posted by symptomoftheuniverse
any links,proof to your claims of 10000 girls injured on uk roads? No? And its your as in you lot.

2007 figure was nearly 24k, so one assumes roughly 50/50 split:

In 2007 alone there were 23,807 children between the ages of 0 and 15 killed or seriously injured on UK roads
source: www.justajourney.co.uk...

So yes, I'm not just making stuff up. Unlike you.

It's "you are" in the context you wrote above, so "you're" is correct.

Originally posted by esdad71
reply to post by JuniorDisco

 

Caught those misspellings, didn't you?

Point proven you are pointing out things with no bearing and not addressing the links I provide to counter your claims.

No. Only one of us in this discussion has directly addressed each point the other has made.

And if I'm being honest I only additionally point out your spelling and grammar to erode your authority. Good writing that is persuasive and redolent of a cogent position ought to exhibit good spelling and grammar, at least in my opinion. If it comes off as petty, my apologies. It probably is.

Pakistanis...is that better? If they are raping people and not protecting them I should actually call them animals, but, that's right, they are worse than animals because animals do not rape each other.

Pakistanis is preferable, yes. And generally speaking Pakistanis don't rape people, so once again you're chucking people into a category and suggesting - with no real evidence - that mere membership of that group implies a certain type of behaviour.

You're wrong about animals as well, by the way.

I have Muslim friends also but they are what I call Muslim 'light'...they drink..play Xbox...they do not preach to me and I do not preach to them. I have however had the pleasure of meeting some of their relatives who, based on thier actions, feel I should report them to DHS but that would be prejudice because i do not know them. WHo does know them?

I have no idea what you mean here. You seem to be saying that not all muslims are bad, which is I suppose a step in the right direction.

The imams who sit silent and 'condemn' after attacks and murders and beheadings occur.

Sitting silent and condemning are opposites, aren't they?

Also, the rape of children by US soldiers is NOT accepted by me and I would say everyone in the US but you then want to try to describe all soldiers as rapists.

I don't actually. I'm saying that this is the logical extension of your need to categorise everyone in a group by the deeds of its worst members. According to you we might as well call all Americans rapists.

And the ones that aren't actively raping don't ever seem to apologise or condemn it. When did Obama ever apologise for US servicemen raping people? This is an outrage. Why haven't you apologised for the terrible actions of those US soldiers? You are silent on the matter as well. Shocking.

Friends of mine and family who died in those crap holes overseas did it to try to stop the oppression that occurs, not continue it. Did it thinking what they were doing was helping someone and then a 9 year old kid rats them out so an IED can kill them because that child is brainwashed. That is what happens when all you do is repeat the Quran all day. Brainwashing.

Well, actually it's what happens when you blindly believe guys like Bush and Cheney and go storming into other people's countries. Weirdly they don't like it.

I think that if you actually sat down, ate some curry and had a few pints with me outside of the internets you would see we have more in common than you think. I know I can allow myself those thoughts but can you?

I'm sure you're an okay guy. I just think you're generalising hugely about islam and muslims. And in the current climate that's not a good idea. IMO.

Originally posted by esdad71


The EDL to me is simply a means to an eventual end hopefully...an end to Islam becoming dominate to those who do not want it. Look at history for a moment and religion.

But you see this is my point. You claim that we are already being 'dominated' by Islam where I live, and yet you are unable to mention a single way in which it has affected me. Not one minor, tiny effect on my life.

Why is that, if it's so 'dominant'?

If you have never looked at this, take a minute to. That is all it takes. You will see that this is a relgious struggle that has been centuries in the making.

Link

There is a reason that it is surrounded.

I assume you mean islam is surrounded? You do realise that the map centres on the ME? The world is in fact a sphere so we're all surrounded.

reply to post by JuniorDisco


The guy doesn't even live here and he thinks Muslims have taken over....I live in west yorkshire and we have many Muslims, none have bothered me..ever.
We in the UK If really threatened would do something about it, we have done it in the past and would do it in the future.
They are just trying to get by like the rest of us.
I think he needs to look up what a war is...because it isn't happening outside in the UK is it.

reply to post by esdad71


There's no point sticking up videos of isolated incidents. Everybody knows there are muslim nutters out there. Once again, nobody is saying that all Muslims are peaceful and friendly.

Look at these guys. They really seem like they are trying to stop the spread of brutality and barbarism:

www.youtube.com...

Yeah, Americans are vicious people alright.

reply to post by JuniorDisco


Why is more not done about 'radical' Islam by Islam itself? That is the final question here. We can post acts by as you call them 'crazy nutters' but what is being done.

I guess I go by the fact that every time someone does something wrong, the same things are said by neighbors and friends. That is what you are saying. It is what they said about the bombers in Boston.

" He was a nice guy"
"He never bothered anyone"
"He talked some crazy talk but we all thought it was just that, talk..."

Until they become a mass murderer or commit some other type of violent act. I was showing a video of how it has become Muslim against Muslim in a country that is not even Muslim. The Shia/Sunni fight is ready to explode in Syria with everyone picking sides and you think it will not spill over into all of Europe.

I am not trying to demonize an entire religion, but I am saying that there is much more violence in Islam than any other. The American Army is not a religion so those videos, while horrible are not the same as young men attacking others in the street based on religious beliefs.

If anything, the posts show you feel nothing is wrong and this is your right. Me, I am weary of anyone who wants to tell me how I should do something and the book he follows tells him he has the right to kill me if I do not agree. That is the truth and you cannot deny that.

Originally posted by esdad71

Why is more not done about 'radical' Islam by Islam itself? That is the final question here. We can post acts by as you call them 'crazy nutters' but what is being done.

More probably should be done. But it's difficult to persuade young men with not much money and not much hope that the west isn't bad when America keeps meddling in the middle east. The arguments of the ones doing the radicalising may be flawed, but it must be easy to see past that when your family wedding has just been shot up by a US airstrike.

Also, I disagree that this is your 'final question'. You have claimed in this thread that no muslims ever express concern about radicalisation or apologise or whatever, and that there are no LGBT muslim groups; that UK newspapers never criticise Islam. I have shown you - with absolute precision - that each of these contentions is wrong.

I guess I go by the fact that every time someone does something wrong, the same things are said by neighbors and friends. That is what you are saying. It is what they said about the bombers in Boston.

" He was a nice guy"
"He never bothered anyone"
"He talked some crazy talk but we all thought it was just that, talk..."

Until they become a mass murderer or commit some other type of violent act. I was showing a video of how it has become Muslim against Muslim in a country that is not even Muslim. The Shia/Sunni fight is ready to explode in Syria with everyone picking sides and you think it will not spill over into all of Europe.

I think it will not spill over into all of Europe, no.

You think it will, but your record of factual analysis in this respect is, with respect, poor. You claim that the war is starting and yet you can't even suggest one way in which I have been even slightly inconvenienced by islam. That's a pretty feeble war.

I am not trying to demonize an entire religion, but I am saying that there is much more violence in Islam than any other. The American Army is not a religion so those videos, while horrible are not the same as young men attacking others in the street based on religious beliefs.

So cruelty and violence are okay if they are carried out by a national rather than religious group?

Anyway, you're wrong. Christians are responsible for genocides that dwarf anything Islam has produced. South America saw 20 million killed in the name of Christ. An atheist communist invented the suicide bombing. Hinduism has perpetrated grotesque violence on muslims in India. Buddhists routed the Tamils in Sri Lanka five years ago and slaughtered civilians in their thousands.

The list is just as long and broad for Christians or whoever you choose. And always on the end of it are innocent people. Like the vast, vast majority of muslims.

If anything, the posts show you feel nothing is wrong and this is your right.

I don't know how you can assume that. I have constantly written that I think there are huge issues with Islam.

Me, I am weary of anyone who wants to tell me how I should do something and the book he follows tells him he has the right to kill me if I do not agree. That is the truth and you cannot deny that.

The bible says lots of crazy stuff, and there are plenty more Christians than muslims. If I were you, given that you live in a massively christian country, I'd be much more worried about them.

reply to post by JuniorDisco


Islam did the same thing BEFORE the US was even a nation. There is some factual basis for you. Europe as a whole is in turmoil from Islam and it is a fact. If 1 in 10 support radicalization it is still 1 in 10 that can kill and bastardize a nation.

Also, this conversation is not about Christianity as there are issue there, but when in the modern day is this happening. Are Christians still going to countries, non military Christians, just citizens, and killing in the name of their god or trying to convert. No.

Originally posted by WilsonWilson
reply to post by TritonTaranis

 

well i dont agree with you.

there have been terrorists of all faiths, it would say the Catholics ones have probably been the ones who've had most effect on the UK, rather than Muslims ones.

What you mean the IRA

How can you compare a couple of drunk paddy's to many thousands of different extremist Muslims terrorist groups & organisations?, all you have done is highlight just how many group of extremists there are in the Middle East, let alone the many thousands of other extremist groups operating in Western Countries compared to just the IRA, kinda puts it all into light doesn't it lol