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Originally posted by yuppa
I have yet to see Someone of the muslim faith Prove to me it was not edited. There are the oldest know qu rans that look totally different than the modern versions. The older ones lack the puntuations and dots over passages and words. the newer ones have them. Obvious proof it was not perfect but good luck getting one to admit it.
Gospel of Matthew - apostle. Gospel of Mark - One of the 72 Disciples Gospel of Luke - got much of his info from Mary, Jesus Mother. Gospel of John - the Beloved Disciple Epistles of Peter - Chief Apostle. Epistles of James and John - Apostles Epistles of Jude - brother of James
Originally posted by logical7
Originally posted by yuppa
I have yet to see Someone of the muslim faith Prove to me it was not edited. There are the oldest know qu rans that look totally different than the modern versions. The older ones lack the puntuations and dots over passages and words. the newer ones have them. Obvious proof it was not perfect but good luck getting one to admit it.
Thats very simple.
The classical arabic does not have dots,marks etc.
The arabs instinctively know how to pronounce a word without the help of those dots and punctuations etc.
Someone who knows arabic grammar can also do that but non-arabs like me wouldn't have a clue how to read it without those dots and marks helping me.
Qur'an by definition is a recital, the written copy is aimed at making the right sounds.
The addition of those dots etc does not mean its edited. The words when recited will make the same sound as the oldest copies recited by an arabic expert.
Originally posted by yuppa
Originally posted by logical7
Originally posted by yuppa
I have yet to see Someone of the muslim faith Prove to me it was not edited. There are the oldest know qu rans that look totally different than the modern versions. The older ones lack the puntuations and dots over passages and words. the newer ones have them. Obvious proof it was not perfect but good luck getting one to admit it.
Thats very simple.
The classical arabic does not have dots,marks etc.
The arabs instinctively know how to pronounce a word without the help of those dots and punctuations etc.
Someone who knows arabic grammar can also do that but non-arabs like me wouldn't have a clue how to read it without those dots and marks helping me.
Qur'an by definition is a recital, the written copy is aimed at making the right sounds.
The addition of those dots etc does not mean its edited. The words when recited will make the same sound as the oldest copies recited by an arabic expert.
Ah but it is still editing is it not? If it was perfect it did not need those marks. God would have made it already that way if he had meant it to be that way since it was perfect right?
Originally posted by logical7
its a shame that there is no Gospel of Jesus!
Muslims believe that Islam will reach every place and become the dominant religion but it will by its values and teachings not by force.
There are people with wishful thinking that want Islam to "take over the world" but its just their ego talking while they think that they are righteous. You will find that type in many religions so they are not exclusive to islam.
How many? I don't know, but they don't have any clout.
What about the ones who obviously are NOT "harmless"? The ones who are active and violent and taking "revenge" for how they've been treated (whether perceived or real)?
Many muslims who feel victimised and oppressed think that way to feel better and thats about it, they are harmless and themselves suffering and such ideas give them a bit comfort.
how do you know that whats written in any gospel is what really happened? Or those gospels were written by the person its claimed to be written by?
Don't you believe that he was raised up?
Qur'an is a revealation, Jesus pbuh recieved a revealation called the Gospel.
if i write a gospel of Akragon and people make copies, edit it and add their ideas and after 2000years, someone says "was Akragon lying when he said some statement?"
how much responsibility will you accept for that book and what it says? None. right?
Originally posted by yuppa
reply to post by logical7
The bible was written down first time and not just spoken.people like to add in their own ideals to spice up the storys. Thats the problem with oral stories.
Originally posted by Rosinitiate
Originally posted by yuppa
reply to post by logical7
The bible was written down first time and not just spoken.people like to add in their own ideals to spice up the storys. Thats the problem with oral stories.
Really it was just written down? That is your argument? The bible was immediately written down no oral transition huh? That's why the flood story exists in ancient Sanskrit before Christianity was a thought.
Originally posted by yuppa
Originally posted by Rosinitiate
Originally posted by yuppa
reply to post by logical7
The bible was written down first time and not just spoken.people like to add in their own ideals to spice up the storys. Thats the problem with oral stories.
Really it was just written down? That is your argument? The bible was immediately written down no oral transition huh? That's why the flood story exists in ancient Sanskrit before Christianity was a thought.
And all antireligious threads are nothing more than propaganda used to incite one faith or another into doing something stupid. Pitting one against the other while the true villains in this story snicker exiting stage left......
The Tsarnaev brothers were traumatized as little kids by the brutal Chechnyan mess - and then decided to "take revenge" on Americans, who had GIVEN THEM REFUGE. In fact, that was the FIRST thought that went through my mind that day in Boston...."this is revenge." Not "thanks for taking us in." No. "We are going to blow some people's legs off and kill a few while we're at it." The guy in London who butchered a soldier in broad daylight...what about him? He is being given refuge in a Western country, and then hacks to death a citizen of that country who did NOTHING to provoke him. What is HIS deal? How could that soldier, or ANYONE ON THE STREET have determined he was anything BUT a "harmless Muslim refugee."
Speaking with a London accent, he
rants: “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a
tooth. We swear by almighty Allah we
will never stop fighting you.” Bizarrely, he apologises to women
who saw the slaughter, but adds: “In
our land our women have to see the
same. “You people will never be safe.
Remove your governments, they don’t
care about you. You think David
Cameron is going to get caught in the
street when we start busting our
guns? You think politicians are going to die? “No it’s going to be the average guy,
like you and your children. So get rid
of them. Tell them to bring our troops
back so we can all live in peace.”