So who's actually running the planet?

Originally posted by Spiro

Originally posted by SimonPeter
One thing you can be sure of is that money runs everything . The Rothschilds are the richest family in the world

Greetings,

The Rothschilds are the richest family in Europe, but only after the Pope and Vatican.

The richest family in the world are the Waltons, followed closely behind by the Koch Brothers.

Scource

Having said that, we will never know exactly how much the " Elite " own.

Be safe be well

Spiro

Uhh did you even read that article? It left the Rothchilds out. And by the way noone knows exactly how much they have but we all know the rumours, except you i guess.

Originally posted by whatsup86
Uhh did you even read that article?

Indeed I did.

It left the Rothchilds out.

I know it did. I scourced the article to reference the richest family in the world.

And by the way noone knows exactly how much they have but we all know the rumours, except you i guess.

Uhh, didnt you read my post? I said we will never know how much they have so you are trying to make me look stupid by stating the same quote

Though I dont come to my conclusion based on rumours [like you I guess]. If you bother to research the Rothschild dynasty you will see that there are no rumours, just facts. Besides, I never mentioned how much they have so you have answerd the same question with the same answer

Be safe be well
Spiro

I understand where you are coming from. How could humans be sold evil, so cold? Is it really just for money? Or are governments being "controlled" by something else? Who stands behind those closed doors at the very top? At first I thought that David Icke and others were looney. But why would you want to poison your planet? Tamper with the genetics of your food? Its like humans are slowly being sickened, weakened. The gmos (especially), chemtrailing, flouride/toxins in the water. Its all starting to just feel off. We all have to breath the same air, drink the same water. It dosen't add up, unless there are "others". And they don't have our best interests in mind. Do I believe that we are alone? Not a chance. Do I believe that they all come in piece? No.

Who runs the world?

Someone with an anti human agenda.

Does that make them non human?

Not necessarily so. They could just be a greedy, twisted psycopathic, sociopath with delusions of grandeur.

Is anyone really 'in control'?

Not completely but they are not giving up trying.

Is there a 'plan' in action to empower and engrandise themselves while demeaning everyone else?

You bet your ass there is.

The human race has been subverted. The subversion has been relatively recent, within the last 200 y ears.

The subversion has been gradual, hence the possibility of 'long living' rulers or attempted rulers.

We have seen the gradual demoralisation of society and the growth of anything goes aligned with a clash of civilisation of 'nothing goes'! Two extremes exist on one planet that might yets cause mass casualties.

We then see the destabilisation of whole parts of the family caused by the 'demoralisation' of family, law, education, religion and life in general.

As we sink down into the cesspit of morality on the one hand with disfunction in all parts of society this one group on the planet is faced with another extreme group with extreme 'moral' or control freakery beyond just functional society.

We face Crisis! At crisis point society becomes unbearable as the class of civilisatons occurs and the masters sit hanging over the balconies slavering in disgusting blood lust at the chaos, dysfuntion and anarchy they have deliberately created.

Until ENOUGH is reached and their blood lust abated.

The metaphorical 'tanks' move in and there is no more freedom.

www.youtube.com...

If you want to know how this planetary anarchy has been reached you might like to sit and watch the above youtube link of a talk given by a former KGB agent at which point, if you watch the whole thing you will see the mechanics between the 'running of the planet', and its potential purpose.

But WHO is behind it? That is a very interesting question. BUT, after you watch and listen to that agent you will understant that there IS someone or a group that has deliberately chosen to drive our planet's inhabitants to the gates of hell and tip them off!

Who benefits?

Find the answer to that one and you know who rules the world.

I have never been able to find this post on ATS since I first read it many years ago, but I do remember a Jesuit Priest being named as the real power in the world that even the 'financially powerful' were terrified of. Remembering that money does NOT really exist and whatever you own can be taken off you in an instant by someone more powerful than you, whoever had the power to run the world must have a 'different' source of power not akin to mere pieces of paper, clicks on a bank account or land that is no longer yours when you die.

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The Rothschilds are worth many Trillions . They will never publish their wealth as per Mayer Rothschild some 300 years ago. They finance wars , both sides . They start those wars if they can to indebt those countries so that they can get their fingers into the workings of the governments . Also they get resources at a discount when the country can not pay .
What news that is published is controlled by the Bankster elite so we only know what they want us to know . Then too there are branches of the Rothschild family in England and France and the extended family the Rockefellers over here . The Waltons are not the Elite , they are not Jewish .

Originally posted by Shuye
Do these people really have absolutely no empathy? If so can we be 100% sure they are even humans or are originated on this planet? It seems like a specie can be treated so badly only by a different specie, I fail to see how regular homo-sapiens can perform such acts.

Yes, actually. I study violent crime on the side. Watching a research video a while back, and it was stated that a current ongoing study has so far concluded that psychopaths are around 4x more common in upper echelon executive business positions. The same likely holds true for politicians, and I doubt it gets any better as you climb the ladder. I don't believe in any of the non-human hypotheses floating around because, quite frankly, human evil knows no bounds. True psychopaths are indeed incapable of empathy, and it doesn't matter who they exploit to get what they want. You don't need to look at faraway planets, or extra dimensions, or religious doctrine to find the source of all evil. It's right here in our brains.

If you really cannot see how a human can be so cruel or violent, I suggest you read up on various serial killers. If the lowest of them with no real power can bring about so much evil, and hundreds of deaths on their own, just imagine what those same people would do in a position of power.

Greetings,

Originally posted by SimonPeter

The Rothschilds are worth many Trillions . They will never publish their wealth as per Mayer Rothschild some 300 years ago. They finance wars , both sides . They start those wars if they can to indebt those countries so that they can get their fingers into the workings of the governments . Also they get resources at a discount when the country can not pay .

I am well aware of the Rothschilds and indeed the whole banking cartels that use money to gain financial gain through wars etc.

What news that is published is controlled by the Bankster elite so we only know what they want us to know .

Again, I am well aware of this. The links I posted was based on factual information because all we have to go on regarding the banking elite are " presumptions ".

Then too there are branches of the Rothschild family in England and France and the extended family the Rockefellers over here . The Waltons are not the Elite , they are not Jewish .

The Li family is another example of not being Jewish however, they are among the ruling elite. There are many, many families that are not Jews and are part of the elite

Be safe be well

Spiro

Illiminati, greys nephilims repitials, these are all just servants their true leader has many names like molech or satan

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I will tell you what is going on here. The earth can only sustain so much human life. There is a need for population control, like it or not. There already isn't enough food to feed the population of the planet now.

Now imagine what it would be like on Earth if everyone lived to 150. Imagine if there was a cure for all kinds of cancers and deadly diseases on top of people living longer. Not only would you have a lot of unemployed people in the world, doctors, pharma employees, researchers, etc, you would also have a very packed earth.

To be honest, I see nothing wrong with population control done this way. One can imagine what it may be like if the worlds governments had to control the worlds population in other ways. i.e Hitler.

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Wait. Let me see if I have this straight: you name three mythological characters or groups who many believe are the source of all the world's problems, then name a fourth mythological character, call it a "faggot," claim it is actually the power behind the other characters or groups you named, and then lecture your potential readers about the nature of "reality."

Is Moloch in charge because he is a "faggot," or in spite of his sexual preference? Is believing in reptilians or grey's a prerequisite to believing in Satan or vice versa? What does any of this have to do with enlightenment? Wouldn't our time be better served tracking down the actual human beings who have the most power and influence in our lives and forcing them to answer for their decisions and policies? Isn't chasing snipe and calling it enlightenment kind of a double-blind bug hunt?

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My conclusions...

Either, A) top of pyramid is insane due to inbreeding to obsessively keep bloodlines "pure", and since those with "more pure" blood are valued more, the second in charge is also pretty insane, and so on, down to us who are the only sane ones left but with the least amount of power due to our mutt mix of bloodlines. Those in power now inherited it from ancestors who were once wise, and perhaps good, or at least less evil. The people acting as a shield between us and them, ie world governments, public personalities, are just smart enough to keep the charade going and they could care less about the insanity of those higher up the ladder so long as they retain their power and privilege. And they also have many tools available to them to help them remain intact. And they have the power structures set up by their ancestors and the knowledge passed down.

B) top of pyramid is, or thinks they are, doing a job for god by helping Satan do his job. The job is to tempt us. The more of us that fail, the worse the world gets. They will offer people power, stability, wealth, slaves for sex or just to beat or torture or murder, drugs, anything...they will reach into the darkest parts of your mind and see how much it takes for you to give in. Or if you will give in at all. Will you do this terrible thing for a million dollars? A billion? A thousand? Will you do it for free? Will you do it to save your own life if they threaten to murder you? Will you to save someone else's life? What about 10 peoples lives? Maybe at judgement day, its not each of us individually being judged, but humanity as a whole. Satan was against the entire creation of humans, or at least the fact that humans are, in gods eyes, placed higher than all other of gods creations. In order to know if we are good enough to be given what god has planned for us, we must be tested. That's why life is not a bowl of cherries and may be more of a simulation. God wants to know how we will react to certain situations. How we will work together to solve problems. I could go on but that's the gist of that particular idea I had...

C) the top of the pyramid is non human. Masters of deception who wish to stay hidden. From here you can have any number of possibilities, agendas, etc... Maybe they need our life essense to survive, maybe they are stranded here so until their ride home arrives, they wish to remain in control of their surroundings which is our planet, or the solar system. Perhaps they have ships thst can traverse the solar sysyem, but not the galaxy? Or Mayne they need to get to another galaxy entirely. Or maybe they are actually at odds with the others who are coming and plan to mount an assault against them, using us to fight our own saviors by convincing us they are bad. It's like a rebellion. Or maybe we are food that they plan to harvest, so our leaders will be telling us they are good. Maybe they are blatantly lying to us and poisoning us so that when they tell us about the others, we will assume they are just lying again and then do the opposite of what they said, which is exactly what they want!

Who is actually running the planet?

A horse called "Ruler of the world" Wins Epsom Derby

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I believe you are on to something. My thinking for awhile is that the "NWO" we are offered is just the old world order which will be sacrificed for the NWO. We have to be the ones to dismantle the OWO though or it wont work. This is why the information is out there and people are reacting, this stuff is staged like all of the recent revolutions. Most of the popular "alternative news" heads are mostly disinfo shills helping to push the fake truth movement which is a means of indoctrinating people into new age ideas. Nice post OP I will be marking to return to this discussion.

Two Word's.

Federal Reserve.
The oldest members of supreme senate,courts.

and there are the japedo's who may not surface until the time is right.(scariest part).

I haven't finished reading yet, but I will. Just wanted to throw my two cents in because why not?

This thread is something my partner and I talk about at times. The top at the pyramid wouldn't care about money, since they control the people who control the money. They probably have something like a special card that has an endless balance on it, who the heck knows. It seems like they wouldn't be living on this planet anymore, since the poisoning of water supplies, air, soil. We know GMO food is going around and has been for awhile. We know water has more than just fluoride in it. How does that GMO food decompose? And not just the food we eat, but the plants they grow off of? The pounds and pounds and pounds of trash that are in the waters, adding all sorts of strange new chemicals into the ecosystem. Those at the top, and maybe on the second top, wouldn't be on this planet unless they lived in some sort of self contained, self sustained geo-front. [A large underground ecosystem]

Or in space who the heck knows what level of technology has been "invented".

I think if we analyze the means of control, and really analyze ALL of the means, not just take a few threads and go crazy about it - would really help us see the big picture. School system manipulates how people learn, and makes a lot of people no longer thirst for knowledge. Big pharma... I don't even want to start with that. The need for people to have ONE "normal" neurology while others are seen as inferior. [I'm looking at you, people who talk crap about Autism. Mine's helped me out a lot with questioning things, even if it means I don't do well when dealing with really dumb inconsiderate humans.] Religion controls spirituality and is the main source and perpetuation of woman hate and hate against groups of people who are not deemed "normal". Media reinforcing stereotypes, keeps groups of people divided, brainwashes people and lies to people. Creates a social norm one must follow [My autism made me immune to that. Seems like I'm the only person who doesn't have a problem with that...]
I mean I could go on and on with the means of control.
Why would people work SO hard to keep masses really stupid? To make them better workers. To make them sheep. To make them follow blindly, and punish anyone who doesn't do the same. To keep poisoning the planet, to keep killing themselves. To spiritually lock people in and prevent them from growing. To prevent them from giving themselves power.

So who's at the top? Honestly, who really knows? Even elites only have a small view of the big picture. I guess it's really the only thing that doesn't make me afraid of death. I will finally know WHY things are the way they are.

I think though, if the people involved with trying to find truths, keeps researching, fact checking, educating, and looking at other people's perspectives, maybe we can figure it out. The only way that would work, is to get rid of that need to be right, and to admit when we're wrong. That's something I RARELY see here, or anywhere...

Master Blaster runs Bartertown!



I'd say it's whoever has the most gold that makes the rules.

Can't be a human running the planet.Lifespan too short.

How old do people live? 60, 70, 80 ? What's the youngest a person starts to be interested in politics? 20, 30?

How many years to rule? 60-30 = 30, 80-20 = 60

So, the agenda of a human ruler is max 30 to 60 years. But, the plans to shape the world are much longer term.

Nations are formed and dissolved, and new nations arise, all moving towards the grand plan.

Whoever is ruling has their timescales on the order of thousands of years. So, unless there are some hidden vampires around, they are not sitting in the flesh.

Originally posted by Unity_99
Im not sure about what is meant by the top. In human terms or, hybrid terms, the ones in plain sight, are the top. ie Rothchild's, Royal Families, and others in the world that I'm less familiar with, are really top players.

Who really knows who is at the top? They only show us what they want us to see, and it changes anyway. But it's not all the people at the top, and it's not just people at the top. It's just those who have enough economic power to control others.

There are wealthy families we never hear the name of, because they have the money to keep themselves private. They do all their business through company names and lawyers. That's one of the reason they incorporate, so they can hide their true wealth. The only thing made public is the corporations financial details.

But it's a waste of time really concentrating on individual people, it's the system that needs to change, you can't expect to change people. You'll never make capitalism economically moral, because it allows immorality by it's very nature. That is why capitalism has a state, and can't operate without law, and authority, and control.

You know the Devil maybe running the planet, or god, or a rabbit with a pancake on it's head, it's tool is capitalism, and if you break the tool, well you leave them unable to operate. We can beat the Devil, "now, looking at you, I know one thing, we can win, we can win. I want you to, I want you to, sense your own strength!"

Quote; radical historian E.P. Thompson, at a CND rally in the early 80's.

To say that the World can be "run" means there are structures that can exercise control based on pyramid-type chains of command.

Those structures are: the military, corporations, global religions and royal families.

The military, today, is mainly from the United States (I'll come back to it).

Corporations mingle a lit bit more. Here's a study that fingers the top 50 (they control 40% of the worldwide economy). The top 10 are:

1 BARCLAYS PLC (Great Britain)
2 CAPITAL GROUP COMPANIES INC, THE (US)
3 FMR CORP (US)
4 AXA (France)
5 STATE STREET CORPORATION (US)
6 JPMORGAN CHASE & CO. (US)
7 LEGAL & GENERAL GROUP PLC (Great Britain)
8 VANGUARD GROUP, INC., THE (US)
9 UBS AG (Switzerland)
10 MERRILL LYNCH & CO., INC. (US)

I'd say the financial sector is the operator of the world. It deals directly with sovereign debt and money supply. They can wield this power to stabilize, but also to destabilize when the opportunity appears. They have the top minds in the world thinking strategically down the line, making up scenarios for the future. That is why they deal so well with crisis, while the population suffers.

Then we have the military. The United States military is the largest, most well funded and most technologically advanced military, maybe in human history. The military reaches out to a lot of places in search of the best and brightest. They pick "America's best" to serve on the most sensitive missions they can think of. I would argue that Military Special Operations are truly creating super-humans. But they don't rule; they operate. When they leave the front lines and move upwards in rank, they start the type of strategic planning that is the core of US military power. When they retire, they go into the financial or contractor business, and keep doing that job. The military and the corporations, I would say, are the managers of the world. They might try to steer the world, but that is harder to do by themselves. They don't have access to all of the power channels. Combined, however, they can operate completely in the shadows. The logistics potential from the combination of the biggest financial institutions and the US military is truly astounding if you think about it. So they're great "tools" for anyone ambitious enough to use them.

The Vatican, I would say, is the one of the last centralized religious institutions in the world. They wield immense power because they can really get into the people's minds. A religious rule set is, for some people, the sole path to happiness and fulfillment. The Vatican still has deep secrets (their bank, for starters) and it certainly deals with a very long timeframe. Its strategy, what it does, has roots going back thousands of years, and they might be looking into thousands of years in the future.

Then comes the royal families. The royal families of the Netherlands and Britain still hold power over crucial parts of the world - mainly tax havens. So the money is really still under their control. They also deal with large timeframes, going back centuries, probably going forward centuries as well.

The population in general can't think about these problems. These long-term, strategic, global problems. They think about their families, about their work, maybe they have some life philosophy that dictates how to live their life. If they go to the military, or do some charitable work in Africa, they feel good about their "role in the world affairs". If they join Neighborhood Watch, they feel like they're contributing to their community. But if a crisis comes, they will be hit. They will destabilize. They don't think a lot about politics. They choose a party and stick to the line, and feel like they belong. Or they simply don't care at all about politics. They have a faint idea of what the environment issues are. They have the faintest idea of what the geopolitical worldwide issues are. They lump together the Middle East, they can probably find countries on a world map but can't say 20 words about any one of them. National history is just dates.

The population turns to "leaders", for guidance. Leaders can be great people, but they can also be a product of propaganda. In fact propaganda utilizes these "leaders" to steer large amounts of people towards some goal. Where do these leaders come from? Well, I'd say the military, corporations, organized religion and royal families. So they rule us and turn to us for support! That is why a lot of people get really puzzled on what's going on.

I don't rule out an extraterrestrial presence, by the way, but I think that we can gain a lot by just looking at some basic facts before trying to speculate... I'm sorry if this is a bit confusing... This is a great exercise though.