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Are Native Americans Considered Foreigners in America?
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It may surprise some of our European thinking friends but we also have our own history. Unlike our Eastern Hemispheric counterparts????
That responsibility was not given to Women with respect to ancient thoughts.....
Any thoughts?
That responsibility was not given to Women with respect to ancient thoughts.....
Any thoughts?
edit on 31-5-2013 by Kashai because: Added content
Originally posted by beastnwokillah
I always wondered why Native Americans didn't have a national holiday to at the very least acknowledge and honor the fact that the white man with his superiority complex stole this land from the natives. Its simple they just don't give a crap.
I think there is a member posting in here that fits this description.
*You Know Who You Are*
Originally posted by IntrinsicMotivation
Originally posted llah
I always wondered why Native Americans didn't have a national holiday to at the very least acknowledge and honor the fact that the white man with his superiority complex stole this land from the natives. Its simple they just don't give a crap.
I think there is a member posting in here that fits this description.
*You Know Who You Are*
Puerto Rico as recently ratified by election that it wants to become a State of the US. It is possible that during the next 2 to 6 years that could very well happen. There is a process that does in fact allow with relation,to creating a National Holiday. It begins with petitions and in the long run and if favored by a majority one day, results in a National Holiday.
My Great, great, great grandfather was alive when the Spanish moved there center of operations from Puerto Rico to Panama. They discovered something and then killed all Taino with exception of those who were part of, those who would be most protected.
I am a descendant of those people.....
Any thoughts?
PS: Have you ever heard of a Founder with no name???
I mean this would have been about 33,000 years ago in what is now called Arizona.
edit on 31-5-2013 by Kashai because: Added content
Originally posted by Kashai
It may surprise some of our European thinking friends but we also have our own history. Unlike our Eastern Hemispheric counterparts????
That responsibility was not given to Women with respect to ancient thoughts.....
Any thoughts?
edit on 31-5-2013 by Kashai because: Added content
Native Americans pass their history down thru the oral tradition. Ethnographers wrote these stories down.
From “Introduction To Mythology – Contemporary Approaches to Classical and World Myths 3rd ed.”
page 94
He also discusses a dilemma common to almost all research into myths: When the story remains in the oral tradition, it is constantly changing; when someone writes it down or transcribes what a storyteller is saying, it is no longer alive. Zolbrod’s view of the value of his own work seems to apply to the dilemma. On the one hand, at least some of the belief group appreciate an apparently durable record of their beliefs; on the other, the text is “fossilized.” He writes: “No text could ever represent the fluid, all-encompassing narrative cycle….
@XaniMatrix I am sure you will enjoy hearing the oral tradtion and the Powwow. Nothing is better than hearing and speaking with the Elders.
reply to post by IntrinsicMotivation
Nope, I believe in equal opportunity for everyone. I just don't like the "poor me" attitude. I really don't know what you expect out of people. I know you think I am uncaring about Native Indians, but that is not true. I did state Natives did get screwed in their dealings with European settlers. But instead of the knee jerk, emotional reaction what do you want.
You want a holiday named after Native Americans? A month? You want Native American studies more prelevent in school?
Whatever you want, but at the end of the day what does it mean. Nothing. You are still stuck in a rut. I still do not see the point of this thread other then to bemoan the fact that Native American culture has been in decline for quite some time. As many cultures thought history, adapt or die.
reply to post by IntrinsicMotivation
Hey, if you are going to say that might as well use my name.
Nope, I believe in equal opportunity for everyone. I just don't like the "poor me" attitude. I really don't know what you expect out of people. I know you think I am uncaring about Native Indians, but that is not true. I did state Natives did get screwed in their dealings with European settlers. But instead of the knee jerk, emotional reaction what do you want.
You want a holiday named after Native Americans? A month? You want Native American studies more prelevent in school?
Whatever you want, but at the end of the day what does it mean. Nothing. You are still stuck in a rut. I still do not see the point of this thread other then to bemoan the fact that Native American culture has been in decline for quite some time. As many cultures thought history, adapt or die.
reply to post by IntrinsicMotivation
Hey, if you are going to say that might as well use my name.
Originally posted by Kashai
Any thoughts?
PS: Have you ever heard of a Founder with no name???
I mean this would have been about 33,000 years ago in what is now called Arizona.edit on 31-5-2013 by Kashai because: Added content
Kashai you have sparked my curiosity about a couple new subjects for me to look into.
Thank you
reply to post by IntrinsicMotivation
Native Americans unlike the Buddhist verify an experience in reincarnation not by picking an item but by remembering something that actually happened.
Part of what I remembered was a a fire pit that stretched from Florida to Mexico and due to how this particular fire pit was constructed.
It would have been visible from Satellite had that technology actually existed then.
Based in part upon that memory I was educated.
Any thoughts?
Native Americans unlike the Buddhist verify an experience in reincarnation not by picking an item but by remembering something that actually happened.
Part of what I remembered was a a fire pit that stretched from Florida to Mexico and due to how this particular fire pit was constructed.
It would have been visible from Satellite had that technology actually existed then.
Based in part upon that memory I was educated.
Any thoughts?
edit on 31-5-2013 by Kashai because: Added content
Originally posted by MidnightTide
I still do not see the point of this thread
Not mad at all.
That’s cool, the beauty of the internet, so much to find and you found my thread.
To me, it is you who came in here and complained.
If you do not like the thread then please by all means press that little "x" in the corner of your screen and exit the thread.
edit on 31-5-2013 by IntrinsicMotivation because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Kashai
Gave you a star cause I love your avatar!
Second line reiterates the first!!
Gave you a star cause I love your avatar!
Second line reiterates the first!!
reply to post by palmalBlue2
About 33,000 years ago a supernova occured in the general area of the stars known today as Gemini.
That event was visible from what is known today as Arizona.
During that same time there was a Founder who was given no name, actually quite a honor in Western Hemispheric Indigenous Cultures.
He was called in translation, "That One".
Any thoughts?
About 33,000 years ago a supernova occured in the general area of the stars known today as Gemini.
That event was visible from what is known today as Arizona.
During that same time there was a Founder who was given no name, actually quite a honor in Western Hemispheric Indigenous Cultures.
He was called in translation, "That One".
Any thoughts?
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Based upon accounts amongst the descendants of "That One" was "Kukulkan".
I mean I am certain many of you understand the tradition of traveling with the wolves but what about the one where the wolves travel with you???
Any thoughts?
I mean I am certain many of you understand the tradition of traveling with the wolves but what about the one where the wolves travel with you???
Any thoughts?
edit on 1-6-2013 by Kashai because: Added content
Technically, reservations are sovereign nations that also fall under US Federal Law.
Now with all social demographics in the US, the farther a person is from the prototypical Anglo-Saxon protestant demographic, the more social economic hurdles there are to overcome; however, all things considered it probably sits better than most throughout the greater part of the country compared to the intercity ghettos. Not to say there aren't socio-economic issues relating to those who still reside and partake in reservation living.
Yet the Native American case is somewhat different from other minority groupings. First of all, the situation that led to the hatred in the 18th and 19th centuries was not unlike war time. Once the violence ended, reconciliation could occur and offer a smoother path for assimilation. Unlike African Americans, who were relegated to a lower social caste, becoming ingrained as part of American culture. The caste created a glass ceiling which wouldn't be largely broken through until the civil rights movement.
That warlike stereotype also helped the Native Americans gain a folklore like stature in American History during the early 20th century with the glorification of the West in American pop culture (IE: John Wayne, Louis L'Amour, Zane Gray etc.), and would eventually evolve into the sympathetic underdog. America grew up on the idea of manifest destiny and the Native American saga is interwoven into the tale of who we are as a country.
Now with all social demographics in the US, the farther a person is from the prototypical Anglo-Saxon protestant demographic, the more social economic hurdles there are to overcome; however, all things considered it probably sits better than most throughout the greater part of the country compared to the intercity ghettos. Not to say there aren't socio-economic issues relating to those who still reside and partake in reservation living.
Yet the Native American case is somewhat different from other minority groupings. First of all, the situation that led to the hatred in the 18th and 19th centuries was not unlike war time. Once the violence ended, reconciliation could occur and offer a smoother path for assimilation. Unlike African Americans, who were relegated to a lower social caste, becoming ingrained as part of American culture. The caste created a glass ceiling which wouldn't be largely broken through until the civil rights movement.
That warlike stereotype also helped the Native Americans gain a folklore like stature in American History during the early 20th century with the glorification of the West in American pop culture (IE: John Wayne, Louis L'Amour, Zane Gray etc.), and would eventually evolve into the sympathetic underdog. America grew up on the idea of manifest destiny and the Native American saga is interwoven into the tale of who we are as a country.
edit on 1-6-2013 by Cypress because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by loveguy
Land of the free home of the brave...
Past tense; when considering native tribes who shared the land that no one owned.
Applies only to the native Indians
The European invaders were the persona of the devil - invasion through deceit and sheer violence
Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by IntrinsicMotivation
Nope, I believe in equal opportunity for everyone. I just don't like the "poor me" attitude. I really don't know what you expect out of people. I know you think I am uncaring about Native Indians, but that is not true. I did state Natives did get screwed in their dealings with European settlers. But instead of the knee jerk, emotional reaction what do you want.
I have to say strongly that I totally disagree with you.
There is no ' poor me' attitude being displayed in this thread.
But wounds from the past inflict their damage on the present and the Native Americans were screwed over big style and as is noted on this thread they have some of the lowest life expectancy rates in America and suffer from the continued injustice of social deprivation and poverty of opportunities.
They should be given their lands back - or at least a good proportion of their lands, including the fertiles, mineral rich homelands, not just barren patches in the Nevada desert.
That is not to say that I do not think other groups of people are not screwed over - because I do.
However - I pray that the American People of Turtle Island and the others from the native American peoples, have more of their homelands returned to them.
edit on 1-6-2013 by HelenConway because: (no reason given)
reply to post by IntrinsicMotivation
Yes, this is the question you originally posed and although you're right that these promises were given, the fact that they weren't kept is no different from any other campaign promise that is forgotten as soon as the votes are counted. This may seem like a problem of elected leaders and top down government, but we have to acknowledge that it stems from the ignorance of those casting the votes. The trust that is given in almost every single instance is grossly undeserved and there is no way to hold them to their promises after the fact. We all need to stop depending on people who breathe the rarified air of unregulated power to ensure our ways of life will be improved from one liar to the next. We need to stop looking to them for leadership, look at what they've led us to in the past 240 years. We can't keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.
/rant
I also want to add that a main part of my op was asking why there is no official day, week or month dedicated in remembrance.
I did show 2 presidents that declared and proclaimed such days, but then asked if any member can actually recall these events taking place to which the answer is still NO.
Yes, this is the question you originally posed and although you're right that these promises were given, the fact that they weren't kept is no different from any other campaign promise that is forgotten as soon as the votes are counted. This may seem like a problem of elected leaders and top down government, but we have to acknowledge that it stems from the ignorance of those casting the votes. The trust that is given in almost every single instance is grossly undeserved and there is no way to hold them to their promises after the fact. We all need to stop depending on people who breathe the rarified air of unregulated power to ensure our ways of life will be improved from one liar to the next. We need to stop looking to them for leadership, look at what they've led us to in the past 240 years. We can't keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.
/rant
edit on 1-6-2013 by frazzle because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by frazzle
Yes, this is the question you originally posed and although you're right that these promises were given, the fact that they weren't kept is no different from any other campaign promise that is forgotten as soon as the votes are counted. This may seem like a problem of elected leaders and top down government, but we have to acknowledge that it stems from the ignorance of those casting the votes. The trust that is given in almost every single instance is grossly undeserved and there is no way to hold them to their promises after the fact. We all need to stop depending on people who breathe the rarified air of unregulated power to ensure our ways of life will be improved from one liar to the next. We need to stop looking to them for leadership, look at what they've led us to in the past 240 years. We can't keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.
/rant
edit on 1-6-2013 by frazzle because: (no reason given)
Very well said Frazzle, and I do not see it as a rant.
About the campaign promises, Obama was in his 2nd year of his first term when he made his declaration, but then again he has promised a lot of other things that he has yet to deliver on.
*Still waiting for the CHANGE we were sold on back in 2008*
edit on 1-6-2013 by IntrinsicMotivation because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by IntrinsicMotivation
Originally posted by frazzle
Yes, this is the question you originally posed and although you're right that these promises were given, the fact that they weren't kept is no different from any other campaign promise that is forgotten as soon as the votes are counted. This may seem like a problem of elected leaders and top down government, but we have to acknowledge that it stems from the ignorance of those casting the votes. The trust that is given in almost every single instance is grossly undeserved and there is no way to hold them to their promises after the fact. We all need to stop depending on people who breathe the rarified air of unregulated power to ensure our ways of life will be improved from one liar to the next. We need to stop looking to them for leadership, look at what they've led us to in the past 240 years. We can't keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.
/rant
edit on 1-6-2013 by frazzle because: (no reason given)
Very well said Frazzle, and I do not see it as a rant.
About the campaign promises, Obama was in his 2nd year of his first term when he made his declaration, but then again he has promised a lot of other things that he has yet to deliver on.
*Still waiting for the CHANGE we were sold on back in 2008*edit on 1-6-2013 by IntrinsicMotivation because: (no reason given)
I stand corrected on the timing of that particular little speech but as we all know, Obama has never left off campaigning, especially whenever his approval ratings are tanking hard.
Even so, I don't lay the blame completely at Obama's feet, he takes orders from his handlers and managers just like all the rest of them and if his financial handlers say nay, he buckles prettily.
The whole one nation indivisible thing is a scam and that's why so many people grabbed onto the Lakota Freedom movement. Unfortunately it wasn't enough to unite the tribes for secession ~ because the tribal councils are also handmaidens of federal handlers with the checkbooks.
reply to post by frazzle
I do agree we are living in a rigged system and that the man appointed president does not really call the shots.
It is like this
“Peep out the CONcept, you got PROgress, you got CONgress,
You PROtest in hopes they CONfess, just PROceed on your CONquest”
Another issue I have can be found in my signature.
I do agree we are living in a rigged system and that the man appointed president does not really call the shots.
It is like this
“Peep out the CONcept, you got PROgress, you got CONgress,
You PROtest in hopes they CONfess, just PROceed on your CONquest”
Another issue I have can be found in my signature.
edit on 1-6-2013 by IntrinsicMotivation because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by frazzle
Obama has never left off campaigning, especially whenever his approval ratings are tanking hard.
Well he can stop with it now that he cannot run for reelection in 2016