Shooting at MIT (And continued events in Boston 18-19 April)

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by sheepslayer247

Originally posted by Isittruee
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

Doesn't need to be. Terrorists don't have rights.

That's true...non-American terrorists.

Us Americans have certain rights that cannot be trumped...no matter the charge.

I hope this guy gets what he deserves, but I also hope my rights are not trampled in the process.

Well, I hope he has gets a day in court. I really do. As stated earlier, he could actually be innocent. but we definitely don't need a Jack Ruby going in that hospital...

Do you know him or something? Why are you soo damn sure he is innocent? You feel the need to say that "he could be innocent" in every post you make that it's more than obvious that you believe he is.

He was identified by a man that lost his legs as the one who set the bomb down. The guy on Twitter and msnbc watched him shoot at cops, then plow through them right outside his house. More than enough people saw the guy and you want to rant about "innocent until proven guilty"?

The 3 in Maryland are "in custody, but not under arrest"...

Gretta on Fox says that "in custody" is the legal term for under arrest, and that if they are under arrest, then it means more sinister dealings are going on.

Interesting....

I think that our LEO acted admirably. It could have been so much worse. With that much firepower and explosives on them - what were they planning to do at MIT?

Are there any more bombs? Did he act alone? Did he (American citizen) and his brother (greencard holder) act alone? Or is there something bigger at play here? Scary.

But in watching this unfold - I've no doubt that the "government" is NOT out to get me. No way. Throughout the night in all this madness, guess what. No civilian casualties. Don't tell me my governments not out to protect me, and don't tell me Americans are not united in their diversity. We are. We didn't panic. All hell didn't break loose. So all of the anti-government anarchists in this forum - I say. HA!

We are the land of the free and we are a land of justice. And let this serve as a lesson to the next terrorist who feels their beliefs and agendas should infringe upon others freedoms. We won't let you get away. You can't fade away into the woodwork and turn us against each other. We are united.

Thoughts and Prayers to all the families touched by this devastation.

Cirque

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by AGWskeptic

 

They also had ammunition stashed in places.

Its gotta be at least a 95% probability these turds had help. Even during the Marathon in the way of get away drivers.

A functional fully automatic rifle starts at $10,000 and goes up pretty quickly from there.

They either had funding or training, both require help.

I'm sure there will be more to come.

Originally posted by capone1
Fox News anchor Eric: (paraphrase) "They say he was like any normal college kid who smokes weed and listens to rap music, but, ....etc etc)

Well... we do know he listened to rap and friends stated they smoked pot with him. Not a fan of Fox, but they weren't lying there (for once).

April 4, 2011...

Miranda rights and terror suspects

There was an uproar when it was revealed that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the so-called Christmas Day bomber, was read his Miranda rights. The hysterical reaction obscured a real dilemma for law enforcement: how to obtain what could be vital information about terrorist plots without denying suspects their legal rights. Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. and the FBI have produced guidelines that adroitly balance the two interests.

Issued Oct. 21 but made public only recently, the guidelines will not please those conservatives who insist that suspected terrorists shouldn't be Mirandized at all. But they strike us as reasonable and, equally important, useful in heading off efforts in Congress to weaken Miranda.

The guidelines say that if applicable, "agents should ask any and all questions that are reasonably prompted by an immediate concern for the safety of the public or the arresting agents without advising the arrestee of his Miranda rights." This advice is consistent with a 1984 Supreme Court decision making an exception from the Miranda requirement for questioning motivated by a concern for public safety.

Next, the guidelines say that after public safety concerns have been resolved, agents should promptly Mirandize a suspect. But there are exceptions: situations in which, "although all relevant public safety questions have been asked, agents nonetheless conclude that continued unwarned interrogation is necessary to collect valuable and timely intelligence not related to any immediate threat, and that the government's interest in obtaining this intelligence outweighs the disadvantages of proceeding with unwarned interrogation." This provision pushes the public safety exception to its limit, but it's defensible.

Finally the guidelines remind agents that the Miranda rule is ultimately about ensuring that confessions introduced at trial are not coerced: "The Supreme Court has strongly suggested that an arrestee's 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination is not violated at the time a statement is taken without Miranda warnings, but instead may be violated only if and when the government introduces an unwarned statement in a criminal proceeding against the defendant." The point is that if an agent believes Mirandizing a suspected terrorist would lead to vital information being withheld, the agent can delay doing so — but at the cost of rendering the results of the interrogation inadmissible.

The new guidelines strike a reasonable balance between the needs of law enforcement and the rights of suspects. In fact, they're so reasonable that they shouldn't be limited to terrorism cases but should apply to any case — a gang-related case, say, or a murder plot — in which a suspect may have knowledge of a possible future threat. Singling out terrorism suspects as less deserving of legal protections than others is generally a bad idea. So let's by all means implement the new guidelines, and broaden them beyond terrorism.

Am I incorrect in stating the fact that the FBI still has refused to release any video of Jahar putting the backpack down?

If this got released can anyone post it? Otherwise, we're simply taking the FBI's word on it. Just like we took their word that they had no involvement of the WTC 1993 attacks.

Could someone point me to the footage of them setting the backpack down and walking off. They just spoke of it on the news and I was unaware of them actually having footage of them during the "drop off".

reply to post by nightmare_david


Never said that I felt he was 100% innocent at all. I was stating that no one is sure, he should have a day in court.

Is that not fair? Hell, I thought Osama should've had his day in court.

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
I think that our LEO acted admirably. It could have been so much worse. With that much firepower and explosives on them - what were they planning to do at MIT?

Are there any more bombs? Did he act alone? Did he (American citizen) and his brother (greencard holder) act alone? Or is there something bigger at play here? Scary.

MIT has a nuclear reactor. That would have been a very unpleasant awakening this morning if they had blown said reactor. Talk about the mother of all dirty bombs!

Originally posted by JakSparrow
Am I incorrect in stating the fact that the FBI still has refused to release any video of Jahar putting the backpack down?

If this got released can anyone post it? Otherwise, we're simply taking the FBI's word on it. Just like we took their word that they had no involvement of the WTC 1993 attacks.

Thank you!!

My point exactly.

Originally posted by JakSparrow
Am I incorrect in stating the fact that the FBI still has refused to release any video of Jahar putting the backpack down?

If this got released can anyone post it? Otherwise, we're simply taking the FBI's word on it. Just like we took their word that they had no involvement of the WTC 1993 attacks.

We have him heading towards the second site with the backpack. We have him at the site where we can see the backpack on the ground. We have him leaving the site without the backpack.

I think it's safe to assume it was him. And we have a civilian who saw suspect #1 put the first bomb down.

I want to bring this up again though, as there's talk of these guys not being alone.

FBI agents interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2011 at the request of foreign government, an FBI official said Friday. The other government - who the official would not name - suspected that Tsarnaev may have ties to extremist groups. The FBI investigated, including interviewing Tsarnaev, but the matter was closed after no derogatory information was found, according to the official.

news.blogs.cnn.com...

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
I think that our LEO acted admirably. It could have been so much worse. With that much firepower and explosives on them - what were they planning to do at MIT?

Are there any more bombs? Did he act alone? Did he (American citizen) and his brother (greencard holder) act alone? Or is there something bigger at play here? Scary.

But in watching this unfold - I've no doubt that the "government" is NOT out to get me. No way. Throughout the night in all this madness, guess what. No civilian casualties. Don't tell me my governments not out to protect me, and don't tell me Americans are not united in their diversity. We are. We didn't panic. All hell didn't break loose. So all of the anti-government anarchists in this forum - I say. HA!

We are the land of the free and we are a land of justice. And let this serve as a lesson to the next terrorist who feels their beliefs and agendas should infringe upon others freedoms. We won't let you get away. You can't fade away into the woodwork and turn us against each other. We are united.

Thoughts and Prayers to all the families touched by this devastation.

Cirque

Yep. Jon Stewart said it best during his closing "Rally to Restore Sanity" speech. He said think of Americans of every race and religion driving on a highway in their vehicles while merging together. You go then I go...I go then you go...but there are assholes who speed down the shoulder trying to get ahead without a care for the other drivers. Those people are the vast minority.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by JakSparrow
Am I incorrect in stating the fact that the FBI still has refused to release any video of Jahar putting the backpack down?

If this got released can anyone post it? Otherwise, we're simply taking the FBI's word on it. Just like we took their word that they had no involvement of the WTC 1993 attacks.

Have you ever heard of them releasing key evidence during an active manhunt unless it helps them catch the guy?

I haven't.

Give it some time, the events will be clear in time. Right now it's still a very active investigation. Look at the witch hunt on 4chan, they don't want to feed that paranoia with more ammo,

Originally posted by AGWskeptic
A functional fully automatic rifle starts at $10,000 and goes up pretty quickly from there.

SNIP

Where in Blue hell did you get that number ?! That number is so off.
Not here to talk guns but it's not hard to take a semi and turn it into an auto for a few bucks.

reply to post by Doodle19815



I heard they had footage but were saving it for later (investigation,trial, etc)

They only released the photos they did for public ID purposes, not public validation of criminal acts.

reply to post by Zarniwoop


Ah, thanks. Thought I missed something there for a minute.

Originally posted by Doodle19815
Could someone point me to the footage of them setting the backpack down and walking off. They just spoke of it on the news and I was unaware of them actually having footage of them during the "drop off".

Appears theres no footage of Tsarnaev placing anything anywhere, whether ground, garbage, etc

Navy seals had backpacks in case he failed to perform. There are photos of that.

reply to post by ManiShuck


yes they actually had footage from Lord & Taylor of one of them leaving the backpack and walking off.

DirtyD:

The USA! chants are nauseating.

Absolutely agree. America won nothing here, but lost credibility. Two individuals took on the might of Rome, and although one's dead and the other captured, they managed to inflict wounds and shutdown an entire city. What message does that send to others of their similar thinking ilk?

AGWSkeptic:

Shortly after that they had a guy on saying that he felt this was the start of something rather than the ending.

Indeed. Two bogey men have been caught. Under the world's gaze they showed what to do and how to do it. Other's may now be waiting in the wings and do it better. The only way to switch this cycle of violence off is to change your policy to winning hearts and minds. Take away the reasons for terrorism, and you will truly have something to celebrate, but you cannot do it with guns.