Noticing a bad trend on ATS, it's sad...

Discernment is what ATS could use ALOT of. See my signature.

reply to post by EA006


Yeah, infact the person who was overseeing the drill was on GMTV the morning after the attack commenting on what a coincidence it was - not sure where the other poster was getting his information from, I'm pretty sure the government even used the fact to explain the less than stellar reaction times.

reply to post by MaxSteiner


Agreed.

reply to post by winofiend


I think you missed my point or I wasn't specific enough there. I was responding to the last line of the post asking the question:
" How do you decide which crime is the government and which is some nut and which is some radical?"

The answer is Evidence

reply to post by Springer


If we don't know, then we don't know, but we are at the whim of the media and government spin which you seem to not have a problem with.

Why not take this stance against the amazing amount of garbage about who and what are responsible that plays like a set-piece everytime.

Why do the "Media" and "Government Spokespeople" get to say anything without evidence and no one is allowed to question or see ANY of the actual evidence ever !

The spin from the licensed media and official sources gets swallowed even if retracted, used for agendas CONSTANTLY but oh no how DARE the peasants get involved in the mix, now that is real danger !

reply to post by ParasuvO


Damn good point, having watched the news unfold there were some crazy ass claims making the rounds coming from the media.

I think there's another very important role that these discussions in the wake of tragedies serve as well, by conjecturing on all the reports as and when they emerge we build a useful record of data that would otherwise be lost when the official story changes.

And I can't imagine curious internet searchers coming to this site for conspiracy themed conjecture on current events is all that bad for the sites advertising revenue either.

Originally posted by onequestion
I notice after an event there is an almost robotic response from everyone on ATS. False flag, government psyop, and a plethora of threads relating to whatever happened. Now, I have even guilty of this in the past so in not excusing my own behavior.

We don't have enough information collectively to accuse the government t of a false flag and probably won't untill we see how the situation is handled. So lets put that to rest untill we have enough information collectively to really assess what's going on.

Now, we need to sit back as stop going for stars and Gmas and realize the ravity I the situation here.

People were hurt. A lot of them. This also wasn't the only situation that happened today. Others happened across the globe as well. People were killed and hurt there as well.

A bomb went off on us soil. This isn't good. Things are getting worse and there is more to this then stars and flags people. Get it together.

Isnt the point of this website to question the official story? I dont see a problem with people asking questions and putting facts together independantly.

Pardon me for not believing what proven liars (the mainstream media/govt) say about an incident.

I guess you just want us to get in line with the rest of the sheep and buy into the official story and go about our lives like everything is fine and dandy. No thanks, I will stick with the "conspiracy theorys".

I'm a new member but have been checking ATS several times per day for about five years now. It's one of my favorite sources for news and such. I totaly gave up on the standard news outlets, thanks to ATS.

It's been very interesting to see the changes take place over that time period. In my opinion this is a very different place now. I completely agree that the trends seem less productive these days. I feel like I don't see as many believable experts in some of the relevant fields lately. When they do show up, an argument breaks out and the good stuff is buried.

Still gets checked several times per day and I love it dearly but I don't read near as many entire threads as I once did.

I understand the point of the thread, don't always jump to assumptions and forgot the main events, the deaths and that, but this is an open minded ,conspiracy based site its going to happen.

reply to post by Nicks87


I agree with questioning the official story but the story has to actually happen before we can question it. It takes time to get enough information from our little houses on the internet and to read twitter and facebook and watch videos and get the stories from locals and all of this. We cant just have something happen and be calling it a false flag within 10 minutes.

Like another poster above stated, we could use some better discernment.

As I was just hearing about Boston, I was shocked at most of the top comments of most media outlets. More and more common people were saying that it was suspicious. More of my "normal" friends were sharing images of things they thought were just outright weirdly coincidental(like the drill thing). I think people are becoming suspicious of our government. I was barely 16 when 9/11 occurred, I was in fourth grade when the OKC bombing took place, and at those times, I was never suspicious. The thought of war in America scared me, but my life has been so relatively peaceful that the idea seemed too absurd. Now, we have endless amounts of instant information. We're getting all the ideas, not just the one's the media gave us. Places like ATS has given me a lot of knowledge in things that I have always taken an interest into, but some of it must not be taken seriously. Some of it is so coincidental, it's hard not to at least wonder. Especially when we have seen evidence that suggests a corrupt set of people running our government. Sometimes the information gets muddled, and it's harder to get accurate information. On two different websites today they reported opposite things about the suspect being taken into custody. Just like with Sandy Hook, there were so many different stories..people naturally became suspicious. It's like the game of telephone, who is saying the correct words, and who is flubbing the words on purpose? I see people post links all the time, and some will quickly disregard the info because it's not a credible source. Which sources do we go to and trust, media is no longer trustworthy. So who is more credible, someone's uncle Bob, or a biased media agency? We're all biased in some way or another. I don't agree with the harassment of victims. I don't care if you think they're involved in something conspiratorial, there are victims, people that have lost family..and even if people think that injuries were faked or not real..c'mon. I had someone tell me that my photos from the Joplin tornado were all photoshopped and fake. I was there, heard the sirens, heard the horror over the Joplin radio station when the tornado was passed and yet people are so caught up in this idea that it's all constructed into an illusion. That tornado shook me to the core, and while I didn't lose anyone I loved, I still felt for them. There were streets upon streets that were demolished, so harassing me about it, didn't solve any mysteries. It helped no one. Conducting a respectable interview is one thing, and going to a man that lost his child and accusing him of something horrific is another. That's just my opinion on that.

Originally posted by Nicks87

Isnt the point of this website to question the official story? I dont see a problem with people asking questions and putting facts together independantly.

Official story : 2 bombs went off at the marathon in Boston. Nobody knows who did it or why. The bombs look as though they were in a pressure cooker filled with ball bearings and nails. (This is consistent with injuries sustained.)

That's all there is "officially" as you put it.

Everything else is idle speculation That rabid idle speculation "Its a false flag" based on what evidence ? Zero. Only a paranoid belief that everything the MSM is lies which by the way it is not. The vast majority of inconsistencies in the media is journalists scrambling for " a big story". Too lazy to confirm reports (DUH ATS members are guilty of that). Or simply screw ups. You know the things we all do in our own places of work but it does not get broadcast. You identify the truth by cross referencing stories from multiple sources of different political persuasions and different countries. Hey presto...guess what...the vast majority of what is reported is exactly as stated. The problem is it doesn't tie in with orgasmic conspiracy theory.

There is currently:

Zero evidence for a false flag
Zero evidence for a domestic terrorist
Zero evidence for an islamic terrorist.
Zero evidence for a holographic projection (I remembered that ridiculous nonsense from 911)

Now for some reason you want us to consider the first on the list or be called sheepies........hmmm.....

reply to post by yorkshirelad


Let me reiterate that its more then Boston, i was trapped myself by the hysteria during the school shooting in CT. Rather then focus on a specific event lets focus on why everyone is calling everything a false flag.

reply to post by onequestion


You still don't know ?

It is because we never get fed the real truth about any of these situations, for a large number of reasons.

False stories/slanted reporting about what has happened literally EVERY time the news reports something , how could people ever believe anything straight up ?

People USED to believe straight up, and it did not help at all.

Face it, if anyone needs to be blamed for people responding this way , it is NOT the people responding this way.

We are flat out done with having asinine agenda ridden fairy tales told to us about every dynamic event.. just who is it that gets the final say when all is said and done ?? Even THAT won't be allowed for public consumption.

In all honestly, who cares.....if someone has a specific idea about an event or subject and you want to write a thread about it.....then go ahead. I am sure someone will agree with you, as to those who don't, then you have a discussion about the matter.

A thing I have noticed on ATS lately is this attitude:




Do some of you get depressed that a conspiracy community have individuals who see false flags in everything? Are you surprised? I thought it came with the territory.

reply to post by onequestion


Life would improve if everyone would turn off the news. Stop following your Twitter. Steal the beast of its life supporting revenues.

When Sandy Hook happened, I was aware of it happening. Not much more. I don't watch TV any more, and work really hard to not put "news" into my head. It is as bad at being intellectual junk food as 20,000 kids and counting.


When I was 18 I described the perfect movie for me: either boobs, guns, or explosions are a prerequisite. I increasingly made fewer and fewer exceptions. Nowadays I watch football and Duck Dynasty. Since it isn't football season anymore....my choices have become much more limited.

Boobs, guns, or explosions. A simple litmus test.

Not everything is a false flag but a lot of important negative events tend to get triggered by false flags. It has been like this for a long time. It goes back before the events of 9-11-2001. Some say WW2 and the vietnam war were triggered by false flags as well. Guess its tiresome waiting for your opponent to attack so instigate yourself and let the fireworks explode then.

Whatever. I am tired of this overblown and mismanaged statism plaguing america and many other countries. We need a smaller and more honest government. I don't know if the answer is libertarians, constitutionalists or greens, but the two big ones need to get out of town.

I believe all TC is advocating is some incredulity and open-mindedness in both directions.

If it's reasonable to say that not every event that transpires is a false flag (and it is,) then it's also reasonable to say that some events that take place are genuine. If some events are genuine (and they are,) and we don't know all the facts about a given event (we often don't,) then it behooves us to remain open-minded toward the possibility that the event in question may be genuine.

Speculation is welcome. This is a conspiracy theory oriented website. But we must, in my opinion, frame it as such - theory - and not find ourselves off and running on tangents, embracing the various colors and varieties thereof as truth, and potentially deluding ourselves because of the desire to find hidden realities which may or not be there.

Peace.

Originally posted by AceWombat04
I believe all TC is advocating is some incredulity and open-mindedness in both directions.

If it's reasonable to say that not every event that transpires is a false flag (and it is,) then it's also reasonable to say that some events that take place are genuine. If some events are genuine (and they are,) and we don't know all the facts about a given event (we often don't,) then it behooves us to remain open-minded toward the possibility that the event in question may be genuine.

Speculation is welcome. This is a conspiracy theory oriented website. But we must, in my opinion, frame it as such - theory - and not find ourselves off and running on tangents, embracing the various colors and varieties thereof as truth, and potentially deluding ourselves because of the desire to find hidden realities which may or not be there.

Peace.

Well said... i just wanted to quote you to reiterate what you said because i couldnt have said it better myself.

Originally posted by Nicks87

Originally posted by onequestion
I notice after an event there is an almost robotic response from everyone on ATS. False flag, government psyop, and a plethora of threads relating to whatever happened. Now, I have even guilty of this in the past so in not excusing my own behavior.

We don't have enough information collectively to accuse the government t of a false flag and probably won't untill we see how the situation is handled. So lets put that to rest untill we have enough information collectively to really assess what's going on.

Now, we need to sit back as stop going for stars and Gmas and realize the ravity I the situation here.

People were hurt. A lot of them. This also wasn't the only situation that happened today. Others happened across the globe as well. People were killed and hurt there as well.

A bomb went off on us soil. This isn't good. Things are getting worse and there is more to this then stars and flags people. Get it together.

Isnt the point of this website to question the official story?

Question EVERY SINGLE OFFICIAL STORY?

And I love how we're sheep because we use DISCERNMENT! Folks should try it sometime.