Noticing a bad trend on ATS, it's sad...

reply to post by yorkshirelad


There may be zero evidence for a hologram in this case, but it can not be ruled out.

reply to post by Hopechest


There is plenty of evidence of a New World Order.

Right here you can start with George Bush Senior giving a speech and using those words specifically.

Other examples are here and here

Looking at what is called An Official Story is also a theory until has been tested and proven.

Long standing official stories like The Gulf Of Tonkin Incident have been proven to false and a government lie and people called those who questioned it a conspiracy theorist when they were 100% correct and then 65,000 Americans and over 1,000,000 Vietnamese died. Interesting that someone would be on an alternative/conspiracy website and speak out against alternative/conspiracy theories.

Yeah, but isn't this a website to discuss alternative views?

Yes, but the issue is that people claim it's a false flag with absolutely no proof, whatsoever. Within an hour of it hitting the news, there are people claiming it's a false flag event. That isn't expressing an opinion, it's expressing a bias. And it would be kind of nice to be recognized as the site to go to if you want intelligent dissection of an event, so that we can come up with logical, sound conclusions - instead of the site where you are guaranteed to get the "omg false flag"! crowd.. or the "omg chemtrails! omg I hate America omg aliens can't exist" crowds.

The issue isn't differing viewpoints. The issue is posts without reading the thread, without researching the topic, without doing anything other than immediately taking the offensive (or defensive) on a topic you feel passionate about. There are some really well thought out threads, which I appreciate. And then there are a heck of a lot of answers to posts that have no logic, no common sense, and are obviously full of bias and predetermined opinions without hearing the facts.

We've been lied to too many times about too many things, and continue to be lied to about a multitude of issues even when all evidence points to the contrary regarding said issues, and the mainstream media is just another arm of the same beast. It's only natural for people to start assuming the worst, you can't trust a damned thing they say, they're all rotten.

Personally I'm far past the point of "Well, they've never been before, but maybe this time they're being honest."

Doesn't it seem odd that the "bombing" took place in April, the only month containing April Fool's Day? It's as though someone involved in the planning wanted to embed a clue indicating that it was a 'prank', or more clearly a 'hoax'. He(or she) couldn't have set it right on April 1st, that would be too obvious. It's only discernible to the esoteric mind. Also, as to the 'Family Guy' angle? The name of its creator, Seth McFarlane, could easily stand for:
S=See
E=Exploding
T=Tragedy
H=Here
and:
M=Massive
A=Allout
C=Conspiracy
F=From
A=All
R=Rotten
L=LEOs
A=And
N=No
E=Evidence

Clearly indicating that corrupt law enforcement officers were involved. Also, it took place on Earth, where many other bombings have occurred! Could this all be coincidence? Wake up, sheeple!

I know I will repeat some things others have posted, but I feel it needs repeating. As you can tell by the little bar thing to the left, I have been a member since 09. You can also tell my post count is very low. The reason it is this way is because the way I choose to take advantage of ATS. I come here because there is no filter. Every idea is represented by the awesome members here. I may not agree with most, or even think they are not insane sometimes, but I want their opinion. If I wanted filtered information, I would pull up one of the propaganda news media sites and read that. I think the reason there is an influx of new and sometimes confused people is very simple. They know something is wrong, but can't seem to articulate what it is. This leads to general accusations even though they may not even fully understand the accusation. Anytime the government does something underhanded, automatically the term they are most comfortable with comes out. The key is education of the newer members, so they can have a fuller understanding of the concepts that we like to post about. Here is an olive branch of sorts from me. This is a link to the first of 7 hour long videos, that gives the basics of my favorite topic. Please respond in kind and educate the others on your favorite topic so we can have full intelligent conversations.

archive.org...

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I see what your getting at billy and thats a very very good point which i havent considered.

This is what i got from you...

A lot of new and confused members are still figuring things out and this is apart of the process.


Great, your right i shouldn't assume everyone is where im at.

You completely changed my mind with that post.

Originally posted by fleabit

Yeah, but isn't this a website to discuss alternative views?

Yes, but the issue is that people claim it's a false flag with absolutely no proof, whatsoever. Within an hour of it hitting the news, there are people claiming it's a false flag event. That isn't expressing an opinion, it's expressing a bias. And it would be kind of nice to be recognized as the site to go to if you want intelligent dissection of an event, so that we can come up with logical, sound conclusions - instead of the site where you are guaranteed to get the "omg false flag"! crowd.. or the "omg chemtrails! omg I hate America omg aliens can't exist" crowds.

The issue isn't differing viewpoints. The issue is posts without reading the thread, without researching the topic, without doing anything other than immediately taking the offensive (or defensive) on a topic you feel passionate about. There are some really well thought out threads, which I appreciate. And then there are a heck of a lot of answers to posts that have no logic, no common sense, and are obviously full of bias and predetermined opinions without hearing the facts.

which is exactly waht you are doing here

and to all you DONT SHOW PICTUERS TYPES
CNN is showing pix of the "Possible BOMBING Suspect"

better get over there and tell them not to cover the news
might expose the guilty

Originally posted by onequestion
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This is what i got from you...

A lot of new and confused members are still figuring things out and this is apart of the process.


Great, your right i shouldn't assume everyone is where im at.

Yes and no, you missed the most important part. Don't hesitate to educate them, they are the future teachers of others who will get what you know to be true out there to the masses. One person who knows the truth does the rest of the world no good. One person who teaches the truth will have an army to change the world.

reply to post by bill3969


Ahhh, even better. Couldnt agree more.

Do you think this could be another false flag covering up for another false flag that occurred in the 2002 false flag that got dismissed as a false flag than was reopened to another false flag in 2006?

Mmmmmm....Curious...

Could this whole thread be a false flag to distract us from the other thread that is the truth...

If I see those two (2) words again, I'm going to throw myself off a building...!!

Yes, Echelon is Batman.

To the extent that any outdated hot keyword can BE an imaginary hero, Echelon is Batman.

Seriously, though. Elves told me.

Originally posted by dontaskmeimfrommars
Seth McFarlane, could easily stand for:
S=See
E=Exploding
T=Tragedy
H=Here
and:
M=Massive
A=Allout
C=Conspiracy
F=From
A=All
R=Rotten
L=LEOs
A=And
N=No
E=Evidence

Wake up, sheeple!

But then, that means that the Real Bombers were Seth`s Parents, as they were the Ones to Name Him.

You are a Clever Monkey, you Solved the Mystery.

The only trend I notice, is people turning a blind eye to video/picture/eyewitness account EVIDENCE that leaks out -- that contradicts "official statements" given by the government and mainstream media. And them STILL clinging to the mainstream teleprompter statements that are read to them!

"They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." -- Gerald Massey

Well, in my case, I just recently heard Jesse Ventura reveal that Colonel McNamara admitted that the Gulf of Tonkin incident never occurred, and that we were led into a war based on a lie. How long did that war last? Remember any awful, emotionally scarring photographs from that war? Well, I do. How many years have people who promote peace been spied upon as "enemies of the state?" So, If the Vietnam war lasted 10 years, I think I will just choose to be mad about that for a while. Fair enough? How long should I be mad? About 10 seems like a just amount of time. So, well if out leaders do not understand the concept of character building, and now the world does not see our country as a noble power any longer, who can blame them? I don't expect much more than lies and tax enforcement from our government any longer. I have come to know them as an evil relative or something like that. I just think it is reasonable to avoid him, and if his name comes up, best to shift the topic. No one wants to talk politics it is just a shame....so when something bad happens, I would also first off wonder where is old cousin ? That is just how that works.....

I think posting threads about things you've just noticed about ATS that you don't like is becoming a trend.

And besides, this isn't a recent trend. It's been going on forever here, especially considering the fact that this is a conspiracy website.

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you see a bad trend of conspiracy ideas being thrown around lately , on ATS no less.
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Get of your erh ,high horse already.

Really?? People come to this site touting conspiracy theories? Damn, whats this world coming to.

reply to post by onequestion

We don't have enough information collectively to accuse the government t of a false flag and probably won't untill we see how the situation is handled.

Oh?

It has been reported that HBGary Federal was contracted by the U.S. government to develop astroturfing software which could create an "army" of multiple fake social media profiles.
en.wikipedia.org...

HBGary's high-volume astroturfing technology and the Feds who requested it
boingboing.net...

Astroturfing refers to political, advertising, or public relations campaigns that are designed to mask the sponsors of the message to give the appearance of coming from a disinterested, grassroots participant. Astroturfing is intended to give the statements the credibility of an independent entity by withholding information about the source's financial connection. The term is a derivation of AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to look like natural grass.

Astroturfers use software to mask their identity. Sometimes one individual operates over many personas to give the impression of widespread support for their client's agenda. Some studies suggest astroturfing can alter public viewpoints and create enough doubt to inhibit action.
en.wikipedia.org...