Let's Talk About True Sacrifice: Part 2

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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Oh sure, serve him or die.

Nah... that's just the "Christian" biblical view... Meaning taking the entire bible as "the word of God"

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Okay then, what choices are we given?

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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Okay then, what choices are we given?

We're free to do as we please... Crowley actually said this... He was a brilliant man, but quite deceptive...

The thing is that statement is incomplete...

While its true that the law is... You shall do as Thou wilt... this statement fails to acknowledge God as any part of the equation

We can do as we please... but there will be consequences to our actions (or lack there of)

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What if you despise any and all gods but live a good upstanding life?

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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What if you despise any and all gods but live a good upstanding life?

Why should you be punished because a corrupt organization says you're a sinner?

Or because a book from millennia ago says "sinners are dammed"

IF anything... the reason for most peoples "unbelief" is because man has never shown any example of God though man made religions...

It comes down to who you chose to be in this incarnation.... Not what you chose to believe according to religion...

Beliefs mean nothing for the most part... its what's in the heart that counts

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Do you have any scripture that supports this theory explicitly?

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Do I really need it?

Why would you want scripture if you don't have any beliefs in the book?

Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
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Vethumanbeing If my train of thought doesnt make any sense to you why do engage me? I can mail you the super secret "Ovaltine" code ring to decifer them..steam of conciousness is a French thing and I personally apologise for Sartre, Decartes and the whole of the nation blast them (those Normans they burned Joan of Ark and William the Bastard conquered Southern England).

Wanderingscribe
I respond to you because you directed your psychobabble at me. I wouldn't need a decoder ring to translate your spiritual jargon if you just spoke in clear, concise sentences, instead of stream-of-conscious narrative which rushes all willy-nilly between ideas without a central focus. Oh, also, by the way, stream-of-consciousness is a narrative term that was coined by American psychologist William James; not something the French invented.

You mean William James invented existentialism transmuted it to the French and behold we have the best films ever; OR the best WARS against the British EVER. Proust WOULD DISAGREE.

Vethumanbeing Me TOO!. I actually have a sun allergy, too much Vitamin D gives me rashes and pinkeye or causes me to sprout feathers in the phoenixian bird fashion. Your motor is in your heart, wether you want to call it as consciousness is your problem. Its your soul that is the powerhouse. Heart/mind keep thinking. Brain can die, as long as your heart continues to by (water, blood, electromagnic/chemical energy transfer, you could live forever).

Wanderingscribe
The heart is a muscle; all muscles (as part of the nervous system) are ultimately controlled by the brain. At brain death the muscles (including the heart) cease to function. If you want to believe, like the ancient Egyptians, that the heart is the seat of the personality, and continues to subsist after brain-death, then that is your choice. It is the wrong choice, and one which had been disproved by modern biology; but it is your choice to make none-the-less.Also, no thing is perfect, and no thing lasts forever. Our bodies biologically evolved to decay, and ultimately fail, just like everything else which exists. Death is a certainty, perhaps the only one in all of existence. You cannot live forever, no thing can.

How is it persons lived in Noahs or Melchizedeks (Priest of Salem) times lived to be 750 years old?

vethumanbeing Theory; since when have I ever submitted a paper to J.A.M.A.? The soul is your compact individualized SELF. Small body? radiation is what powers your body, through the air you breath, the substances you eat photosysthesis; its a natural process that humans consume energy provided by the Sun whatever energy youd like to tag it as is well up to you (microwave energy). DEVIL nonexistant for you. God not existant for you. No Christ, anti-christ. Evil men that are still trying to kill the WORLD of the insect specie would best describe it.

Wanderingscribe
Eating is not photosynthesis. Humans don't perform photosynthesis; we cannot directly absorb sunlight and use it for sustenance like plants do.Small body radiation is another term occasionally used for the black-body radiation that humans and other existent things emit as infra-red energy (most typically). This radiation, however, is not what powers the human body.Your sentence: "DEVIL nonexistant for you. God not existant for you. No Christ, anti-christ. Evil men that are still trying to kill the WORLD of the insect specie would best describe it." doesn't make a lick of sense. Maybe try re-writing it, with more concise clauses, clearly defined subjects and objects, and try not to lose your train of thought halfway through. It might be easier to understand what you were trying to say then.Anyway, I think I'll take your advice. Seeing as your metaphysical mumbo-jumbo is just that: empty of substance, and chock-full of woo, I'll just ignore your replies from here on out, as you don't know what you're talking about.~ Wandering Scribe

WELL THATS A RELIEF. No need to worry anymore in regards to your souls progression one down only 5.99 billion souls to go. Sure your not French with an AX to GRIND, maybe free French (resistance fighters) or Vischi (socialist).

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Because any argument is likely to be accompanied by Scripture?

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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Because any argument is likely to be accompanied by Scripture?

Nah... only when I deal with those of Christian orientation...

I prefer to speak from the heart...

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Well, I do appreciate your input.

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Can we bring this back to the actual topic?

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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Well, I do appreciate your input.

you're quite welcome... By the way

True sacrifice is Selflessness...

I think I said that in your other thread on this issue though... I forget

Originally posted by Akragon
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God can have my soul, as long as He let's His more intelligent creations, us, have final say on the world, and how we live, and what is best for our species.

What make you believe he doesn't give us the final say?
Unfortunately the "less intelligent" creations are the minority in this world... and the Minority doesn't rule...

God can have Wanderingscribes soul as it realises its going back to its source anyway, as we all will eventually, problem, God fails to recognise Wanderings soul as it does not believe in God or Hell, so its soul is going where exactly? No point (does not understand soul speak or selfdome) Wandering arrives at the LeBrea Tar Pits and has only one choice, dive in and become part of future palolithic history.

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hmm..

I don't believe in Hell either so... where does that leave me?

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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Can we bring this back to the actual topic?

Absolutely, where do I start, rewriting the OP AS MINE AND MINE DETERMINED. What was the actual topic by the way I tend to drift.

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Try reading the original post of this thread.

Originally posted by Akragon
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hmm..

I don't believe in Hell either so... where does that leave me?

Leave Hell behind you RUN!! You create your scenario just as 72 virgin Hydras await you on that beachfront after you have martyized yourself if you envision it so it happens; you want angels? Sure not a problem. NO HELL NO HEAVEN. You are left with any desire you wish and will MANIFEST (its the genie in the bottle 3 wishes). This only lasts for about 1 week before reality sets in. First One for ME 100 more wishes to forestall my fate; that being, my next incarnation as a human on this planet.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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Try reading the original post of this thread.

Yes true sacrifice: Part 4 Page 2 as yet unwritten; I have faith. Missed one through 3 1/2 and none of 5 as yet. I can only imagine the pressure. True sacrifice is knowing you encarnated upon this planet to change it. Leaving loved ones behind; yet traveling within a soul group valid as humans (family). Just as Jesus did within his family line, not knowing outcomes or anticipating the ramifications of.. As in One family line bloodline has changed the face of the world "Christianity". James was of Jesus blood, there is a lineage out there who is the profliger of it. Jesus? The Grail is the bloodtrail. The sacrifice is in the keeping the hidden grail from the masses. Where are all of the children, Davids house was a large genetic House, was it of cards or substanence?

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I don't think there's such a thing as True Sacrifice (capital letters). There's only a worthy sacrifice, and an empty sacrifice. Anyone is capable of either. It all depends on the context. Specifically, whether the one you're sacrificing for is aware of what you're doing, and accepts your sacrifice.

~ Wandering Scribe