Protestant disinfo debunked-Catholics are also Christians

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888
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Quick question, I'm just curious because I don't know much about you or your religious status...are you Jewish by ethnicity (were you born into the Jewish ethnoreligious group), are you Jewish by conversion (are you a "Gentile" practicing some form of Judaism), or do you just have the word Jew in your screen name for some personal reason?

I am a Jew by faith in Jesus Christ.

So you're a Messianic Jew? I take it that...when you say by faith, you mean by conversion? I'm sorry, I didn't quite understand if you meant by birth or conversion, your answer was a bit vague in relation to my question.

Correct. Christianity is the only valid Judaism. All who convert to Christianity are Jews by faith.

Wait...do you mean that Judaism is the only valid form of Christianity? Or that Judaism is invalid without the belief in Christ? I think you mean the latter, not the former, right?

Okay, I think I'm getting what you're saying. So, are you involved in an orthodox or ultra-orthodox church?

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I have a first class honours in psychology

I lived in Israel for 10 years

I have an ex wife that is Jewish

I have 2 Jewish kids

I speak English Hebrew and Arabic

And I'm still waiting for an intelligible answer from a question posed months ago in a different thread

Not holding out too much hope here

Cody

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
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The only thing that he has in common with the Jews is a fondness for salvation by the Law and works.

We do not teach salvation by the law and works. We teach salvation by grace through faith.

Nope, salvation through grace and faith would mean that a person who was not baptized could be saved by virtue of God's mercy, and you specifically said that could not happen, in this very thread.

You have no faith in a merciful God, you have your slavish devotion to the works that you think force God to save you.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888
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Quick question, I'm just curious because I don't know much about you or your religious status...are you Jewish by ethnicity (were you born into the Jewish ethnoreligious group), are you Jewish by conversion (are you a "Gentile" practicing some form of Judaism), or do you just have the word Jew in your screen name for some personal reason?

I am a Jew by faith in Jesus Christ.

So you're a Messianic Jew?

The only thing that he has in common with the Jews is a fondness for salvation by the Law and works. If you haven't been baptized in the name of "gee-zus" (has to be pronounced exactly that way) by a valid baptizer (ie: another member of his cult, page back about 20 for a complete destruction of that theology, lol) you cannot be saved, even by God's mercy -- because God is held hostage by human actions.

In other words, prior to about five or ten years ago, the population of heaven was one (Jesus), and it's not likely to ever rise much above that. Jesus must really like playing Solitaire, lol.

I'll have to page back and check it out...I'm trying to figure out the hallmarks of how he practices his faith (such as the baptism by a "valid baptizer") because that would give me a lot more insight into how he thinks and why he thinks the way he thinks than his usually cryptic one liners do.

So his church/denomination is only five or ten years old? WTH? What kind of church is he going to? Is it seriously a cult? I mean, really, give me all the details...it's always kinda fascinating to me in an odd sort of way to learn about the weirder "faiths".

LOL...if that's the case, I'm sure Jesus mastered solitaire a LONG time ago if he's been alone for so long...I'm sure he's moved on to FarmVille or Candy Crush

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by cody599
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He's about as Jewish as my teddy bear Hasn't got a clue about Judaism or speak Hebrew. Every practising Jew learns enough Hebrew as a minimum for his/her bar/bat mitzvah.

You haven't answered yet

Define reject

In order to reject you have to first accept

Are you telling me the Jews, Jesus' brothers and sisters are condemned to hell ?

By definition Jesus as a Jew would be as well. I have no recollection of Jesus accepting himself as a messiah

But rather allowing others to make that assumption

Before you give the whole forgive them father bit don't forget you could make the same speech if you truly believe to be follower of Jesus

Cody

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Only those who are born again can enter into God's kingdom.

So original Christians are forbidden heaven as well ?

Let's get this straight

Your point

Jewish ................. No entry
Christian ..................No entry
Muslim ...................No entry

Born again ................. free pass

Good luck with that

Cody

Originally posted by cody599
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I have a first class honours in psychology

I lived in Israel for 10 years

I have an ex wife that is Jewish

I have 2 Jewish kids

I speak English Hebrew and Arabic

And I'm still waiting for an intelligible answer from a question posed months ago in a different thread

Not holding out too much hope here

Cody

Damn...there go my hopes for a psychological assessment of his reasoning.

I don't see much hope for any religious threads he's involved in...but for some reason, I keep trying to figure him out! LOL

Originally posted by jcutler12888
So his church/denomination is only five or ten years old? WTH? What kind of church is he going to? Is it seriously a cult? I mean, really, give me all the details...it's always kinda fascinating to me in an odd sort of way to learn about the weirder "faiths".

His parent religion, Apostolic Oneness Pentecostalism, arose in the early 1900s, and teaches that Jesus is Father, Son and Holy Ghost -- those are just labels put on the different roles that he plays. That's a very old heresy, rooted in ancient Greek theatre and philosophy.

TJ's particular flavour of it is a breakaway sect (of a breakaway sect, of another breakaway sect) led by a complete nut and anti-semite named Gary Reckart, who condemns anyone who doesn't completely agree his beliefs, which include the belief that you have to baptize in the name of "gee-zus" (pronounced that way,) that YHWH is the name of the devil and that words and syllables have secret (and evil) meanings, so he trains his few followers to say "Hallelu-Jesus", because "Hallelujah" actually means "Praise Lucifer".

Among other things, of course.

If you look into "Apostolic Oneness Pentecostalism", it is generally held to be a cult or near-cult, extremely controlling of its members, and Reckart just takes that further to the extreme.

LOL...if that's the case, I'm sure Jesus mastered solitaire a LONG time ago if he's been alone for so long...I'm sure he's moved on to FarmVille or Candy Crush

No kidding, lol

Originally posted by jcutler12888
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Wait...do you mean that Judaism is the only valid form of Christianity? Or that Judaism is invalid without the belief in Christ? I think you mean the latter, not the former, right?

Christianity is the only valid form of Judaism.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
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The only thing that he has in common with the Jews is a fondness for salvation by the Law and works.

We do not teach salvation by the law and works. We teach salvation by grace through faith.

Nope, salvation through grace and faith would mean that a person who was not baptized could be saved by virtue of God's mercy, and you specifically said that could not happen, in this very thread.

You have no faith in a merciful God, you have your slavish devotion to the works that you think force God to save you.

Rejecting God's plan that includes baptism is rejecting His grace. You rejecting the grace that God has provided does not make God unmerciful.

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by cody599
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I have a first class honours in psychology

I lived in Israel for 10 years

I have an ex wife that is Jewish

I have 2 Jewish kids

I speak English Hebrew and Arabic

And I'm still waiting for an intelligible answer from a question posed months ago in a different thread

Not holding out too much hope here

Cody

Damn...there go my hopes for a psychological assessment of his reasoning.

I don't see much hope for any religious threads he's involved in...but for some reason, I keep trying to figure him out! LOL

If you would like to learn about us, you should learn from me, not Adjensen. Adjensen has a lot of hate for us and that causes him to say things about us that is not true. For example... his comment that we follow the law. We oppose law keeping. His hate blinds him to my corrections.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888
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Wait...do you mean that Judaism is the only valid form of Christianity? Or that Judaism is invalid without the belief in Christ? I think you mean the latter, not the former, right?

Christianity is the only valid form of Judaism.

edit on 30-7-2013 by truejew because: Fixed code

Yeah, you said that already and I'm still trying to figure it out. Does that mean all forms of Judaism that don't believe Christ is the Messiah are invalid, therefore belief in Christ is the only valid way to truly be a Jew? I'm just trying to get a better explained answer, yours are rather short and lacking in exposition and I want to fully understand what you're saying.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by cody599
reply to post by jcutler12888

 

I have a first class honours in psychology

I lived in Israel for 10 years

I have an ex wife that is Jewish

I have 2 Jewish kids

I speak English Hebrew and Arabic

And I'm still waiting for an intelligible answer from a question posed months ago in a different thread

Not holding out too much hope here

Cody

Damn...there go my hopes for a psychological assessment of his reasoning.

I don't see much hope for any religious threads he's involved in...but for some reason, I keep trying to figure him out! LOL

If you would like to learn about us, you should learn from me, not Adjensen. Adjensen has a lot of hate for us and that causes him to say things about us that is not true. For example... his comment that we follow the law. We oppose law keeping. His hate blinds him to my corrections.

I'd like to hear what you have to say about it so please, by all means, explain your denomination and it's beliefs, principles, and tenets. For starters, when you say that you oppose law keeping, what sort of law are you referring to?

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Paul, said the following:

Romans 2:28-29 KJV
[28] For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: [29] But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

That same Paul wrote Philippians 3:5.

So I'll ask again, before Saul was Paul was he a Gentile from the tribe of Benjamin?

Also, come to think of it, why was Petter addressing non-Christians as "Jews" when he began his sermon to the people on Pentecost?

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
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The only thing that he has in common with the Jews is a fondness for salvation by the Law and works.

We do not teach salvation by the law and works. We teach salvation by grace through faith.

Nope, salvation through grace and faith would mean that a person who was not baptized could be saved by virtue of God's mercy, and you specifically said that could not happen, in this very thread.

You have no faith in a merciful God, you have your slavish devotion to the works that you think force God to save you.

Rejecting God's plan that includes baptism is rejecting His grace. You rejecting the grace that God has provided does not make God unmerciful.

The situation that Charles1952 posted in that instance was not someone rejecting baptism, it was, explicitly, someone who was unable to be baptized, and you, explicitly, said "too bad, so sad, he's condemned."

Until you change that stance, you're still 100% behind "salvation by works, and works alone."

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People have been getting born again for around 2000 years.

So what about King David? Solomon? Moses? Abraham? Adam?

Are they burning in hell?

You just said only people who are born again can enter heaven.

Originally posted by jcutler12888

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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I'm a Bama fan too! And Colts, in fact I can see Lucas Oil Stadium from the sidewalk in front of my house. And we call Cutler "Santa Claus" because that's where he is from. Santa Claus, Indiana.

Heck yeah, ROLL TIDE!!! Wow, you're that close to the stadium?! That sounds like a Colts fan's dream! Do you get season tickets? LMAO, seriously...he's from a town called SANTA CLAUS? That is ridiculous

Yeah, in southern Indiana. Lol. Google his birthplace.

No, I only go to primetime games because of church.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Paul, said the following:

Romans 2:28-29 KJV
[28] For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: [29] But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

That same Paul wrote Philippians 3:5.

So I'll ask again, before Saul was Paul was he a Gentile from the tribe of Benjamin?

Also, come to think of it, why was Petter addressing non-Christians as "Jews" when he began his sermon to the people on Pentecost?

According to the flesh, Saul, before Christ was a Jew, but it is the spirit, not the flesh that makes one truly Jewish.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by truejew

 

The only thing that he has in common with the Jews is a fondness for salvation by the Law and works.

We do not teach salvation by the law and works. We teach salvation by grace through faith.

Nope, salvation through grace and faith would mean that a person who was not baptized could be saved by virtue of God's mercy, and you specifically said that could not happen, in this very thread.

You have no faith in a merciful God, you have your slavish devotion to the works that you think force God to save you.

Rejecting God's plan that includes baptism is rejecting His grace. You rejecting the grace that God has provided does not make God unmerciful.

The situation that Charles1952 posted in that instance was not someone rejecting baptism, it was, explicitly, someone who was unable to be baptized, and you, explicitly, said "too bad, so sad, he's condemned."

Until you change that stance, you're still 100% behind "salvation by works, and works alone."

Who am I to declare someone saved when they have not been born again?


John 3:3-7 KJV
[3] Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. [4] Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? [5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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People have been getting born again for around 2000 years.

So what about King David? Solomon? Moses? Abraham? Adam?

Are they burning in hell?

You just said only people who are born again can enter heaven.

They died before the New Covenant.

Originally posted by jcutler12888
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For starters, when you say that you oppose law keeping, what sort of law are you referring to?

The Old Testament law.