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If they are one, they are the same.

Originally posted by truejew
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If they are one, they are the same.

The Bible says Adam and Eve became one flesh. So since you seem to think "one" means "same" then tell me did Eve have male anatomy or did Adam have female anatomy?

Originally posted by jmdewey60
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. . . if my understanding of the nature of Christ or the Trinity is "cultish" . . .

Does your "understanding" come from your cult?
If so, it is "cultish".
The alternative is to get your understanding from the Bible.
Adventist generally believe that Jesus was "fully" God at the same time as being "fully" human.
Otherwise, they are generally Arian in that God existed before the Son of God.
Personally, I go along with the Arian part but I go with Paul in that he (the future Jesu) emptied himself of those god powers when he became a human, then was filled with all the god nature fufficient for his work on this earth, then upon ascension was given all power and authority until which time as everyone on earth submits themselves to his lordship.

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So, are the SDA's a "cult"?

I don't have conflict with their understanding of Theology Proper or Christology.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Quote me saying "I reject the born again doctrine".

You have been teaching against baptism in Jesus name and Spirit baptism.

No I didn't say that. I pointed out quite a few times now that "in the name of" means "in the authority of", so no I've never taught against baptism in His Name. And I've never said anything about the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I think you are confusing the baptism of the Spirit with an infilling of the Holy Spirit. The apostles "received" the HolySpirit when they believed. They were iI filled with the Holy Spirit initially at Pentecost.

Then they were infilled two other times in the NT. Did you realize they were infilled more than once?

The first thing we must understand is that there’s a difference between the indwelling and infilling (baptism) of the Holy Spirit. When we get saved (born again; give our lives to Jesus), the Holy Spirit immediately takes up residence in our spirit (Ephesians 1:13; Romans 8:9b). It is His presence within that quickens our spiritually dead spirit to life, and brings about a gradual transformation of spiritual growth, gradually graduating toward perfectly reflecting the character of Jesus in our lives (from “glory to glory”, as 2Corinthians 3:18 puts it). This is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

The infilling, on the other hand, is a subsequent experience that begins when we cross the threshold of yielding our inner selves to the pre-existing presence of the indwelling Spirit. In other words, the Holy Spirit, who already lives within our human spirits from the moment of our salvation, saturates us with His presence in Spirit-baptism.

Take note that you can’t be filled with the Spirit if He doesn’t already dwell in you. In other words, Spirit-baptism is only available to born again believers. He can’t fill a spirit that’s still spiritually dead. Now, this doesn’t mean that there aren’t times when a person gets born again and filled at the same time. That’s definitely possible, as being filled is simply a matter of yielding the inner spirit fully to the Holy Spirit—which a brand spanking new convert is perfectly capable of doing.

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All Christians when they are born again, or trust in the gospel of grace so to say, receive the Holy Spirit. It indwells the believer. That's what gives them faith, convicts of sin, comforts, "speaks" to our spirit assuring us we are one of God's children, and gives us the conviction and power to proclaim Jesus is the Lord. That's specifically the reason why I asked you how it's possible a person could put their trust in Christ and proclaim He is Lord without the ministry of the Holy Spirit. The Bible says no man can. So you either have to abandon a theology that goes contrary to that verse in scripture, or you have to conclude that scripture is false. There are no other options.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew
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If they are one, they are the same.

The Bible says Adam and Eve became one flesh. So since you seem to think "one" means "same" then tell me did Eve have male anatomy or did Adam have female anatomy?

That is a different situation unless you are claiming Father and Son are two separate gods.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Quote me saying "I reject the born again doctrine".

You have been teaching against baptism in Jesus name and Spirit baptism.

No I didn't say that. I pointed out quite a few times now that "in the name of" means "in the authority of", so no I've never taught against baptism in His Name. And I've never said anything about the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I think you are confusing the baptism of the Spirit with an infilling of the Holy Spirit. The apostles "received" the HolySpirit when they believed. They were iI filled with the Holy Spirit initially at Pentecost.

Then they were infilled two other times in the NT. Did you realize they were infilled more than once?

Your disagreement with me says otherwise.

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. . . are the SDA's a "cult"?

If someone was so inclined towards cultishness, it presents an opportunity to become a cult to such a person.
Not everyone (most don't) utilizes it in that way.
I think that the true cults are within splinter groups, while the mainstream church does not lend itself so readily to cultishness.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
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. . . are the SDA's a "cult"?

If someone was so inclined towards cultishness, it presents an opportunity to become a cult to such a person.
Not everyone (most don't) utilizes it in that way.
I think that the true cults are within splinter groups, while the mainstream church does not lend itself so readily to cultishness.

Sure, I'll agree with that.

But what about the SDA organization? Where are they is error in their statements on the Trinity, or their Christology that I posted from Adventist.org?

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Your disagreement with me says otherwise.

Appeal to authority fallacy.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

If they are one, they are the same.

The Bible says Adam and Eve became one flesh. So since you seem to think "one" means "same" then tell me did Eve have male anatomy or did Adam have female anatomy?

That is a different situation unless you are claiming Father and Son are two separate gods.

Oh, that's different? I see, so one means not the same and the same both, okay, makes complete sense.

Cognitive dissonance.

And I have never said they are two separate gods, in fact, I have been consistent in numerous thread that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are separate personhoods of the One God.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Your disagreement with me says otherwise.

Appeal to authority fallacy.

You are avoiding the facts.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

If they are one, they are the same.

The Bible says Adam and Eve became one flesh. So since you seem to think "one" means "same" then tell me did Eve have male anatomy or did Adam have female anatomy?

That is a different situation unless you are claiming Father and Son are two separate gods.

Oh, that's different? I see, so one means not the same and the same both, okay, makes complete sense.

Cognitive dissonance.

And I have never said they are two separate gods, in fact, I have been consistent in numerous thread that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are separate personhoods of the One God.

edit on 5-8-2013 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

Your claim is that Father and Son are only one in unity as a husband and wife. Husband and wife are still two separate people as your Father and Son are two separate gods that are only one in unity.

Originally posted by truejew
Your disagreement with me says otherwise.

So now you're equating disagreeing with you with disagreeing with God?

Your theology is idiotic, illogical and anti-Christian. Your leader is a bigot, liar and hypocrite. You yourself openly lie about others, play dumb on basic concepts of your opposition and ignore questions that prove what you teach is false. You've admitted to a long family history of being involved in cults, and then wonder why comments are made about you being in yet another one.

What's not to disagree with?

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Your disagreement with me says otherwise.

Appeal to authority fallacy.

You are avoiding the facts.

What are you talking about?

I have been trying to get you to answer three questions for several days now and you won't address them point by point. And to argue that someone is wrong because they don't agree with you is an appeal to authority fallacy.

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Nope. To be "one" with something means "to be similar or in sync". And I know I have said this an absurd amount of times, but not multiple gods, but one God who exists in three personhoods. You're purposely straw manning my stated beliefs.

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Where are they in error in their statements on the Trinity, or their Christology that I posted from Adventist.org?

What they put out for public consumption, like the web site that you copied from, is not going to have any obviously un-orthodox looking stuff in it.
So the answer to your question is: Nowhere.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Your disagreement with me says otherwise.

Appeal to authority fallacy.

You are avoiding the facts.

What are you talking about?

I have been trying to get you to answer three questions for several days now and you won't address them point by point. And to argue that someone is wrong because they don't agree with you is an appeal to authority fallacy.

Just because I did not give answers that you like, does not mean that I did not answer your questions. As I said each time, you do not have/do those things.

Originally posted by adjensen
So now you're equating disagreeing with you with disagreeing with God?

When I am teaching what the Bible teaches.

I would not exactly call one situation to be a "long family history".


And by the way, Jim Jones started out as an ordained Methodist preacher. My grandparents thought they were joining a Methodist church that taught against racism. My grandparents left as soon as they noticed cult activity.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Nope. To be "one" with something means "to be similar or in sync". And I know I have said this an absurd amount of times, but not multiple gods, but one God who exists in three personhoods. You're purposely straw manning my stated beliefs.

edit on 5-8-2013 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

You are the one saying that Father and Son are only one as a husband and wife are one. Husband and wife are two separate beings.