MSNBC Host: Your Kids Belong to the Collective

That is one creepy woman. Not from that 30 second sound bite. But if you ever watched her talk show........there is definitely something not right with her.

reply to post by Red Cloak


Well put.

However, to be fair, some folks are not reared well nor constitutionally well set-up to resist massive amounts of the globalist oligarchy's very sophisticated brainwashing levels of tons and tons of propaganda.

And, actually, they do select some folks not only for Sandy Hook kinds of operations but also as their useless idiot stool pigeons to make early blathering pontifications of what the globalists want ultimately to become law.

They trot it out first by fringe folks that sound utterly ignorant . . . then gradually with great help from the MSM, other media, the educational institutions they begin to shape the topic toward wholesale acceptance and eventually law.
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Orwell was right.
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Originally posted by Bioshock
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

I just want to state that the initial schools in America existed simply to teach children to read the King Jame's bible. There was once a time that education was a hobby and employers actually taught their employees how to do their jobs.

Note: scam didn't exist in these times.

So is that your solution, then? Going back to that schooling system? Teaching children archaic, violent text about a narcissistic invisible man? Text that has been proven wrong thousands upon thousands of times?

I'm not sure what you're getting at. But, if religion is to be upheld as such and children are seen as the "property" of their parents and not the responsibility of everyone, I'd have to warn you that's a very dangerous combination.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

...This has been by stealth and the media has heretofore not even mentioned it, till recently when Glenn Beck interviewed some people on it...

Journalism at it's finest. What stuff that hardly anyone even realized before he uncovered it did Glen Beck uncover with these interviews?

...The administration has taken advantage of the economic debacle, in that the states need money, and the govt uses money as a way to control the states...

So - the states have essentially prostituted themselves to make a buck?

And sacrificed the minds of our children in the process...

Looks like we're doomed ThirdEye...why, just look at me - a product of the public school system - pink as it gets - and yet, somehow getting pinker all the time

Next stop - Redville

:-)

Originally posted by LightOrange

Originally posted by Bioshock
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

I just want to state that the initial schools in America existed simply to teach children to read the King Jame's bible. There was once a time that education was a hobby and employers actually taught their employees how to do their jobs.

Note: scam didn't exist in these times.

So is that your solution, then? Going back to that schooling system? Teaching children archaic, violent text about a narcissistic invisible man? Text that has been proven wrong thousands upon thousands of times?

I'm not sure what you're getting at. But, if religion is to be upheld as such and children are seen as the "property" of their parents and not the responsibility of everyone, I'd have to warn you that's a very dangerous combination.

uhhmm...you do know that you are typing in a right-wing thread that equates any form of progressive or liberal ideas of government as being the work of evil communists bent on destroying America, right?

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


What I saw of Communism was really not good. Based on the economic aspects of it, it shouldn't equate to repression but in both East Germany and the USSR, that's precisely what I saw. I think that, although the idea of everyone sharing has its appeal because watching people struggle and fall sucks, the actual implementation of such a system denies a human being their natural ambitions. Within hours of arriving in Leningrad, we were approached by black marketers looking to trade things so they could sell our blue jeans to people. Ran into a couple kids that were decked out from head to toe in Mickey Mouse gear, which was pretty surreal. Then there was the contrast between the ghettos where the young woman that I met there lived and the beautiful gated gardens sheltering the homes of the political elite in Moscow. So, even in a scenario where people are supposed to be economically equal, there was still people at varying levels throughout the society that wanted more than others. Considering we have the same scenario with our own system (ye olde 1% lol), I'd say that's part of human nature. The thing is, such tight control most likely led to friction within the USSR and East Germany and that led to repression by the government, which, ironically enough, is similar to what we've had going on here in the US as the income gap widens. I'm not a fan of isms in the slightest for it seems to me that they all look good on paper but rarely work well for long in practice. And really, the communism that I saw was truly a logistical nightmare. In the 80's, the people in these countries were running out of things like shampoo, toilet paper, and soaps for weeks at a time due to failures in one factory or another. Goes back to that old adage--don't keep all your eggs in one basket.

I think the fact that we do have a widening income gap and the recession may be the source why the ideas presented by Communism may have had some increased appeal. However, I will testify that it does not work. China is flourishing economically right now and that probably feeds into it. The thing is, China isn't strictly communistic now and has opened the doors somewhat to capitalism. Even then, the welfare of the people in China is actually pretty questionable when you find reports of factories like Foxconn having their workers committing suicide and rioting due to adverse wages and working conditions. Or entire towns being under siege by the government because the town thought differently. So, no bed of roses there either to any that consider Communism to be a viable alternative.

Going back to the subject of the thread, I can see where the idea of reminding that our children are our future and all play a role in a community is a good one because there are truths to it. Overall though, I'm not a fan of indoctrination by any venue. If you take a moment and consider the links that I originally posted with a better understanding of my position, I have found causes for concern that our government may have been perpetrating for some time. Although these things were occurring in a post-McCarthy era, it's more a testimony as to just how important what we think and how we're educated is to something so seemingly unrelated as our military. That's troubling as I don't want my government to teach my children what to think. I want them to have the tools to come to their own conclusions. Instead of saying that my children belong to the collective, why not teach kids that they will all grow up and interact with each other in the hopes to make our society function better. Ecosystem based type of approach instead of claiming ownership.

reply to post by MountainLaurel

Gonna loot my mistake to respond since what you say in regards to diversity is so true. I have a heavy science background. We're just as much a part of nature as anything on this planet (though we may invasive species--hard to say some days, lol). In an ecosystem, diversity is directly correlated to the ecosystem's health and strength. I don't see how that would be any less applicable for human interactions and thought. Madison considered discourse and differences of opinion to be pivotal to a well functioning democracy (hence the First Amendment being the first!). Diversity of opinion allows for a greater magnitude of reflection and ideas but only if it's used appropriately. I have a real problem when I see people compartmentalizing each other because that effectively shuts down discourse.

I honestly can't believe how some folks are getting all hysterical over a 30 second clip. It is unbelievable. Is mcarthism back and popular or what? Fox News is getting more and more dellusional by the month.

WTF does collectivism have do with NWO? NWO is pure capitalism, the croney type and is part of globalism. People who expect news from Fox News to be true have themselves to blame.

Do I believe in conspiracies? Yes but it has nothing to do with socalism or communism. It has to do with malevolent aliens controlling the planet and their high ranking mason henchmen. You people are looking in the wrong direction.

Sure communism has many faults but so does capitalism. Both are far from perfect!

If people love sensationalism then watch some other Infowars material. There is a video of the bilderbergers attending bohemian groove. AJ was the first to video tape it back in 2000 and its on youtube.

The lady was talking about the community playing an important part in child development, not that children belong to the collective. The children don't belong to anyone, they belong to themselves.

30 SECOND CLIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Aliens? Really dude?

Originally posted by Bioshock
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Aliens? Really dude?

Sure. There is plenty of evidence. Why don't you look for yourself?

It makes more sense then some make-believe communist plot. Communism has died everywhere except NK and cuba. The sanctions on them by the UN were effective. Why do we fear things that are irrellevant?

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


It being irrelevant to this thread is precisely the point. The human species has done nothing but enslave and torture itself since we walked out the cave and now, in modern times, it's because of aliens? You dismiss the idea that the ultra rich want to control the poor, yet instead say aliens are the masterminds?

I'm honestly not sure if you're serious here...

Originally posted by Bioshock
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

It being irrelevant to this thread is precisely the point. The human species has done nothing but enslave and torture itself since we walked out the cave and now, in modern times, it's because of aliens? You dismiss the idea that the ultra rich want to control the poor, yet instead say aliens are the masterminds?

I'm honestly not sure if you're serious here...

Well who do you think gives spiritual power to the monetary elite? What is the eye of horus on the one dollar bill all about? What are demons and angels? You should watch ancient aliens on history channel. The elite are wicked ones.



Everything is interconnected. If you believe in god, satan, angels, demons, etc then believing in aliens should come natural. It does to me. Shapeshifting, multidimensional aliens.

I am not sure if the bilderbergers(billionares and trillionares) are doing mock sacrifice or real.

So read here wiki entry , apparently good education, She is a mom. I couldn't disagree with her more. I think what she stated is just plain stupid. That's ok, smart people do stupid things all the time! Welcome to the human race. My supposition is, that the very fact we as a whole, raise our children in this fashion anyway, if that fact doesn't sink in with her, then she's just missing it. All kids, parents, families communities are different, even based on such simple factors as geography. (I know I would have LOVED walking to school every day if I was in Hawaii instead of the Northeast!) As adults, we're told we have to be role models for our children (poor kids!). IF she's trying to say that if we as adults do a better job at being adults, the majority of children will turn out pretty much ok. DUH! What made my stomach flip about this sound bite is I get the impression she seems to think that there should be some 'official' who makes sure our children are leading active, healthy, educational, and well mannered lives. We already do that. It is unfortunate that there are so many children living on the margins, from maybe a broken home, or with parents that have severe challenges with regard to keeping a roof over they're head and food on the table. My children belonged to me until they got old enough to saddle up, head out the door, and make they're lives. They had some bumpy spots along the way. Some of my sons friends from school
lived with us for a while, simply because they're own home life was so broken, they had no place to turn. They had a place to sleep, something to eat, and always got asked if they got they're homework done. One of these young men is now a deputy sheriff, a dad, a good husband, and a well rounded and respectable person who pays his taxes. His wife had they're first child while they were living with us. So now I have two 'adopted' grand kids, since they have no real ones of they're own. The other young man spent some time in the US NAVY, and is now returning to school to get a degree. If this is the kind thing the professor was trying to get at, then I'm all for it. If by letting these kids stay with our family for a while mad a difference in they're lives, then I'm twice blessed. It showed me my Sons and Daughters are cognizant of the quality of mercy, and that there are a VAST amount of
kids out there on the margins. I had one in my apartment today using my desktop pc to print out directions to a community college she wants to attend! Sometimes kids only need a little nudge, or a little encouragement. Should this young lady decide to go to college, I'm considering giving her this laptop I'm on now for her school work. Sometimes perks help a little too ! and I will consider myself Thrice Blessed, just like old Hermes !

It's very interesting how most of the people in this thread interpret this 30 second clip.

Let me give you my view.

She basically says, that if a child is shielded from a global view of the american society and only influenced by the parents, or what the parents think is right, they may have a wrong understanding of how other social groups actually live in the USA.

You always want what's best for your children, which is the most normal thing in the world.

If you are wealthy you live with other wealthy people in suburbia, teaching your children the market system and conservative views on life and society.

After your kid finishes the local highschool, it will go to a college you can afford and saved for, which you think represents your views.

After this, there are some universities, that provide a good education and are also teaaching what you as parent think is right.

To this point in your opinion and most likely in the opinion of your child, you did everything right.


Public schools, colleges and universties have a bad reputation, because they are underfunded.

If your child has never been in touch with the other 80% of the society, there will be predjudices and fear, maybe feelings of superiority, because they never met each other.

So what she says is:

If we had a well funded system of education, which would grant everyone the same chance, it would solve some social issues and make ppl more aware of the problems and opportunities of the society and the market system.
It would also embrace empathy between children.


www.youtube.com... Brother Ali

reply to post by pjfry


There's the rub....her video is not clear and leaves everyone to try to interpret what her actual meaning is here. And, as you stated, everyone can have a different interpretation of her words. Isn't tht part of what you yourself are stating here, embrace diversity? Embracing diversity is not about getting people to agree with your beliefs, it's listening to differing opinions and making your own decisions. Being open to dissenting opinions is the basis of diversity. And if my opinion is that parents are the #1 influence on their children (or should be), and that the decision to expose them to diverse ideas and cultures is their decision, and not that of the "collective", then you must respect that parent's decision. Otherwise, you are trying to force an opinion upon others, and that is not embracing diversity, now is it?

IMO, the whole idea that the "collective" is responsible for child rearing is to socialist in it's intent, it has not place in the American society. It reeks of control and crushing individuality under the heel of the collective and unification of thought.That is so anti-diverse is would be funny if it were not true.

true, but

you shouldn't close your eyes upon problems and living conditions of other social groups within your society.

Kids are always affected by their parents and their peer groups, when it comes to moral, or bulding an opinion on the world. If you have an isolated playground, where your children grow up, the ressentiments against other groups grow, while the world nowadays is global, not local.

Localy highly sheltered wealthy groups are bad, when it comes reception of equality. They think, because they made it and probably worked hard, everybody has the same opportunities, not considering, that they were sheltered and influenced by their parents and friends, which grew up in the same environment.

When people never meet and only connect through media and hearsay, a society id doomed to be diverted.

You can approach this from a "working poor" or "upper class" view, it works both ways.


...on the other hand she does the Palin, overreacting much...

reply to post by beezzer

It is the progressives that would indoctrinate. It is the progressives that seek a fundamental transformation of the US.

No, it isn't the progressives who think this way (your kids belong to the collective).

They do, however, seek a fundamental transformation of the US and I don't see how ANYONE can argue that it doesn't need to be done. It's way beyond Dem or Rep,Liberal or Conservative. It's about crisis resolution. The system and the nation are broken. SOMETHING needs to change. LOTS of things, actually.

reply to post by wildtimes

I agree it's broken, and I agree something needs to change. However, I do not agree that rampant socialism is the answer. Especially,m how it works so well in China dn the former Soviet Union. Yea, I want to work for 2.50/hr in sweatshop conditions, or wait in line for hours to, maybe, get a roll of toilet paper to share amongst the entire family for a month.

Socialism also fails since it does not take into account the human condition. And, has no place in our society IMO.

reply to post by Krakatoa


Rampant socialism will never take place in this country. And the Right-wing screaming about it are missing the point entirely. They, in fact, are responsible to a large degree for the brokenness.

What do you mean about the "human condition"? If anything, socialism in it's purest form makes sure that everyone is a stakeholder, a shareholder, and entitled to having their basic human needs met.

What we have is an oligarchy, and people shrieking for less Government regulation are part of the problem. The 2008 crash was caused by Wall-Streeters and Big Banks that exploited the lack of Government oversight.

I have two grown kids. One stayed in school and by the sweat of her own work in public school, earned a scholarship and is now a Materials Science Engineer. The other could not tolerate the authoritarian school system, and we agreed he could withdraw. Both are very bright, out on their own, grounded and well-balanced thinkers.

The school system was developed to indoctrinate kids into the industrial drone mindset. It hasn't kept up with the times, and it isn't about "everyone getting a trophy". It's about forumulating curricula that teach critical thinking, humanities, arts, and a well-rounded knowledge of math, history, and the ability to read well and write well.

People who are paranoid and think the government wants to control our every move and dictate every decision are sorely mistaken, and their paranoia is making things even worse - to the point of critical mass. The country is falling apart.

reply to post by wildtimes


You said,

What do you mean about the "human condition"? If anything, socialism in it's purest form makes sure that everyone is a stakeholder, a shareholder, and entitled to having their basic human needs met.

Scenario A:
Person A could work hard, bust themselves to succeed, makes sacrifices in their daily life, to get a scholarship, a high-paying job, a house, whatever. They should be proud of that accomplishment an reap the benefits of that effort.

Scenario B:
Someone does not make the extra effort, and allows the govt to provide a scholarship, high-paying job, , a house, whatever. They make no sacrifices, make no effort, yet they arrive at the same location as person A.

Scenario C:
Person C knows both person A and person B (in some form), and the two path they see end at the same destination. Which do you think they will naturally choose? The harder road fraught with sacrifice and hard work, or the other where everything is provided for you freely by the collective.

The "everyone is equal" mantra is a fallacy since, everyone is NOT equal, and never will be. We are not cookie cutter bags of mostly water, we are individual people with loves, lives, and personal goals and morals thast may be (and usually are) higher than having our basic needs met to keep us alive and working as cogs in the big machine. It also does not take into the account of the human condition that the easiest road to a destination will be taken. The socialist approach provides no incentive to succeed on your own merit, but the live to meet the level of mediocrity. I work with many former east-German and former soviet workers (as well as other nationalities that lived in a socialist environment), and they will tell you the same thing. Success was often punished as not conforming to the norm....you meet the mediocre goals and you are awarded. It's everyone gets a trophy time, just for being alive.