MSNBC Host: Your Kids Belong to the Collective

Originally posted by Bioshock

At what point is "doom and gloom" acceptable? I'm not even saying that what you said was accurate, I'm simply curious. I don't understand the logic behind refusing to read something because it may make you angry, sad or scared. Are these not normal human emotions? The world isn't all sugar and daises. There are insane people in this world that genuinely hate you and I simply for breathing. There is a reason we lock our doors at night.

Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away. At some point all these people that think ignorance is bliss are going to need to come back to reality.

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ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
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At what point is it 'permissible' for the Eloi to [color=6699FF]WAKE UP in their shuffle into the caverns of the Morlachs for dinner?
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I don't understand the logic behind insisting that the Eloi must be quiet in their shuffle toward being the main course.
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I don't understand the logic behind insisting that all is well; nothing here; move along.
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I don't understand the logic behind ignoring all the neon signs on every large surface as vivid handwriting on the wall that we are being deliberately engineered toward a hellish tyranny as fast as they can get away with it.
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George Orwell said that FREEDOM is the FREEDOM to say 2 + 2 = 4. I don't understand the logic behind insisting that 2 + 2 = 666 AND that we have to be quiet about it.
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I don't understand the logic behind insisting that the serfs and slaves must go to the death camps quietly.
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. . . except . . . from the perspective of the elite controllers. [color=6699FF]They have a LOT of logic in insisting on our quietness.
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They have a lot of logic in insisting that our children are their cogs for their machines . . . and in cutting as many parental ties to them as early as they can get away with.

Actually, their ultimate goal is to take sperm and egg and engineer each child to a particular class of cogs without the children ever knowing in the slightest degree who their parents were. Ain't that grand!
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May God have mercy on us . . . at least on those not willfully blind.

Originally posted by coltcall

Originally posted by Metha-Don
Effin commie degenerates.. Looks like we actually lost the cold war.

You've got to admire how the Soviet Union closed up shop and came back as a Capitalist powerhouse controlling much of the energy supply of Europe.

I with you on that one! We are so effen screwed..

Originally posted by Metha-Don

Originally posted by coltcall

Originally posted by Metha-Don
Effin commie degenerates.. Looks like we actually lost the cold war.

You've got to admire how the Soviet Union closed up shop and came back as a Capitalist powerhouse controlling much of the energy supply of Europe.

I with you on that one! We are so effen screwed..

I've personally dealt with Russian capitalists. They freely laugh at how Americans have become pencil neck weaklings who don't know how to benefit from the system.

Russian capitalists are as ruthless as they come.

When it comes to dealing with the Chinese capitalists....just sig a Russian capitalist on them.

Chinese capitalism has as its temporary advantage a huge collective of socialist pyramid building slave labor. But eventually all those mouths to feed become a problem for Chinese capitalism.

Russian capitalism has the advantage of massive land area. Some eleven time zones worth. And the Russian capitalist knows no weakness.

Originally posted by VoidHawk
reply to post by Bioshock

 

Wow! what that woman in the vid said is alarming, and whats even more alarming is the number of people in this thread who just dont get it

I personally did NOT find it alarming at all because the video clip was too short and we have no idea of the context behind her words. Infowars is normally a reliable media source but in this case they made a mountain out of a mole hill. I see it as a filler to keep the network running and certainly one of their poorer attempts at informing.

They have a right wing bias but they tend to be alternative and sincere in what they push.

The message if VERY clear....failure is self perpetuating.

Place all the failures and future failures into the collective so they can procreate more failure.

The family unit is a potentially dangerous source of decentralized power and uncontrolled thinking to a collective thinking government..Destroy the family unit and educate the young in a manner that owes it's allegiance to the collective and you avoid any future resistance.

Originally posted by Bioshock

Originally posted by Morgenstern89
reply to post by BO XIAN

 

I don't "favor" either of them.

The one you favor, though, is intellectually dishonest when reporting, and fully relies on it's audience to use only their base intellect when reading and interpreting their stories. There's something to what they have to say, I'll give you that. But it's about 1000x less severe than they make it out to be.

I'd rather sift through the MSM bull than subject myself to the doom and gloom churned out by Infowars and similar organizations.

At what point is "doom and gloom" acceptable? I'm not even saying that what you said was accurate, I'm simply curious. I don't understand the logic behind refusing to read something because it may make you angry, sad or scared. Are these not normal human emotions? The world isn't all sugar and daises. There are insane people in this world that genuinely hate you and I simply for breathing. There is a reason we lock our doors at night.

Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away. At some point all these people that think ignorance is bliss are going to need to come back to reality.

- Doom and gloom is acceptable when there's a legitimate reason for it. I'm not saying there's not a lot of shady government stuff going on, I'm sure there is, but not -everything- is a conspiracy. I mean just look at this thread. She's just some lady. Just some lady! Some lady talking about how schools need more funding and that having poorly funded schools hurts the kids. That's basically all she is saying, and it's turned into something about the State wanting control over your kids. I mean, are you serious here? Allowing this doom and gloom mentality to overtake the conspiracy community does nothing except ruin the credibility of conspiracy theorists and make everyone look like crackpots. It's already happened, unfortunately. You're all working against yourselves by flipping out over the smallest thing, and not using any critical thinking skills.

- I'm not not reading it because it makes me angry, sad, or scared. I'm not reading it because I've been familiar with Infowars for close to a decade and haven't yet had a bar code tattooed on the back of my neck or been shoved into a FEMA camp. Everyone acts like he's so noble for presenting this "news" to people. He's no better than the rest. He relies on getting hits by writing sensationalist headlines and telling his target audience what they want to hear. That's -exactly- what happened in this case, and you guys can't hear it any other way.

- You lock your doors at night so a crook doesn't break in and steal your laptop and your wife's jewelery, not so that TBTB can't send commandos in the middle of the night to kidnap you and your family. You know as well as I do that if they wanted to a lock on the door wouldn't deter them. The fact that you believe that this scenario is even within the realm of possibility for your average person is very telling.

- I know the world isn't just some happy go lucky place. It's not a matter of preferring ignorant bliss to reality, though, because what AJ pushes isn't reality. Sure, the MSM is sanitized, but at least it doesn't spin things out of proportion with the goal of working their viewers up into a tizzy over nothing.

Originally posted by Morgenstern89
- Doom and gloom is acceptable when there's a legitimate reason for it. I'm not saying there's not a lot of shady government stuff going on, I'm sure there is, but not -everything- is a conspiracy. I mean just look at this thread. She's just some lady. Just some lady! Some lady talking about how schools need more funding and that having poorly funded schools hurts the kids. That's basically all she is saying, and it's turned into something about the State wanting control over your kids. I mean, are you serious here? Allowing this doom and gloom mentality to overtake the conspiracy community does nothing except ruin the credibility of conspiracy theorists and make everyone look like crackpots. It's already happened, unfortunately. You're all working against yourselves by flipping out over the smallest thing, and not using any critical thinking skills.

This is not just some random woman, this person is a MSNBC reporter. She has the eyes and ears of the nation. If this was just some random woman it wouldn't bother me as much as it has, but this is mainstream media. And honestly, what credibility does the conspiracy theory community have as it stands? We're constantly mocked and ridiculed by the media as it is. There is no credibility, there is only fact.

- I'm not not reading it because it makes me angry, sad, or scared. I'm not reading it because I've been familiar with Infowars for close to a decade and haven't yet had a bar code tattooed on the back of my neck or been shoved into a FEMA camp. Everyone acts like he's so noble for presenting this "news" to people. He's no better than the rest. He relies on getting hits by writing sensationalist headlines and telling his target audience what they want to hear. That's -exactly- what happened in this case, and you guys can't hear it any other way.

And yet there is a bar code and Twitter/Facebook code on everything we buy. What was the biblical statement? You can not buy or sell without the mark of the beast? If we're going just by scripture, we're already well done that path buddy.

- You lock your doors at night so a crook doesn't break in and steal your laptop and your wife's jewelery, not so that TBTB can't send commandos in the middle of the night to kidnap you and your family. You know as well as I do that if they wanted to a lock on the door wouldn't deter them. The fact that you believe that this scenario is even within the realm of possibility for your average person is very telling.

That was not what I was saying. I was simply saying the reason we lock our doors is because there are bad people in this world, not that it would deter Government. We all already know that if Government wants to kill us, they will and have.

- I know the world isn't just some happy go lucky place. It's not a matter of preferring ignorant bliss to reality, though, because what AJ pushes isn't reality. Sure, the MSM is sanitized, but at least it doesn't spin things out of proportion with the goal of working their viewers up into a tizzy over nothing.

The MSM doesn't spin things out of control? What about the liberal media refusing to even talk about Fast and Furious? Fox News spins things out of control on a daily basis. What about Benghazi? The MSM is a thousands folds worse than Alex Jones. Does the man push things to the extreme? Yes, but for very good reason. Historically speaking, what Alex Jones talks about is the NORM for our species. Peace and FREEDOM is a very rare thing when it comes to humanity.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
Can this possibly be more sensational? She doesn't say any of those things in the video; what she's trying to get at is that it takes a community to raise a child, which is very true.

It is only true when the community that the child lives in is worthy of raising said child. I happen to disagree. My wife and I raise our children. We seek no outside help as outside help typically creates damage that we have to then undo.

If my community was worthy of raising my children with me, we wouldn't see the current polical regimes.

edit on 6-4-2013 by bigfatfurrytexan because: (no reason given)

Let me explain: your child, as you did, and all children do, undergoes socialization. Community is the foundation for socialization. Your child is a product of his or her community/culture.

Originally posted by Bioshock

This is not just some random woman, this person is a MSNBC reporter. She has the eyes and ears of the nation. If this was just some random woman it wouldn't bother me as much as it has, but this is mainstream media. And honestly, what credibility does the conspiracy theory community have as it stands? We're constantly mocked and ridiculed by the media as it is. There is no credibility, there is only fact.

An MSNBC reporter, sure, but she's still just some lady. They are just talking heads, ultimately what they say doesn't mean anything - especially today when people can check facts for themselves. The person reporting is irrelevant, the story is what matters.

And yet there is a bar code and Twitter/Facebook code on everything we buy. What was the biblical statement? You can not buy or sell without the mark of the beast? If we're going just by scripture, we're already well done that path buddy.

That means nothing. Who cares if there's a bar code on something we buy? My point is that we aren't being forced like cattle into camps and being treated like animals. No one is forcing anyone to use Facebook or Twitter, either.

The MSM doesn't spin things out of control? What about the liberal media refusing to even talk about Fast and Furious? Fox News spins things out of control on a daily basis. What about Benghazi? The MSM is a thousands folds worse than Alex Jones. Does the man push things to the extreme? Yes, but for very good reason. Historically speaking, what Alex Jones talks about is the NORM for our species. Peace and FREEDOM is a very rare thing when it comes to humanity.

The "Liberal Media" not reporting on FAF is an example of the news being sanitized, not being blown out of proportion. I won't argue, it was definitely an example of poor reporting. Fox news does blow things out of proportion, I'll give you that, but I hardly consider them mainstream anymore.

I still don't understand how what AJ does is good. It'd be one thing if he was extreme in his reporting methods in an effort to show people the truth, but he just shows them benign stories with a sinister slant. -That- is what I take issue with most of all.

reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy


My child being a product of our culture is not the same as the community raising my child.

I don't argue that humanity is one large brotherhood. That we are a collective of sorts. But, like the school of fish, we are all a collective of individuals exercising our own free will in a dance amongst each other.

reply to post by Morgenstern89

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Thanks for your kind and substantive reply.

I'm bushed and heading to bed early. May be back up in a few hours.

I'll just make a quick brief reply for now.

I think I understand your perspective.

Given my 45 years of studying globalism . . . I'm increasingly convinced that the worst of Alex J et al is a wimpy description of the degree of evils truly going on under the table and that have been going on for a very long time.

Have you read even 25% of their quotes in their own words here?
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twga...
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I think those quotes too are only the tip of the iceberg.
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I think Allister Crowley's crowing about buggering and IIRC, murderously sacrificing 150 toddler boys a year to satan is more of a hint at the degree of evil involved. The number 150 is his claim. I don't recall for certain what percentage of those he actually sacrificed to satan but all of them would not be far fetched for him, given his values and habits.
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The business of UN AGENDA 21 and the genocidal forced reduction ASAP of the world's population down to 200-500 million is also not exactly a Sonday picnic nor a rosey recommendation to their inclinations toward moderation.
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The Bible is quite clear that this time will be the worst the planet has EVER SEEN and the worst it will EVER SEE AGAIN. That doesn't indicate a moderately troubled time.
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I think the many decades of their MSM brain washing propagandizing plus the innate human normalcy bias all mitigate against really accepting that things are FAR WORSE than even Alex J asserts.
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BTW, I believe that PART of his passion is that he knows a lot more than he's able to tell. I think he lives horrified to the max with a burning desire to wake yet one more father; one more family up.
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I understand that feeling. I've been drug kicking and screaming reluctantly to realize at greater depths, breadths and intensities just how evil the PTB really REALLY ARE.
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I did not want to face it or deal with it. I didn't even want to acknowledge it, really.
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Eventually, I had no choice.

The business of one's children being raised by the satanic globalist state as fodder for their great machine is horrific, to me. Few things get me more angry than child abuse or abuse of animals or defenseless spouses or disadvantaged folks.

To take children away from parents at earlier and earlier ages for longer and longer periods has long been their strategy. They will not be happy until they are using parents merely as sperm and egg donors with the children not even knowing who their parents are and raised totally from test tube to slave assignments in a group context--heavily conditioned with behavior mod, chemical and other sophisticated propagandizing and wave form conditioning techniques. They only want literally slave cogs for their great machine.
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Thankfully, even were God not to intervene, He has placed within man a yearning to be free that I do not think any amount of conditioning could totally remove. Sooner or later the great machine would grind to a halt--whether it took 10 years or 50 or 100 years.
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Thankfully, God will crash it a lot sooner.
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Sadly, now with the Vatican more and more openly siding with the fallen angels doing satan's bidding . . . the outrageousness is set to be kicked up yet another several notches.

Until later.

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reply to post by BO XIAN


The link you are posting doesn't work.

While I won't even bother trying to touch the religious stuff there, I will say that Crowley never sacrificed anyone. That was just his euphemism for masturbation.

This is exactly what John Dewey, the secular humanist father of modern education, believed, that the children belong to the State and exist for the State, and the State has the right to seize all power and control from the parents. This is definitely the mindset of Progressives and other Statists. This is what Hillary meant when she wrote, "It Takes A Village". These people believe they have more right to determine how a child grows up than his own parents, and these Elites feel they have a right to speak for the entire collective. Of course they are also the programmers and gatekeepers of the UN One World Govt and UN Agenda 21.

The Common Core educational program being put in place by the current admin is proof that they feel they have a right to run things and that parents have no right to even know what their children are being taught. This is diabolical stuff.

I am just amazed at how many people on this site buy into the collective philosophy. How sad.

reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy

Let me explain: your child, as you did, and all children do, undergoes socialization. Community is the foundation for socialization. Your child is a product of his or her community/culture.

The child is also a product of his parents influence. The Elites know this, and have been using values clarification for decades to strip the children of their parent's values and replace them with the values the State desires. Mostly it's Progressive agendas being pushed. But in general it is globalism and the global community.

reply to post by Morgenstern89


Can you explain further? Instead of murdering little boys.....?

Haha. All the tinfoil hats misquoting this lady. She said kids belong to communities... Not "the state"...


Delusions are difficult :-)

reply to post by Spiramirabilis

Is your kid property - or a member of the community?

Parents are and always have been the natural guardian of the child. The State wants control because that is what the State does. The State, however, does not have a directly personal interest in the child's welfare as the parent does by nature, and thus those who believe they know what is best may not indeed know what is best. But there are always individuals in control of the collective, and therefore what gives that person who made up those rules the right over parents? It is an insidious and pathological thinking that has produced this Statist ideology.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


He didn't abuse children, if that's what you are asking. Sacrifice was just his euphemism for pleasuring himself.

reply to post by Morgenstern89

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Hmmm . . . maybe this will work:
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twoday.net...
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Re Crowley . . . that assertion strikes me as more than a little absurd.
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I don't know that I have many words to respond with to the idea that Crowly was a benign jerk-off.
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Sigh.