MSNBC Host: Your Kids Belong to the Collective

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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I have a feeling that USSR was not even communist, more like state capitalism of using the proxy clause as an excuse for the elite to milk the workers for every last penny and be "god" rulling over them.

The USSR was, and is "starting" to go once more in the path of communism. "State capitalism" is another word for socialism where the "STATE" owns and controls the means of production...

State capitalism is usually described as an economic system in which commercial (i.e: for-profit) economic activity is undertaken by the state, with management and organization of the means of production in a capitalist manner - maintaining the conditions of wage labor arising from centralized ownership,(1) even if the state is nominally socialist.[2] State capitalism is characterized by the dominance of state-owned business enterprises in the economy. Examples of state capitalism include corporatized government agencies (agencies organized along corporate and business management practices) and states that own controlling shares of publicly listed corporations, effectively acting as a large shareholder or a capitalist.
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en.wikipedia.org...

Under socialism/communism the STATE owns the means of production, despite claims from socialists and communists of the contrary. Just the fact that it states that "state capitalism is CENTRALIZED OWNERSHIP" shows the truth about what state capitalism really is...

It is the same way how leftwingers have changed the meaning of the word "progress" and how the "progressive movement" is in fact another façade for socialism/communism. It is the same goal of socialism/communism but under other names to try to fool people.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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Sure the nazis were evil as well but in different ways. They were too racist and too much into imperialism. I like national socialism to an extent but not nazism. What we have today is international capitalism where the World Bank and Bilderbergers exploit and coerce with ponerology. International capitalism has killed many millions via proxy wars in an unspoken or downplayed manner, so we are supposed to believe capitalism is good and socialism is bad. The brainwashing has been very effective thus far!

I am not sure whether you are more socialist or communist, but the fact is that communism, and many forms of socialism are/were "imperialist" despite them claiming they were/are against it...

Imperialism

Imperialism, as defined by the People of Human Geography, is "the creation and/or maintenance of a country's power and influence through military force."
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en.wikipedia.org...

In truth I don't like to quote from Wikipedia because of it's own leftwing bias, but because I know that leftwingers will not be able to claim that "Wikipedia has a rightwing bias" is the only reason I sometimes quote from it.

Anyway, under forms of socialism like Hitler's fascism, Mussolini's fascism, and for example Chavez's socialism, power was/is excerpted through military force. Even under communism the "dictatorship of the proletariat" is FORCED through violent revolt, and by turning the military and the police against the people, as well as neighbor nations to control them.

People nowadays seem to forget that for example China has been VERY imperialistic, they forced their way to Vietnam, before the U.S.A. tried to stop the spread of communism there...

China FORCED their way into Tibet, and to this day really control it to the point that people are being systematically murdered by the Chinese military to this day for even trying to leave the communist regime that has taken control there since 1950.

Then there is the fact that they want to do the same to Taiwan.

The USSR, as well as Cuba have been MORE imperialistic than the United States has ever been. A little fact most of you don't know is that to this day Cuba sends military personnel, and not only "doctors" to countries to spread communism. I have two uncles who were sent to places like Angola "for the glorious spread of communism", and they were forced to participate in military attacks against "anyone" who dared not want the spread of socialism/communism to their nations.

Other socialists like Chavez have been known to have provided military equipment, money, and training to socialist/communist movements like the FARC (The Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) to help spread "socialism/communism" to other nations as well.

Despite the claims from many socialists and communists that they are "anti-capitalists", in fact if they support a "violent revolt", even when they claim it is headed by "the people", it is in fact headed by the STATE, and it is IMPERIALISM...

Originally posted by wildtimes
Krakatoa, you are mistaken. Look up 'socialism', learn all of its various forms, and compare it to 'communism.'

They are different philosophies, and no amount of insulting me is going to change that.

They are different really? Then why do you need to have socialism in order to get the final communist goal if they are so different?...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

They are different really? Then why do you need to have socialism in order to get the final communist goal if they are so different?...

I will not go any further than right now to reply to you. You have already displayed your rage against what you see as 'the machine.'

I know you said you grew up in Cuba...
I got your points then, and I get them now, still.

Your thinking is warped, and I'm sorry about that. Pure, real 'socialism' is a FAR CRY from communism, and I am not interested in going toe to toe with you to point that out. Because I know you won't - and don't - listen.

Your rage will kill you....and there's not a damned thing I can do to help you get past it except point out to you how mistaken you are.

Lets not forget what the "collective" means these days anyway. Its really not about the community.

It should read...."your kids belong to the Borg and they will be assimilated".

reply to post by Logarock


That is absurd. And sounds like you listen to Limbaugh and Beck and watch Fox News too often.

reply to post by wildtimes


What it is is that they have you believing when they talk "community" is that they mean Ma and Pa Kettle down at the general store watching out for the good folk. That the kids are all out milking the cows together ect.

This is not what they mean.

reply to post by Logarock

What it is is that they have you believing when they talk "community" is that they mean Ma and Pa Kettle down at the general store watching out for the good folk.

Because that is EXACTLY what it means! The kids come home from school, and their parents aren't around to supervise, so the other adults in the neighborhood keep an eye out for them.

You've never heard of "Neighborhood Watch Associations"?
Really?

I'm very active in watching what goes on in my neighborhood. If I see a problem, I talk to the parents.....if the ruckus continues, well, I'll call the cops.

I don't know where you live, but in my world, the kids who are unsupervised when they get home on the schoolbus need to be looked after when their parents aren't home.
What is so hard about that to understand???

reply to post by wildtimes


Yea but thats not what they mean. Thats why they play on these emotive words. Like its all just about Little House On the Prairie or Leave it to Beaver.

What they want is to pass out condoms to Jr High kids, teach them about Adam and Steve ect. Thats not looking out for my kids thank you very much.

reply to post by Logarock

What they want is to pass out condoms to Jr High kids, teach them about Adam and Steve ect. Thats not looking out for my kids thank you very much.

What?

Who are 'they', please?

You are really listening to/watching too much Fox News propaganda.
What's wrong with condoms or teaching kids about safe sex?
What's wrong with acknowledging that there are different lifestyles than yours in the world?

Kids need to have 'cultural competence', and if you think for one moment that they are not 'interested' in sex in Jr. High, then you really are not keeping up with 'child development' research!
You can shelter and lecture them all you want, but kids are kids, and you cannot stop their hormones.

reply to post by wildtimes
Fox? You listen a good deal do you? I watch those other loser shows, they are so much more entertaining. But I do like the Fox Chicks. Like poetry in motion.

Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by wildtimes

 

Fox? You listen a good deal do you? I watch those other loser shows, they are so much more entertaining. But I do like the Fox Chicks. Like poetry in motion.

No, I don't. I just don't get how you have the bizarre paranoid attitude that you do unless you are a follower of theirs.

What 'other loser shows'?

The only thing Fox has to offer that's worth anything is 'Bob's Burgers' and 'Family Guy.'

Okay, I'm done with talking to you....seeing as how it's impossible.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Logarock

 

What they want is to pass out condoms to Jr High kids, teach them about Adam and Steve ect. Thats not looking out for my kids thank you very much.

What?

Who are 'they', please?

You are really listening to/watching too much Fox News propaganda.
What's wrong with condoms or teaching kids about safe sex?
What's wrong with acknowledging that there are different lifestyles than yours in the world?

Kids need to have 'cultural competence', and if you think for one moment that they are not 'interested' in sex in Jr. High, then you really are not keeping up with 'child development' research!
You can shelter and lecture them all you want, but kids are kids, and you cannot stop their hormones.

Not a fundy here. Not born yesterday. I am saying that its not the "communites" place as in school is the church of "cultural competence". All this stuff...let them work it out in the real world and not have the offical state position shoved cramed into their little heads on my dime. Apparently they cant teach much else. State and fed school boards are messed up.....they have become tools.

Originally posted by wildtimes

Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by wildtimes

 

Fox? You listen a good deal do you? I watch those other loser shows, they are so much more entertaining. But I do like the Fox Chicks. Like poetry in motion.

No, I don't. I just don't get how you have the bizarre paranoid attitude that you do unless you are a follower of theirs.

Listen to you. You gulp it all down like a fish. You sound like the follower of the pied piper of tommy rott.

reply to post by Logarock


You have no idea what you're talking about, and even less of an idea about who I am and what my history is!
I'm done with you.

But I do like your avatar!

reply to post by wildtimes


Come on! You can do better than the old "you dont know what you are talking about"!

reply to post by Logarock


What do you want from me?
To say that this country is going 'communist' and 'fascist'? That people are trying to take away all your rights? Your money, your guns, your children?

All of it is nonsense. No one is doing that.

Originally posted by wildtimes
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Your thinking is warped, and I'm sorry about that. Pure, real 'socialism' is a FAR CRY from communism, and I am not interested in going toe to toe with you to point that out. Because I know you won't - and don't - listen.

Your rage will kill you....and there's not a damned thing I can do to help you get past it except point out to you how mistaken you are.

My thinking, and my experience are right on the spot. History shows that YOU, and people like you are the ones that are wrong and will continue to be wrong as you continue to embrace the same doctrines that have spawned the worst dictatorships this planet has ever known...

Unlike people like you, I know more than just the few recited socialist claims that still to this day are being thrown around as if they were true after history and experience has shown them to be nothing more than lies.

Keep believing the lies, perhaps you should believe that Santa Claus exists and brings you gifts if you are good, and the tooth fairy will bring you money if you put your fallen teeth under your pillow...

Go ahead and keep believing the lies and fairy tales, I will try to continue to show the truth...

You remind me of the person who thinks that tripping on the same stone is not going to hurt or make him falter and probably fall, despite experience having shown him the contrary... So you keep on going and keep tripping on the same stone as many times as you want and learn nothing from it...

Originally posted by wildtimes

What do you want from me?
To say that this country is going 'communist' and 'fascist'? That people are trying to take away all your rights? Your money, your guns, your children?

All of it is nonsense. No one is doing that.

Are you living under a rock?... Democrats have been trying to pass bills for gun control that further restrict and ban our second amendment right, not to mention that ALREADY there are cities where guns are banned, or heavily restricted, despite people like you claiming "they are not trying to do that"...

Not to mention bills like H.R. 1444 in which Democrats clearly state they want to find a way to FORCE "community service"...

Not to mention Obamacare, which also FORCES Americans to pay premiums for abortion of women who want to have them despite millions of Americans being against abortion because to millions of us it is the murder of innocent human lives.

But of course as long as it is "for the good of the collective" who cares about individual rights huh?...

The fact that you are so ignorant to the truth, and want to keep on claiming "they are not trying to do any of that" despite the facts showing the contrary only shows your failure at admitting the facts and the truth, and your willingness to be a blind sheep who needs big government to take care of you all the time...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Wow, you're still at it.
I have no interest in discussing anything at all with you.

Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by wildtimes

 

What it is is that they have you believing when they talk "community" is that they mean Ma and Pa Kettle down at the general store watching out for the good folk. That the kids are all out milking the cows together ect.

This is not what they mean.

What do they mean?

Don't be so vague

:-)

edit to add: I would love to hear you flesh out that statement a little - or a lot actually. What is it they're teaching in the schools - exactly - that's so dangerous?